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I'm wondering whether or not we might see a heel turn here. We've not yet seen a Linear Guild cleric, and he would certainly fit the bill. Admittedly, it would take some plot-contrivance.
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Nosy_G posted:I'm wondering whether or not we might see a heel turn here. We've not yet seen a Linear Guild cleric, and he would certainly fit the bill. Admittedly, it would take some plot-contrivance. I think you've forgotten about the Linear Guild cleric, the female dwarf that worshipped Loki and fell in love with Durkon.
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Oct 17, 2011 22:53
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MikeJF posted:He's also one of Tarquin's cohorts with the whole rotating empires power-behind-the-thrones scam, so I suspect he's a pretty drat high level. Nale's in so much trouble.
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CapnAndy posted:There's also the rather minor detail that in Tarquin's eyes, this is about to go from "that gladiator and Thog just had a really cool fight and, oddly, two elves had a wizard's duel for no good reason" to "Nale is attacking".
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Oct 18, 2011 04:19
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Oh man oh man oh boy oh man (I am excited) Also can a high level cleric banish an outsider like Sabine?
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Oct 18, 2011 05:35
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I am SO lovin' this comic. 
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Oct 18, 2011 06:56
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QueerPope posted:I think you've forgotten about the Linear Guild cleric, the female dwarf that worshipped Loki and fell in love with Durkon. Yeah, but she's old news. In their second attack, they got a gnome druid to fill her role. But he got taken out too, so there should be another replacement somewhere. Other linerar guilders got replaced as well, remember?
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Oct 18, 2011 12:55
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XkyRauh posted:We haven't seen Nale & his father banter yet, either, and I'm looking forward to that! VanSandman posted:Also can a high level cleric banish an outsider like Sabine?
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Oct 18, 2011 15:02
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Cliff Racer posted:Well, Miko beat the entire team that one time and two or three pretty convincing rear end-kickings took place in Start of Darkness. DM Railroading doesn't count.
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Oct 18, 2011 16:47
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CapnAndy posted:There's also the rather minor detail that in Tarquin's eyes, this is about to go from "that gladiator and Thog just had a really cool fight and, oddly, two elves had a wizard's duel for no good reason" to "Nale is attacking". Tarquin already knows who Thog is. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0725.html He knows every single one of the original linear guild members and is trope savvy enough to know exactly what is going on.
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Oct 18, 2011 22:14
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quote:Destruction I'm sort of hoping for this.
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Oct 18, 2011 22:48
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wdarkk posted:I'm sort of hoping for this. We've already seen Destruction cast in the flashy Cleric battle.
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Oct 20, 2011 03:02
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I bet their base is out in the desert, where Roy and co. were searching earlier. Remember that eye?
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Oct 20, 2011 03:16
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Watching Nale get his poo poo ruined in a single round is awesome. Also, you have to wonder what the hell Nale's build actually is, considering he has at least eight levels in sorceror.
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Oct 20, 2011 03:31
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inthesto posted:Also, you have to wonder what the hell Nale's build actually is, considering he has at least eight levels in sorceror. The joke, of course, is that he's a Bard, just needlessly complex.
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Oct 20, 2011 04:21
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So Malack's 11th level, at the absolute minimum. Probably more if Nale immediately ditched despite Durkon being level drained to hell and back.
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Oct 20, 2011 04:53
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CapnAndy posted:The joke, of course, is that he's a Bard, just needlessly complex. I never actually got that. Then again, I never actually played D&D, so. 
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Oct 20, 2011 04:53
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Nale has a lot of HP for a terrible, terrible build.
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Oct 20, 2011 05:20
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Harm can't kill, it can only reduce Nale to 1 HP--which is why captain IsALizard followed up with a quickened cause wounds. Pity he flubbed the touch attack roll, otherwise this would have been a very sure kill. The old character optimization board advice for optimizing a character without putting a lot of work in was, "Play a Cleric or Druid. Call yourself CoDzilla. Stomp around the city, breathing radioactive fire at terrified Japanese tourists."
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Oct 20, 2011 05:24
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3.5 Harm does 10 damage per caster level. Assuming the minimum level to cast harm that's 110 damage. Maybe Nale made his will save? He has a lot of sorcerer levels.
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Oct 20, 2011 05:28
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EDIT: Bugger, misread something. NEVER MIND.
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Oct 20, 2011 05:40
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"How's the family?" Wow that was ice loving cold!
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Oct 20, 2011 07:34
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Affi posted:"How's the family?" Instantly in love with today's strip from the very get-go.
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Oct 20, 2011 07:37
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Were there not any other spells that could have inflicted a 1 round kill or was harm likely the most powerful spell he had?
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Oct 20, 2011 07:44
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Apocron posted:Were there not any other spells that could have inflicted a 1 round kill or was harm likely the most powerful spell he had? It's probably up there with them. It's a really nasty combination with quickened inflict wound.
