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Mister Roboto posted:I think that's more to do with the extremely simplistic white/black good/evil that Star Wars is all about. quote:Pretty much Christianity's basic tenets right there. Again, not trying to bash religion, but it really is just that: X is good, Y is bad, no shades of grey. These things aren't particular to Star Wars and Christianity, they're archetypal. They appear in many, many, many stories created by people modern and ancient, because for the most part that is just how we like stories to be. If you wanted to make a case for appealing to a religion based on a clear duality and separation between the forces of good and forces of evil, you'd have more backing to say it would appeal to Zoroastrianism.
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ZeeToo posted:Nope, most of the Death Star got sucked into a mysterious hole in hyperspace and was spread evenly across the galaxy. Going by that crazy books logic though, would mean Kessel isn't a massive Asteroid that barely can sustain an atmosphere is instead just Tatooine 2.0 though  .That and Admiral Ackbar has a hard on for Aquatic conservation.
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Why would it specifically go to Mon Calamari, one planet in a big big universe?
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SeanBeansShako posted:Going by that crazy books logic though, would mean Kessel isn't a massive Asteroid that barely can sustain an atmosphere is instead just Tatooine 2.0 though That dovetails beautifully with the presentation Ackbar got in "Jedi Academy"! And Kessel? They just had the atmosphere plants going full-tilt then! 
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Graviton v2 posted:Why would it specifically go to Mon Calamari, one planet in a big big universe? Mon Calamari, like every other character, has been everywhere and done everything in the galaxy. Except it's a planet.
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Huitzil posted:"Grievous" also means "a really really nasty wound". I wasn't making a case for Lucus deliberately appealing, nor was I saying this is unique to Star Wars. I was explaining why the demographics of Hardcore Christianity and Star Wars overlap, and that's because there's a very clear parallel in the manner of dichotomous thinking. Good and evil. These guys are good, these guys are evil. To put it another way, a show/series that was about challenging your beliefs, questioning if you're actually right and realizing that life is compromise and shades of grey, it'd probably be less popular with people who think in good/evil black/white terms.
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Mister Roboto posted:I wasn't making a case for Lucus deliberately appealing, nor was I saying this is unique to Star Wars. Explain adiaphora 
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:Explain adiaphora The real life equivalent of being a  Rogue Jedi
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Van Dis posted:Mon Calamari, like every other character, has been everywhere and done everything in the galaxy. Except it's a planet. Mon Calamari stole the death star plans?
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Oct 23, 2011 22:54
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And even though everybody thought it was that other planet that
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After reading this NPR review: Star Wars: Darth Vader: A 3-D Reconstruction Log It sounded in-line with the visual dictionary books although without checking it out first, I wasn't going to buy it sight-unseen from Amazon. After thumbing through it at my local B&N, I confirmed that it similar was and bought it for $20. Despite being in the children's section, a book about Vader's inner workings seems hardly the subject matter for kids younger than maybe 13 years old. It's a very quick read so some may be turned off by that and the price for 22 "pages" but I think it's really well done. Each page section has a cut out of the particular section of Vader they're discussing, like his helmet, or his skeleton. Among the highlights:
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Cheesus posted:After reading this NPR review: You might want to check out The Complete Vader, which is a general overview of the charater and his development and how his popularity rose. It also has some sweet sketches, illustrations, photos, interviews, etc, and talks alot about the intial concept of Vader (Ralph McQuarrie imagined him to be a reedy rat-faced sorta hunchback), the public reation prior to and after the release of a New Hope, and how he's become an "icon of evil" in the public mind. Even better, it talks more about the OT Vader than it does Anakin, even though they devote a section to him. If you can get it cheap (I got mine in a cheap bookstore for under Ł5  ) then it's worth a look.
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Thanks for the recommendation! I might buy it (or put on my Christmas gift list). I saw it B&N but all copies were sealed so I wasn't able to browse it.
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quote:Referencing the general cheapness on Vader's reconstruction that I believe was touched on in The Rise Of Darth Vader. This is terrible and I can't believe people are letting this float. Dude is the second most powerful being in the entire known galaxy, and is the culmination of a thousand years of Sith machination. There's no loving way Sidious was going to cheap out on Darth Vader. Alternatively, Darth Vader is the second most powerful/second richest person in the entire galaxy, and a massive tech nut down to having his own prototype TIE fighter. Do you think he would settle for second best ANYTHING in his prosthetic work? VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Oct 24, 2011 |
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arioch posted:This is terrible and I can't believe people are letting this float. He was on the verge of death. "what we can get now" outweighed "what's the highest quality" and once he was in it, taking him out for upgrades would have killed him.
