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Maxwell Lord posted:Goldberg was basically Godzilla- the spectacle was seeing him wreck poo poo. Goldberg's finest hour imo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJjDc9V1fGo&feature=related
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JR is so good at selling big moments. His reaction when Jericho was speared through the plexiglass still gives me chills.
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Oct 24, 2011 23:35
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Some Jerk posted:Goldberg's finest hour imo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJjDc9V1fGo&feature=related His selling of Nash's fury in that match is similarly spectacular. Look in Part 2. He just goes "Good GOD!" so genuinely after Nash spikes Randy with the Jackknife that you really think Nash has killed a man.
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Oct 24, 2011 23:42
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Some Jerk posted:Goldberg's finest hour imo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJjDc9V1fGo&feature=related I had never seen that before as I missed pretty much all of his WWE stuff. Goldberg was a machine.
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Oct 24, 2011 23:42
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One of Goldberg's greatest skills was *Big move* *Stare directly at hard cam* edit: gently caress that is put together so well. Who was booking? Had Paul E quit yet?
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I also never thought I'd see him pin Randy Orton, Shawn Michaels and Chris Jericho in the same match.
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The only problem I had was triple H winning which led to the retarded rematch at Unforgiven with the stips of "If Goldberg loses he leaves the WWE, title can change hands on a dq or count out." And it's like wow, really? You couldn't just have the face go over at Summerslam?
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Some Jerk posted:Goldberg's finest hour imo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJjDc9V1fGo&feature=related The commentary really sells this. It just makes WWE commentary in this day and age seem even worse. I've said it before, but I really enjoyed post-Invasion WWE from 2002-2006. There was a lot of dumb stuff, but dammit, there was a lot of really, really great stuff, too. Cardboard Box fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Oct 24, 2011 |
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LordPants posted:One of Goldberg's greatest skills was YES. That is a perfect goddamn example of the physical charisma we were talking about. It's simultaneously somehow subtle and also utterly overt. Like Goldberg is saying "Just try me motherfucker" to literally everyone watching, and dismissive of his opponent because he knows he just wrecked their poo poo.
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Some Jerk posted:Goldberg's finest hour imo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJjDc9V1fGo&feature=related That was probably the most perfect use of Goldberg I've ever seen in a match. Hell, even the ending was pretty good, if a bit standard chickenshit heel beats unstoppable face. (Flair gets HHH a sledgehammer, hits Goldberg with it during a spear, HHH pins and retains)
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Oct 25, 2011 00:01
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Actually reminds you that HHH is awesome at being a chickenshit. He has some of the best 'oh I'm hosed' faces we've ever seen. It's probably his best role and we never really see it anymore since he's fallen into the 'overconfident WWE Face' role for the past few years.
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Toffile posted:Hell, even the ending was pretty good, if a bit standard chickenshit heel beats unstoppable face. (Flair gets HHH a sledgehammer, hits Goldberg with it during a spear, HHH pins and retains) Why? What does that accomplish that makes it worth doing over "Goldberg wrecks EVERYONE and wins, because he's loving GOLDBERG and that's what he does?" That's how Goldberg got over in the first place, that's what people wanted to see, and it's one of the few things that WCW actually did better than WWE. To keep this from derailing completely into "WWE Is An Insanely Stupid, Self Destructive Company: Let's Look Back!" talk: Goldberg turning heel was also a stupid thing, as was Goldberg losing a match to Vince Russo.
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Vince Russo even appearing on camera was a stupid thing.
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We all know Kevin Nash beating Goldberg was the wrong decision. But who should have been the man to do it?
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Oatgan posted:Vince Russo even appearing on camera was a stupid thing. I think the greatest use of Vince Russo was when he came down to the ring with the Mamalukes because he might have actually fit as their loudmouth rear end in a top hat brother. Otherwise he never, ever fit. Hirams Bitch posted:We all know Kevin Nash beating Goldberg was the wrong decision. But who should have been the man to do it? Vader. I thought Vader was going to do it.
