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Shimrra Jamaane posted:When it looked like the film would be good. Even knowing what I know now, the first 30 seconds or so of that trailer still get me excited for Episode I. An Episode I that never came... 
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Whenever I think of Phantom Menace, I think of the Rifftrax bit where one of the guys says something like, "You know there was some guy who camped out for this thing for days and days in his Stormtrooper costume. And he's just sitting there in the theatre watching it, thinking 'Okay, well, maybe the next scene won't eat as much as this one.' But it does. Each scene EATS more and more than the ones before it." That's how I'm going to feel during the 3D re-release in February.
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Oct 15, 2011 21:44
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:When it looked like the film would be good. You know, watching that trailer, I STILL get the little stir of excitement that the original trilogy gives me. Yeah, ok, there's a bit of comedy Jar-Jar in there, but the rest looks pretty awesome. How the hell did it end up so poo poo? Also, puppet Yoda is still better than CGI Yoda.
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Oct 15, 2011 22:06
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Salsa McManus posted:Has anyone seen/heard of The People vs George Lucas? I looked it up after seeing the shitstorm on Twitch about it. Apparently it is a documentary on George being a jackass, and fans being bitter? I watched it last night. (It's on pay per view and probably due for a DVD release shortly.) Well-produced, but not overly insightful. Lots of blame toward Lucas, with heavy emphasis on how fans take such incredible ownership of his property (fan films/fan edits) that it really resonates when he does something perceived to be detrimental. Interviews with lots of people taking this poo poo waaaaaay too seriously. He's ultimately given credit for being fan-friendly in the sense he doesn't sue the Bejeezus out of everyone messing with his copyrighted material. Worth a Redbox rental, not the $6.99 I paid Time-Warner.
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Oct 15, 2011 23:34
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As an artist, I think it's only proper that an artist be allowed to edit their work however they see fit, no matter how long it is before they go back and edit it. I even support destroying one's own artwork every once in a while. The audience may not like it but it's the artist's prerogative. But the problem here is that Lucas still views his work as art. Most films, created with artistic intent as they may be, are product, not art. Especially Star loving Wars.
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Oct 16, 2011 01:22
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I've always understood that the issue was not Lucas changing the movies, but only giving us one choice for new versions of it. You can't buy the original theatrical releases on blu-ray, etc. and Lucas has no intention of releasing them anytime soon.
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Oct 16, 2011 01:59
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Flavor Bear posted:As an artist, I think it's only proper that an artist be allowed to edit their work however they see fit, no matter how long it is before they go back and edit it. 1. It's not "his" work. The credits have a lot more names than George Lucas, and more people worked on Star Wars than are even in the credits. 2. Artists can and do chose to alter or destroy their original works. It's a whole 'nother ballgame to systematically suppress copies of the original. 3. "People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians, and if the laws of the United States continue to condone this behavior, history will surely classify us as a barbaric society."
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Oct 16, 2011 03:08
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The other night while sick I had a fever dream in which I completely re-imagined the prequel trilogy. I have to write it down somewhere just in case I ever get the chance to produce my own space operas. Palpatine wasn't a puppetmaster supervillain, he was a heroic general along the lines of Caesar or Napoleon, a Thrawn-like genius, commander-in-chief of republican forces during the Clone Wars. In order to triumph he resorts to terrible atrocities, of which the senate approves, but which gradually twist his spirit. The Jedi Order wasn't a thriving corps of thousands of magical space warriors, but insular, monastic, detached from galactic affairs, even impotent. Obi-wan and Anakin are high-spirited young men who choose to defy the Order to fight in defense of the Republic. Anakin becomes Palpatine's devoted lieutenant, while General Kenobi begins to have his doubts as the war becomes more ruthless in its final stages. As the conflict is concluded the Jedi Council attempts to move against Palpatine for his crimes. Anakin and Obi-wan have their showdown, and almost in self-defense Palpatine takes brutal steps to consolidate his power, including annihilating the Jedi Order, pushing him beyond hope of redemption. Anakin-Vader is broken and embittered, but retains a sliver of his humanity -- for him, it was always about ending the destructive conflict, by any means necessary. I know it's terribly indulgent to post this here, but when I recovered I was really pleased that in a state of delirium my brain could come up with a classically tragic narrative that would have fit what we know from the OT perfectly. So much wasted potential with the PT.
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Oct 16, 2011 04:56
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Speaking of tragic things, I just finished the Stover novelization of RotS, and add me to the list of people impressed by it. It doesn't completely save or redeem the movie, but it does a good job trying, and one of the big things it did, which stood out for me, was that it was written to be a tragedy. Since it pretty much is supposed to be that--it's the darkest hour for Anakin Skywalker--I thought this was a very good adjustment.