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Since ROTS, Palpatine in my eyes has gone from a Machiavellian Politician and closet Sith Lord to crazy rear end in a top hat evil space wizard (Dark Empire now making more sense really) so it my view it fits perfectly. "Hey Vader, want the new iSeptic bag upgrade? tough!"
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Torael_7 posted:He was on the verge of death. "what we can get now" outweighed "what's the highest quality" and once he was in it, taking him out for upgrades would have killed him. "What we can get now" should be the loving good poo poo considering they were able to stick him in a thing and take him all the way from Mustafar back to Coruscant before they had to fit anything on him, without him dying, after he'd already been out in the open with all his bits burned off for hours. And you can't tell me they can't switch prosthetics in and out on him at will. Really, somebody poo poo out a "Darth Vader has cheap hardware" turd, smeared it on a piece of paper, some other spergelords and morons ran with it, and you're all just lapping it up. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Oct 25, 2011 |
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drat it.  YouTube posted:Dear <Kazy> They haven't gotten the baked-in 3D one yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgb3i61P9Aw
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arioch posted:"What we can get now" should be the loving good poo poo considering they were able to stick him in a thing and take him all the way from Mustafar back to Coruscant before they had to fit anything on him, without him dying, after he'd already been out in the open with all his bits burned off for hours. Yes.. the sperglord in this post is... someone else..
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arioch posted:Really, somebody poo poo out a "Darth Vader has cheap hardware" turd, smeared it on a piece of paper, some other spergelords and morons ran with it, and you're all just lapping it up. I'm also not sold on several ideas in the book. Like the idea that Vader needed a new collar bone or vertebrae due to combat injuries. Why? He was crawling up the hill before Palpatine found him (on the same arm they claimed he needed a new collarbone for). I also don't understand a) not replacing his original artificial arm and b) giving only his right hand a special "Mandalore Crushgaunt".
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Cheesus posted:Personally, I've always thought it was a dumb idea. I remember thinking "Ugh" when reading it in Stover's book, only there to produce an unneccessary bit ("Vader's a cheap clunker! Hurrr!"). It wasn't Stover's RotS novelization. In that one Sidious goes there and does his best with it because the whole point of the exercise was Darth Vader. Darth Vader was his trophy, the crowning achievement of the Sith, etc. RotS novelization posted:On the table was strapped the very first patient of the EmPal SuRecon Center. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Oct 25, 2011 |
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Chupe Raho Aurat posted:Yes.. the sperglord in this post is... someone else.. It's always the other guy.
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There are only two types of posts in this threads: Spergs and trolls.
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Well, I'm going to change that. Can anyone here help me? I need a toy lightsaber handle for a costume project. Here's the thing, though, it needs actually be instantly recognizable as a lightsaber handle for the crowds, the blade won't be extended--I'll be removing it and any other electronics inside. I may put a blue/green/red light in it just for a glow, though. Can anyone recommend a brand or toy name?
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Mister Roboto posted:Well, I'm going to change that. OH GOD!!!!!! A true SW:ANH :EW fan would know that all light sabers are different, starting with Lord Frogcus Lu who had only a day glow orange saber unless he was fighting the spergos on Tantivene 4. I cant believe the idiots running my star wars these days!! Instantly recognizable?? You are insane and should go back to your stupid Star Trek RIGHT NOW!!
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In all seriousness though just waltz into any toy store. You'll find a ton of them of varying quality from cheap knockoffs to official ones where the blades spring out and poo poo. Just look for what you want in your price range, since you're gonna cannibalize it anyway. I guess you could also buy the Force FX saber handles (not the whole thing, they sell just the handles). Those are like $35 but actual metal and incredibly well detailed.
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Mister Roboto posted:Well, I'm going to change that. I got one of these. http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/collectibles/e26d/?srp=73 Even clips to your belt.