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Lone Rogue posted:I think the greatest use of Vince Russo was when he came down to the ring with the Mamalukes because he might have actually fit as their loudmouth rear end in a top hat brother. I didn't help that he has one of the worst speaking voices in human history.
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Hirams Bitch posted:We all know Kevin Nash beating Goldberg was the wrong decision. But who should have been the man to do it? I think if a face had won it (maybe Sting or DDP) you could've done an angle where Goldberg gets all mad and turns heel and destroys things trying to get his belt back. I think Nash was a face at the time he won it though, so I guess that could have worked with Nash. Really anything but what actually transpired would have been good.
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Lone Rogue posted:Vader. I thought Vader was going to do it. I'm pretty sure Vader was long gone before Goldberg even debuted.
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CVagts posted:I'm pretty sure Vader was long gone before Goldberg even debuted. He was in the WWF when Goldberg debuted. He went to Japan after he left the fed. As a kid, when Vader was barely on TV anymore and just got flattened by Kane, as a kid that told me he was leaving the WWF and I thought WCW would be picking him up to be the one guy who as a heel could match Goldberg in power. Goldberg vs. Vader at Starrcade 98 would have been amazing. Okay, if I can't pick Vader, The Giant. He never had a proper feud with Goldberg and was leaving the company soon. Great guy to face him at Starrcade. To break the streak? It shouldn't have been broken in 1998.
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I always thought the route to go with Goldberg was to take out all the heels (hogan, nash, giant, hall, flair, etc.) at PPVs, the gradually turn him heel. Then have him steamroll over all the top faces, until Sting beats him at Starrcade 99.
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CopywrightMMXI posted:I always thought the route to go with Goldberg was to take out all the heels (hogan, nash, giant, hall, flair, etc.) at PPVs, the gradually turn him heel. Then have him steamroll over all the top faces, until Sting beats him at Starrcade 99. How would you ever turn Goldberg heel after being that dominant? Thinking back, if someone *has* to beat Goldberg, make it Randy Savage.
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The guy to beat Goldberg hadn't been built up yet. There would have been a time and a guy eventually, but it wasn't on the horizon when Kevin Nash decided to make it Kevin Nash.
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jeffersonlives posted:The guy to beat Goldberg hadn't been built up yet. There would have been a time and a guy eventually, but it wasn't on the horizon when Kevin Nash decided to make it Kevin Nash. It should have been Giant vs. Goldberg. Giant would have been so easy to build up as a guy who could actually beat Goldberg. They could have him no sell the spear and win World War 3 like a huge threat. Who cares if he's leaving? Goldberg gets to beat him at Starrcade. Personally, the one guy they blew it with who could have beaten Goldberg was Bam Bam Bigelow. His story was great. He was a free agent, not a member of WCW who came out just to challenge Goldberg. The fans were hot to see it too but WCW just let it die in the worst way possible. Would Bam Bam been a good guy to beat Goldberg? ...sure, why not?
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Lone Rogue posted:How would you ever turn Goldberg heel after being that dominant? Have him become increasingly arrogant and just act like everybody in WCW is not on his level.
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CopywrightMMXI posted:Have him become increasingly arrogant and just act like everybody in WCW is not on his level. Yeah... that would make Goldberg look like Austin and act like The Rock. Might have shifted WCW to win the war 
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I'm of the mind that DDP should have beaten Goldberg at Halloween Havoc.
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Goldberg was already starting to get booed when he lost the belt. They just should've kept it on him until people got so tired of him that they booed him like they do Cena. No heel turn neccessary, but unlike Cena, they'd actually play into it and have him start building feuds with faces.
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LividLiquid posted:Goldberg was already starting to get booed when he lost the belt. They just should've kept it on him until people got so tired of him that they booed him like they do Cena. No heel turn neccessary, but unlike Cena, they'd actually play into it and have him start building feuds with faces. They weren't tired of him, they just kept having him face babyfaces like Nash and DDP. Goldberg was still massively over and one of the biggest draws in wrestling.
