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Hedera Helix posted:Don't jinx it, don't jinx it, don't jinx it... I keep trying to think of an anime that might be awesome enough to make her become a better person; I then realize that such a thing does not exist. Gurren Lagann was amazing because of the Nietzchean "YOU CAN loving DO IT! YOU CAN DO ANYTHING BECAUSE HUMANS ARE THE MOTHERFUCKING PRESIDENTS OF BADASSERY!" element; it's very transcendentalist (minus the naturalism). Unfortunately, it was made for sane people or people who are pumped to be here or tired of being down. Denise is such a loathsome, colossal human train-cluster-fuckwreck, it wouldn't do her any good. To the two of you ladies, stand tall and shake the heavens. There's no revenge like success!
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Gurren Lagann was also a bit poo poo, though. Last thing they'd need is this nutjob suddenly hamming it up with burning enthusiasm for her pretend world. OP and Kat, out of curiosity, when Denise is being uncharacteristically lucid (if ever she is these days), have you ever tried directly telling her that it's okay to be act like a normal human being? I would be curious to see how she reacts, since I'd imagine someone might go all in on something loony just because they'd be afraid to admit it's all crap after spending so much time at it.
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heatherawr posted:I'm reminded of this That's based on Heavenly Creatures, which has come up a few times already in this thread. la fausse tortue, what kind of job has Denise been able to get herself? I can't imagine she would work well with anyone supervising her, or interact well with clients/customers of any kind.
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Stultus Maximus posted:You know where Denise would probably get a long really well? TVTropes. It's funny, because I'm reading this thread, the TVTropes thread and the J-F Bibeau thread in TBB right now, and they all dovetail rather nicely in a strange way. And yes, I agree. Her behavior seems like it would be rather... accepted over there.
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hallo spacedog posted:It's funny, because I'm reading this thread, the TVTropes thread and the J-F Bibeau thread in TBB right now, and they all dovetail rather nicely in a strange way.  There's something so... homogeneous about the behavior of crazy fan people.
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Sir Prancelot posted:As a fellow consumer of all three threads, I agree. A common mental illess.
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Meldonox posted:... When Denise is being uncharacteristically lucid (if ever she is these days), have you ever tried directly telling her that it's okay to be act like a normal human being? ... I'd imagine someone might go all in on something loony just because they'd be afraid to admit it's all crap after spending so much time at it. On many occasions I have tried to break down Denise's walls of fantasy to try and get her to the real world. The very suggestion that perhaps all the dimensions didn't work the way she thought they did and that even if they did exist we had to go on with our lives and live was too much for her, so I tried to chip away by inserting seeds of reason in the hopes that they would grow and rip down the lovely sky castle. As it turns out, inception really doesn't work unless you're that Titanic guy. She would become instantly uncomfortable, alternating between accusing me of calling her a liar, and just moping. After she transmogrifaxified into Parrier, she became flat out aggressive when questioned. One time she was trying to convince me she was a Dragon Prince and hissed at me.    SMELLS At some point the reality that she never bathed became an uncomfortable, if necessary point of discussion. I brought up the fact that she smelled like a bison's rear end. I can't remember the exact phrasing but I'm pretty sure the word "ripe" was involved. She told me that it was an inherited smell and that all her family smelled that way. George never stank like a disgusting pile of sweaty rear end. She claimed that if she showered, she smelled like that an hour or so later, so what was the point right? ... Right? Apollodorus posted:What kind of job has Denise been able to get herself? I can't imagine she would work well with anyone supervising her, or interact well with clients/customers of any kind. Employment is a whole other post, actually, one that I don't have the energy to make right now. But, let's say this. Currently, Denise works in a stall in a mall nobody goes to, refilling printer ink cartridges. Aim high.
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This is just so insane and disgusting. Thank you for posting this. Or maybe not. This is the epitome of "there is always more and it is always worse." Anyway, good on you for surviving this maelstrom of insanity.
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I read the FF7 House and I thought there was no way that MORE people like that existed. I read the Sarah Saga and I thought, okay, there is no way that MORE people like that existed. This has got to be it, right? And then we have this thread. I don't think I even know anyone in real life that is into anime even a little bit. These stories fascinate and baffle me. More more more, UglyNoodles!