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Darth Freddy posted:I got one of these. Bit pricy, but they look neat. Since it'll just be the handle, I'd say...Darth Maul's looks like the most instantly-recognizeable as a lightsaber?
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What was the original context of the "its like poetry it rhymes" line? I remember seeing it on a making of something or other but I cant remember what he was referring to. help me out.
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zVxTeflon posted:What was the original context of the "its like poetry it rhymes" line? I remember seeing it on a making of something or other but I cant remember what he was referring to. help me out. Lucas was talking about how Anakin blowing up the Trade Federation ship at the end of TPM and getting a medal ceremony matched up with Luke blowing up the Death Star and getting a medal in ANH.
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You know, I like to bitch and complain about the prequels as much as the next guy, but every now and again I read stuff like this and all my cynicism goes right out of the window. It's a father's story about watching Revenge of the Sith with his kids who are used to the Anakin of the Clone Wars TV show, and how they react to his fall: http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/film-nerd-2-0-revenge-of-the-sith-devastates-the-kids-as-anakin-falls-from-grace
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Mister Roboto posted:Bit pricy, but they look neat. Yeah they are kind of expensive. If you are just going for a cheapo Halloween you'll wear one night and ignore, then it may not for you. If you are a big fan and have a office or mancave type area to display it then its more worth it. Being able to install the blade also is a great plus. As for some one being able to spot it, I think any one that has seen star wars would know what Obi Wan or Darth Muals was easily. I can take pictures of Kit Fistos if you want a little more detail.
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Dave Syndrome posted:You know, I like to bitch and complain about the prequels as much as the next guy, but every now and again I read stuff like this and all my cynicism goes right out of the window. This story made me feel more genuine emotion then the entirety of the prequels.
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Dave Syndrome posted:You know, I like to bitch and complain about the prequels as much as the next guy, but every now and again I read stuff like this and all my cynicism goes right out of the window. quote:"Daddy… I just thought of something." Holy poo poo 
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Dave Syndrome posted:You know, I like to bitch and complain about the prequels as much as the next guy, but every now and again I read stuff like this and all my cynicism goes right out of the window. We better pray that Lucas never reads this. He will be seemingly vindicated in his craziness.
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I used to think a lot of things were great, now I know they suck.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:We better pray that Lucas never reads this. He will be seemingly vindicated in his craziness. Because he's on the exact emotional wavelength of an 8 year old? I fear you are correct.
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That is a really neat series of articles though. None of us here can really enjoy the experience of seeing 'the entire' saga without knowing all that's going to happen or what it leads to. It's cool to get some insight from the perspective of some very young kids who had never seen the movies before and didn't realize stuff like Anakin, a character they really like and are invested in as a hero, goes full on evil (instead of just a dick) and becomes Darth Vader. I'm excited to read his next installment covering Jedi. Based on what I've read so far his kids are going to continue flipping their poo poo when Vader throws the emperor over the balcony, and they're probably going to be happy that the Anakin they know (Hayden) is redeemed in the end as a force ghost thing.
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Beardless Riker posted:That is a really neat series of articles though. None of us here can really enjoy the experience of seeing 'the entire' saga without knowing all that's going to happen or what it leads to. It's cool to get some insight from the perspective of some very young kids who had never seen the movies before and didn't realize stuff like Anakin, a character they really like and are invested in as a hero, goes full on evil (instead of just a dick) and becomes Darth Vader. I'm excited to read his next installment covering Jedi. Based on what I've read so far his kids are going to continue flipping their poo poo when Vader throws the emperor over the balcony, and they're probably going to be happy that the Anakin they know (Hayden) is redeemed in the end as a force ghost thing. I'm glad these kids get to see Hayden smiling as a force ghost now. All the crap is worth it cause those kids are gonna flip out in the best way.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Lucas was talking about how Anakin blowing up the Trade Federation ship at the end of TPM and getting a medal ceremony matched up with Luke blowing up the Death Star and getting a medal in ANH. So luke blowing up the Death Star was essentially blind loving luck? The thing that irritates me so loving much about the PT is that all of the opportunities that were missed (like showing Anakin's powerful connection to the force or his innate ability with star fighters by having him actually kick rear end in the cockpit, as opposed to randomly slapping buttons and poo poo. If Lucas was such a loving hooplehead the PT could've been just been so loving good. That or it was R2 doing all the fuckin' work.
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