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The other piece of the Goldberg backlash is that they started heavily working his number record and piping in fake chants, both of which were completely unnecessary except that WCW wanted to control absolutely everything even when organic was far superior. Sound familiar?
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jeffersonlives posted:The guy to beat Goldberg hadn't been built up yet. There would have been a time and a guy eventually, but it wasn't on the horizon when Kevin Nash decided to make it Kevin Nash. I agree with this, but I don't know that anybody ever showed up that would deserve it in WCW. Maybe Sean O'Haire? Mike Awesome?
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Hirams Bitch posted:I agree with this, but I don't know that anybody ever showed up that would deserve it in WCW. Maybe Sean O'Haire? Mike Awesome? I think a thing they could have built up is the fact that, for the most part, Goldberg was running through guys bigger and stronger than him. Though really, he was mostly running through Konnan and Meng over and over again. I think it would have been neat to see a smaller guy out-quick and out-smart him. WCW had one of the greatest cruiserweight divisions, so there's a number of guys you could pick.
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punchdaily posted:I think a thing they could have built up is the fact that, for the most part, Goldberg was running through guys bigger and stronger than him. Though really, he was mostly running through Konnan and Meng over and over again. I think it would have been neat to see a smaller guy out-quick and out-smart him. WCW had one of the greatest cruiserweight divisions, so there's a number of guys you could pick. How many nitros in a row did he beat Jerry Flynn?
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Scott Steiner was the man to beat Goldberg, somewhere in the summer of 99.
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MassRayPer posted:Scott Steiner was the man to beat Goldberg, somewhere in the summer of 99. This right here is perhaps the truest thing to ever be put on the internet.
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jeffersonlives posted:The other piece of the Goldberg backlash is that they started heavily working his number record and piping in fake chants, both of which were completely unnecessary except that WCW wanted to control absolutely everything even when organic was far superior. Sound familiar? Are you trying to tell me that the crowd isn't actually going insane for JTG when he appears on Smackdown because if so I don't know what the gently caress
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The Goog posted:Why? What does that accomplish that makes it worth doing over "Goldberg wrecks EVERYONE and wins, because he's loving GOLDBERG and that's what he does?" That's how Goldberg got over in the first place, that's what people wanted to see, and it's one of the few things that WCW actually did better than WWE. To be honest, it really only set up where the feud was going to go. There were really only going to be two possibly good endings to the match, one where Goldberg just kills HHH, or the other where HHH doesn't win clean. There was no way in hell that HHH could win clean in that match without just destroying it. I have no problem with WWE running with it. I've been running it in my mind and comparing it with the triple cage match in Wargames 2000. So much waste in one match.
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MassRayPer posted:Scott Steiner was the man to beat Goldberg, somewhere in the summer of 99.
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LividLiquid posted:We don't see eye to eye on much, but this is something I never thought of even at the time and it's exactly what should've happened. It never even occurred to me until last week. Even ignoring the fact they had awesome chemistry it is really perfect.
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I know this was discussed earlier, but the difference between Goldberg and most other technical wrestlers or big guys was the quickness or the snap that Goldberg had in his moves. Big guys are usually slower, even slightly slower, so having a big guy that had some quickness really made a difference. But that wasn't the only thing that Goldberg had and having that doesn't make someone a superstar. 3 Minute Warning had that same big guy quickness, too, and obviously they were nowhere near Goldberg's level. Part of it is having the right guy at the right place at the right time with some luck and sustainability. Someone mentioned the Ultimate Warrior and I think that's a great comparison. There are definitely a lot of similarities there. I think the WWF tried to and could have made it work with Ahmed Johnson had he not gotten injured. Once he was healthy, it was too late - the spark was gone.
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Rusty Shackelford posted:I know this was discussed earlier, but the difference between Goldberg and most other technical wrestlers or big guys was the quickness or the snap that Goldberg had in his moves. Big guys are usually slower, even slightly slower, so having a big guy that had some quickness really made a difference. Also Ahmed loved to injure people. He also loved T's
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