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Oct 16, 2011 05:28
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So in the Battle of Yavin Luke is Red 5 and Wedge is Red 2. So after Red Leader smears himself on the Death Star surface and Luke starts barking out orders, shouldn't Wedge have been all "gently caress off farmboy, I'm runnin' this bitch now"? Also, the lenses in the Vader mask in ANH must have been thinner or a different color because you can see Prowse's eyes and eyebrows in several scenes. 
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Oct 16, 2011 05:31
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Big Mean Jerk posted:So in the Battle of Yavin Luke is Red 5 and Wedge is Red 2. So after Red Leader smears himself on the Death Star surface and Luke starts barking out orders, shouldn't Wedge have been all "gently caress off farmboy, I'm runnin' this bitch now"? Even if the numbers beyond "Red Leader" were just for ID, Luke was the FNG in the squadron anyway. Makes me want to see Operation Flashpoint sounds pasted over scenes from ANH. Wedge: "Oh no, ONE is down! This is TWO, taking command."
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Oct 16, 2011 06:14
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Arschlochkind posted:Even if the numbers beyond "Red Leader" were just for ID, Luke was the FNG in the squadron anyway. Makes me want to see Operation Flashpoint sounds pasted over scenes from ANH. I always liked the lack of defined military chain of command in situations like this. It made the Rebels seem more "realistic" in the sense that they weren't as organised as the Empire. I always imagined the atmosphere up there was one of confusion... none of the pilots were THAT experienced, they're kids, farmers, volunteers. Their leader just got taken out, they're flustered, distracted, trying to shake off turbolaser battery fire and TIE fighters. It would probably come as a relief to hear someone come over the radio and take charge.
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Oct 16, 2011 06:21
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Can you imagine the reaction in the command center? "Luke you're switched off your targeting computer and taken command of our last squadron even though you have zero combat experience and you are all that's separating the entire Rebellion from destruction. Everything ok?" "Oh yeah, everything's fine. I'm using the force."  "  "
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Oct 16, 2011 06:29
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Can you imagine the reaction in the command center? And then a civilian pilot decides to fly his cargo ship into the middle of a military operation. I like to imagine it as a present day operation in iraq, and some redneck piloting his cargo plane with some machine guns taped to the wings turning up.. "yeeehaww guys! thought you could use a hand" NtotheTC fucked around with this message at 06:46 on Oct 16, 2011 |
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Oct 16, 2011 06:43
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The only difference would be that the Rebels would've logically been the insurgents in that situation 
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Oct 16, 2011 06:51
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Nessus posted:The only difference would be that the Rebels would've logically been the insurgents in that situation Message received, the Force = Islam.
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Oct 16, 2011 06:53
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Jack of Hearts posted:The other night while sick I had a fever dream in which I completely re-imagined the prequel trilogy. I have to write it down somewhere just in case I ever get the chance to produce my own space operas. Palpatine would have to be an evil force user either way though. (It was already established in RoTJ and other places) If you can work that in then you made a great story.
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Oct 16, 2011 06:59
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NtotheTC posted:Message received, the Force = Islam. Finally, someone understands the truth.
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Oct 16, 2011 07:21
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Mister Roboto posted:Finally, someone understands the truth. By order of Emperor Palpatine, PBUH
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Oct 16, 2011 16:25
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Can you imagine the reaction in the command center? Luke was told drectly by his CO "Luke, take red 2 and 3. Hold up here wait for my signal and start your run" Then after red leader is shot down he states "Hey there, i just lost my starboard engine, get set up for your attack run" Luke takes his shot, hits it, flys away.. What movie were you watching where he took command? 
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Oct 17, 2011 12:50
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I think I remember a discussion about fan-edits before but is there a synopsis for the types of edits in each one? I remember some people talking about guys who would just put it in its original theatrical form and other people who would tweak and make their own Lucas additions. I feel like sifting through them would result in different degrees of assburgers thrown in.
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Oct 17, 2011 17:42
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Chupe Raho Aurat posted:Then after red leader is shot down he states "Hey there, i just lost my starboard engine, get set up for your attack run" I always thought it was "stay there," not "hey there." As in, "I'm about to die anyway, stay up there and don't get killed trying to rescue me." Does somebody have the script or closed-captions handy?
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Oct 17, 2011 18:14
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Powered Descent posted:I always thought it was "stay there," not "hey there." As in, "I'm about to die anyway, stay up there and don't get killed trying to rescue me." Does somebody have the script or closed-captions handy? It's definitely, "Stay there,".
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Oct 17, 2011 18:16
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I need help identifying a tune that popped into my head. I THINK it's from OT Star Wars. Here I am playing it on the worst keyboard they ever made: http://tinyurl.com/6h3f5an I'm sure somewhere between my distant memory and working out how to actually play it, it will have ended up a bit wrong, but if it's from Star Wars then I'm sure someone here will at least recognise what it was before I got it wrong. The bit I most think is right is what happens immediately after the first two rising notes, really.