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Hormones posted:I don't think I even know anyone in real life that is into anime even a little bit. Well-adjusted people don't talk about anime if they like it. Lord knows I don't talk about it with people offline, mostly because of oddball stories like this. Really it's like anything with nutty overzealous fans.
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Joining the 'and I thought my anime friends were weird' chorus. So OP, did Perrier ever do ANYTHING different than Denise ever did?  I love the idea of becoming a demon and still sitting around and buying comic books. Glad you and Kat were able to untangle yourselves from that mess. Please tell me Denise put some of that manga online.
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Meldonox posted:Well-adjusted people don't talk about anime if they like it. Lord knows I don't talk about it with people offline, mostly because of oddball stories like this. I don't think it's so much that they never talk about it as it is that they don't bring it up to absolutely everyone, since they have more than a singular obsession that rules both their lives and their potential conversation topics. Unlike crazy people.
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I admit, I'm morbidly curious as to how Hetalia has affected Denise's ideas about the world. Denise is clearly fixated on Japanese products, but had she ever obsessed over anything not Japanese? You mentioned Optimus Prime and Legolas previously--anything else? Also, that's a pretty rad picture of a dragon, uglynoodles.
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Viola the Mad posted:I admit, I'm morbidly curious as to how Hetalia has affected Denise's ideas about the world.
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Vicas posted:I don't think it's so much that they never talk about it as it is that they don't bring it up to absolutely everyone, since they have more than a singular obsession that rules both their lives and their potential conversation topics. Unlike crazy people. Yeah, this is basically it. Decently balanced people can generally read how interested someone would be in a subject and find something they can both relate on rather than forcing a singular topic down the other person's throat. Even when I've found other anime fans, at work or elsewhere, I rarely bring the topic up unless I really think there's something of value there for both of us.
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Moto Punch posted:I'm so glad I grew out of my horrible animu phase around the age of 14/15. Punk gigs and alcohol were much healthier teenage hobbies. This this this a thousand times this. I really shudder to think what would have become of me if I had had regular internet access as an adolescent. The thing about crime, drugs and rock and roll is that you sink too far into your idiot fantasy world, there's always a skinhead or a cop or something to bop you on the head and bring you back to reality.
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Having had an interest in anime for a while, I know people like this and know fathers like George all too well. I don't know if this has been answered, but is George doing alright? Did you guys ever really watch anime on your own, or was it all pushed on you by Denise? I know uglynoodles mentioned she 'knew she would make cartoons in Japan eventually', but how deep down the rabbit hole were you? LaTex Fetish fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Oct 26, 2011 |
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Spitball Trough posted:This this this a thousand times this. I really shudder to think what would have become of me if I had had regular internet access as an adolescent. The thing about crime, drugs and rock and roll is that you sink too far into your idiot fantasy world, there's always a skinhead or a cop or something to bop you on the head and bring you back to reality. Except that there are those who would take that as validation of their world view, and that it proves they're hardcore or something.
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uglynoodles and Kat, you two must have hearts of gold and minds of steel for not abandoning this crazy messed up lady after all she put you two through.  (That, or you've been sticking around mostly for the kicks and giggles)Also, I don't know if this has been asked yet, how much of a weeabo is she? Does she believe that this rear end-tral plane of the amines she believes in have any language barriers, or does she have that covered already?
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Did you at any point did you just go "gently caress this, I don't need friends this badly."
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Silentman0 posted:Did you at any point did you just go "gently caress this, I don't need friends this badly." I assume she did at some point, as I kind of got the impression that OP, at least, no longer speaks to Denise. Or do I just have terrible reading comprehension?
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InternetSuperqueero posted:Or do I just have terrible reading comprehension? No, that seems about right.
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Silentman0 posted:Did you at any point did you just go "gently caress this, I don't need friends this badly." It wasn't this crazy, but I did have an ex similar to Denise that I hung on to forever because I sincerely believed that no one else would love me.