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Oct 20, 2011 07:45
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Most of the save-or-die cleric spells do rather pitiful damage if the save is made. Harm will at least do half with the save. It's actually quite likely that Nale made the save and his build's HP was just barely enough to survive 5/level damage.
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Oct 20, 2011 07:59
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CapnAndy posted:Fighter/Rogue/Sorceror. And incredibly ineffective. Never under any circumstances stack things with caster levels with things that do not grant caster levels, unless the thing that does not grant caster levels is an absurdly powerful PrC that only loses one or two caster levels. Also, we got a call-back to that strip when Tarquin was introduced. He really did avoid telling them in order to increase the dramatic tension.
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Oct 20, 2011 08:03
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I was kinda hoping for more divine carnage. Where's the sonic-based damage spells? Where's Hold Person?
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Vorgen posted:I was kinda hoping for more divine carnage. Where's the sonic-based damage spells? Where's Hold Person? Hold Person is a will save, which would be dumb vs Elan, and what for sonic based? Sound Burst? 1d8 damage? Leading off with Harm and finishing off with quickened inflict moderate (both are touch attacks) seems far better. Just sucks that he missed on the second one somehow. Stupid natural 1s/dex bonuses.
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terminal mehmet posted:Stupid natural 1s/dex bonuses. Stupid deux ex machina... Malack makes me want to roll an evil cleric so bad.
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Gay Polymers posted:Stupid deux ex machina... Didn't he claim to be a neutral cleric? Or, at least, cleric to a non-evil Death god? edit: He pointed out that Death-gods and their clerics can be neutral, but didn't specifically say he or his god were of that type, technically. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0737.html Bobulus fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Oct 20, 2011 |
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Personally, I'm still waiting for Durkon's Masked Debt Gourd to show up. Where is it???
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Bobulus posted:Didn't he claim to be a neutral cleric? I actually did play a True Neutral cleric that worshipped the Raven Queen for awhile, one of my favorite characters. I informed all of my comrades that they'd best have a very good reason to get resurrected if they should die, because I sure as hell wasn't going to endorse taking a soul back from my deity.
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terminal mehmet posted:Hold Person is a will save, which would be dumb vs Elan, and what for sonic based? Sound Burst? 1d8 damage? Leading off with Harm and finishing off with quickened inflict moderate (both are touch attacks) seems far better. Just sucks that he missed on the second one somehow. Stupid natural 1s/dex bonuses. Slay Living or Destruction would have easily ruined Nale's poo poo, since most of his levels are apparently in sorceror. Additionally, targeting will doesn't seem like too bad of an idea given that Harm worked, and since Nale is a multiclass to fighter and rogue, his will save is probably doo doo in comparison to real casters.
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inthesto posted:Slay Living or Destruction would have easily ruined Nale's poo poo, since most of his levels are apparently in sorceror. Additionally, targeting will doesn't seem like too bad of an idea given that Harm worked, and since Nale is a multiclass to fighter and rogue, his will save is probably doo doo in comparison to real casters. Harm still has the highest damage output for all of those in the event of a saving throw being made. If he had failed his saving throw, he's be pretty screwed for any of those spells. edited more than once for maths: Slay Living (Fort save, level 5 spell): death on fail. 3d6+1 per level on save. Assuming level 15, 33 damage max, 25.5 average. Harm (Will save, level 6 spell): 10 per level, 15 levels = 150 max damage. Half damage on save = 75. Destruction (Fort save, level 7 spell): death on fail. 10d6 on save = max of 60, 35 on average. So, yeah, harm. rocketrobot fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Oct 20, 2011 |
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 Harm is 10 damage per level, minimum of 110 for an 11th level caster who just got the spell, maximum 150, save for half. If he's capable of casting Destruction (a 7th level spell, thus requires a caster level of at least 13) then that's at least 130 points of damage, which could have easily wrecked Nale's poo poo, while saving for half leaves him as he is now. He might not have had any 7th level spell slots, since it was a quickened inflict moderate wounds spell (a 6th level spell assuming normal metamagic). It also depends on what he prepared that day, since he probably wasn't planning on facing many threats that can't be sorted with negative energy.Really though, we've reached the point in 3.5e where everything is heavily tilted in the caster's favor, and it becomes a matter of finding the right save-or-die. For instance, if you wanted to completely ruin Nale's life in one of the most poetic ways, simply throw this spell at him.
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LightWarden posted:
You're right. what the hell was I looking at? ugh 3.5 hurts my brain.
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Now I'm wondering if Malack's special diet is sinister: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0743.html
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Maybe Nale is using the Stalwart Sorcerer variant. It would net him two bonus HP a level and the weapon focus of his choice in exchange for his familiar, which we've never seen. If they're doing 75% of your HD as HP a level, that would result in his Sorcerer levels netting him more HP a level than Elan's Bard levels (3+2=5 vs. 4.5).
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