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Oct 17, 2011 18:52
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Buml0r posted:I'm sure somewhere between my distant memory and working out how to actually play it, it will have ended up a bit wrong, but if it's from Star Wars then I'm sure someone here will at least recognise what it was before I got it wrong. The bit I most think is right is what happens immediately after the first two rising notes, really. I'm not 100% positive, but I think it's probably Luke and Leia.
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Oct 17, 2011 18:58
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Buml0r posted:I need help identifying a tune that popped into my head. I THINK it's from OT Star Wars.
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Oct 17, 2011 19:01
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Buml0r posted:I need help identifying a tune that popped into my head. I THINK it's from OT Star Wars. It may just be the MIDI-ish way the keyboard sounds, but that tune is giving me serious flashbacks to Wing Commander. Particularly your last two notes.
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Oct 17, 2011 19:24
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Chupe Raho Aurat posted:Luke was told drectly by his CO "Luke, take red 2 and 3. Hold up here wait for my signal and start your run"
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Oct 17, 2011 22:48
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Payndz posted:I think that's where Luke responds by nodding. Yeah, I'm sure the guy in another spaceship a mile or so away will pick that up. Wookieepedia probably has an explanation for that too.
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Oct 17, 2011 23:03
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Zat posted:Wookieepedia probably has an explanation for that too. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Z95-Head-Knod-Transmission quote:One of the features of the Z-95 Headhunter was the ability for a pilot otherwise engaged in combat to signal his squadmates through head movements. The followup starfighter, the X-wing in use by the Rebel Alliance and later the New Republic kept this behavior as evidenced by Luke during the Battle of Yavin. [2]
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Oct 17, 2011 23:10
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LLJKSiLk posted:http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Z95-Head-Knod-Transmission Go to hell
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Oct 17, 2011 23:11
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LLJKSiLk posted:http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Z95-Head-Knod-Transmission Thank christ you were joking. Then again, this is the wikia that has articles on windows, toilets, loving tap faucets, and sinks (sinks of course being confirmed in the ROTS commentary). 86,536 wikia pages. Good. loving. God.
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Flagrant Abuse posted:Here you go. Starting at about 2:28. Thaaat's it, of course it is. I thought it was one of the end titles, but I couldn't find it for some reason. Thanks!  Edit - does that same melody show up elsewhere in the film, or is it just in the end titles?
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Oct 18, 2011 00:57
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Buml0r posted:Thaaat's it, of course it is. I thought it was one of the end titles, but I couldn't find it for some reason. Thanks!
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Oct 18, 2011 01:01
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Hazo posted:It's the musical cue played when Yoda is lifting the X-Wing out of the swamp. More generally, it's Yoda's Theme.
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Oct 18, 2011 01:07
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Fox of Stone posted:I think I remember a discussion about fan-edits before but is there a synopsis for the types of edits in each one? I remember some people talking about guys who would just put it in its original theatrical form and other people who would tweak and make their own Lucas additions. Off the top of my head, here's three popular youtube ones: Phantom edit: Possibly the earliest one, basically just cuts most of Jar Jar and Anakin. No real changes. Magnoliafan: Editor who REALLY likes details. Changes Jar Jar and all the alien dialogue to a different language so they have darker dialogue in subtitles instead. Likes making in-jokes for fans with edits, like changing Dooku's saber yellow. Not the best writer, but at least tries. Also has a weird sense of humor. http://www.youtube.com/user/magnoliafan78#p/u/0/uq5nxaUebIA Adywan: Editor big on Special effects, likes fixing errors, like the wrong laser color and such. Very big on "comparison" edits. Has some good talent when it comes to adding more effects, I must say. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6ldJJanD4c Mister Roboto fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Oct 18, 2011 |
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LLJKSiLk posted:http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Z95-Head-Knod-Transmission You know, that's how hosed up Star Wars is now. I assumed you were telling the truth, and that the article really was there, until I saw Pesky Splinter's post saying you were joking. This is what Star Wars EU has done to me.
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Oct 18, 2011 14:21
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Payndz posted:I think that's where Luke responds by nodding. Yeah, I'm sure the guy in another spaceship a mile or so away will pick that up. To be fair, I find myself absentmindedly nodding or waving goodbye on the phone sometimes. But I can be a bit of a dumbass.
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Oct 18, 2011 14:23
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NGL posted:To be fair, I find myself absentmindedly nodding or waving goodbye on the phone sometimes. But I can be a bit of a dumbass. No that's human actually. Psychologists have demonstrated that humans are so used to making gestures in conversation they do it on the phone (you likely do it more than you realize). The odd part is that Luke just nods, doesn't give an audio confirmation.
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RagnarokAngel posted:No that's human actually. Psychologists have demonstrated that humans are so used to making gestures in conversation they do it on the phone (you likely do it more than you realize). Don't they have like video communication too?
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