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Chiming in with a "and I thought my anime friends were bad." I had one friend who unironically thought he was a martial arts master Dragon superhero, conveniently named Dragon, and that one day his true form would come out. He had a theme song (something from Linkin Park's Meteora) and everything. Then my first girlfriend spent more time talking about how she was going to marry anime guys than anything else. That lasted a whopping 3 months before I finally cut ties there, which was obviously 3 months too long. She later got addicted to FFXI, complete with an in-game boyfriend and in-game marriage which was, hilariously, presided over a goon who happened to be a GM in the game. Thankfully I've completely cut ties with everyone from that horrible era of my life. This thread is hilarious. Keep up with the artwork because that's the best drat part.
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I may not have a lot of friends due to social anxiety, but holy hell. I also didn't really run into batshit insanity from anime fan friends, thankfully. The worst was with a girl who shared my name who pretended to be married to Sephiroth (it's always Sephiroth) to escape a completely broken family home and a lot of scary crap she was doing. That was a lot more tragic than batshit, though. The kids in the anime club were the typical "this is my smexy anime husband" crap that I was able to silence as the VP.
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Let me know if I missed someone's question.Yonic Symbolism posted:The situation does remind me of Paranoia Agent, which is about the toxicity of escapism and wish fulfillment fantasies. I once watched the end of Paranoia Agent with Itachi from Naruto. He was possessing Melissa at the time. Viola the Mad posted:Denise is clearly fixated on Japanese products, but had she ever obsessed over anything not Japanese? You mentioned Optimus Prime and Legolas previously--anything else? She's pretty focused on Japan. I'd say Japan dominates. Anyone read the Orientalism theory? I think she's latched onto Japan because it's so exotic and opposite her current life. Except what she's latched onto is not the reality of Japan but her perception of it. Very romanticized. I was chatting with Uglynoodles the other day about Japan during the Second World War, and we chortled about how it might crush her little heart to learn her preferred country isn't as innocent and pure as she wants it to be. Anyway. There are other things she obsesses over, but Japan-related things take the cake. Grashlok posted:Having had an interest in anime for a while, I know people like this and know fathers like George all too well. I don't know if this has been answered, but is George doing alright? As far as I know, George is Ok. We all watched anime prior to the Denise exposure, and I don't think any of us are really put off of it. I haven't watched anime for months because I haven't had the time to find something good to watch. I met Uglynoodles first, who nudged me into Escaflowne and other animes. My experience up until that point had been Digimon, Pokemon, Monster Rancher (is that even anime?) and Inu Yasha. I honestly didn't really distinguish anime as different than much of TV, except that it had a lot better stories than the Bugs Bunny and other Warner Bros cartoons my dad had raised me on. Yoshi Jjang posted:Also, I don't know if this has been asked yet, how much of a weeabo is she? Does she believe that this rear end-tral plane of the amines she believes in have any language barriers, or does she have that covered already? Fairly weeaboo. She was tagged in a picture of Vocaloid or wtf it is with the long blue hair. As for language barriers, basically they can all speak English as well as whatever language they were originally in (such as Japanese for the anime people). And any languages their character was associated with. InternetSuperqueero posted:I assume she did at some point, as I kind of got the impression that OP, at least, no longer speaks to Denise. Or do I just have terrible reading comprehension? I still speak with her, but I honestly don't have time. She moved to a different part of the city, and it's a pain in the rear end to get up there. A pain I don't care to indulge in when I have better things to do, such as school and work and me-time. I think I briefly talked to her a month ago. Can't remember what about. Last time I really saw her was before May. I don't think Uglynoodles talks to her except the odd comment on facebook. Uglynoodles also lives halfway across the world now. Hormones posted:Was George completely aware of Denise's Magical Castle Sparklefairy Land? Did he knew about the anime guys that followed her around and stuff? Or was this something she didn't express to him? If he knew about it all, what did he say/think about it? George knows nothing. uglynoodles posted:Something about not showering Also, she had an aversion to water because she was a FIRE dragon.
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la_fausse_tortue posted:Fairly weeaboo. She was tagged in a picture of Vocaloid or wtf it is with the long blue hair. Why can't all the crazy people like things that I don't like? Why must they all cluster around things that I do like? Or at least, would like more, if it weren't for them?  Please tell me that she isn't also a Touhou fan. I don't think I could bear it if she was.
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Hedera Helix posted:Please tell me that she isn't also a Touhou fan. I don't think I could bear it if she was. Introduced it to her once. It didn't stick.
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^^Oh thank god for that. I just caught up on this thread and jesus christ.  I'm glad I didn't know anyone this bad while growing up. This is embarrassing to admit but the closest was my own brief period of being "married to an anime character" when I was 13-14 and even during THAT phase, I was always very aware that he wasn't real and I was just entertaining myself with fantasies. (Ironically I cannot stand the character now and think he's a piece of poo poo characterization wise. What were you thinking 13 year old me)Anyway, uglynoodles it's been said a lot already but I'm incredibly sorry that both you and Kat had to put up with all this from her, especially with some of those last few updates. I knew from the moment when you said that what happened to you that summer would be relevant later that Denise was going to do something to piss me off and she sure as gently caress did. God what a little twat. My heart also goes out to her poor father. He sounds like a great man and being the daddy's girl of a single father myself (although admittedly from much better circumstances) the very idea of anyone putting a father like that through this sort of crap breaks my heart. Hell, I couldn't (and still can't) even sleep well at night asking my dad for money for anything except maybe lunch, much less my hobbies. I funded my teenage manga collection myself. I sincerely hope he's doing well now. Also, another thing that's already been said but I absolutely love your art. That dragon is especially cool. Edit: uglynoodles posted:As for George, well... Denise still lives with him. Well goddamnit. Katsudon fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Oct 26, 2011 |
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la_fausse_tortue posted:Also, she had an aversion to water because she was a FIRE dragon. Well, the last fire dragon year (In Chinese astrology) was 1976/77, so unless she's in her mid-thirties she's just a janky soap-dodger.
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Grashlok posted:Having had an interest in anime for a while, I know people like this and know fathers like George all too well. I don't know if this has been answered, but is George doing alright? Not very. I really liked a couple of shows. I've always been a bit of a snob when it comes to animu, I guess. I only like a couple of things. When I was 13, I figured I could get a job animating in Japan eventually -- I have since realised how retarded that is and I now seek a career in game art. I still like most of what Studio Ghibli produces, I like almost anything Yoko Kanno has touched, and... That's about it. I'm not into the anime thing at all anymore. As for George, well... Denise still lives with him.
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This thread.  Thank you OP and Kat for sharing, this is Final Fantasy House levels of crazy.I will admit to my absolute worst weeaboo phase. In junior high I was into Tenchi Muyo and created some abortion that looked like a mixture of Ryoko and Ayeka, only more ~*special*~ because she was a GI Joe style hunter with giant stupid hair. Then I turned 13 and floated onto another dumb teenage interest. I can understand liking it or relating to the characters, or finding the shallower stuff a fun watch in a "turn off your brain" kind of way. I can also see why someone would want to make some Mary Sue for their true love bishie boy character or whatever - hell, that's the basis of like 99% of Fanfiction which goes beyond anime into games, film, books, basically everything. It's harmless and fun to write or imagine yourself in the universe of your favorite fictional universe,as long as you understand it's all in your head, they don't exist, and outside of fan content on deviantart/ff.net or whatever no one gives a poo poo or wants to hear about it. However, the disconnect that it takes to go from 'that drawing sure is cute' to 'he is real and we make astral babies' is so incredibly nuts it's almost incomprehensible. I think it's telling (and depressing) that nearly every single one of these cases is escapism taken too far to escape some awful trauma or a lovely home life.
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Hedera Helix posted:Please tell me that she isn't also a Touhou fan. I don't think I could bear it if she was. I don't think female Touhou fans exist. While many Touhou fans are crazy, there is a difference between crazy male fans and crazy female fans, and most of the time a particular property attracts one or the other. I don't think Denise would be a fan of Touhou considering it has an all female cast, so she can't have a spirit husband or whatever, plus the games are rather difficult.
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