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Adus posted:I'm always kind of embarrassed for America whenever Japan has to deal with one of those anime fanatic tourists. I don't want to be associated with that. Yea, I'm pretty sure they realize (hopefully) that these people are a minority. But it doesn't really do any good for America's image, that's for sure.
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Oct 30, 2011 01:00
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uglynoodles posted:Kat, if I was Ripley, you were Newt. You probably felt the same but reversed. This got a laugh out of me. God I love this thread. 
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Oct 30, 2011 01:24
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Grashlok posted:Yea, I'm pretty sure they realize (hopefully) that these people are a minority. But it doesn't really do any good for America's image, that's for sure. What I'm wondering is why is it always Japan? You don't see many people coming to the United States because they base their entire lives around western comic books and the Cartoon Network and assume that they will be universally loved and accepted because of that.
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Oct 30, 2011 01:30
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Finisher1 posted:What I'm wondering is why is it always Japan? You don't see many people coming to the United States because they base their entire lives around western comic books and the Cartoon Network and assume that they will be universally loved and accepted because of that. Less worship of exoticism coupled with rampant xenophobia and a dislike of foriegners I guess.
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Oct 30, 2011 02:21
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Adus posted:I'm always kind of embarrassed for America whenever Japan has to deal with one of those anime fanatic tourists. I don't want to be associated with that. Don't worry about it; a lot of Japanese visit as tourists to see America, so they know we're not all like that. Even then, though, they still do have some weird ideas about America.
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Oct 30, 2011 04:15
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uglynoodles posted:Aliens, Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark, and Jurassic Park are my favourite films of all time  It doesn't sound like Denise was really dumb in any way, like you mentioned. She's just an incredibly lazy sack of poo poo.
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Oct 30, 2011 04:26
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Finisher1 posted:What I'm wondering is why is it always Japan? You don't see many people coming to the United States because they base their entire lives around western comic books and the Cartoon Network and assume that they will be universally loved and accepted because of that. Eh, you get a little of it for the UK, especially ever since Harry Potter got really big. You'll occasionally have the kids who romanticize the UK and dream of going there and inject random British English-isms into their American English speech (snogging, arse, etc.). They want to go to the UK based on their love of Harry Potter and Doctor Who. I don't think you get as much of it as you do Japan, but it's still there a little bit.
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Oct 30, 2011 04:40
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dumb brunette posted:Eh, you get a little of it for the UK, especially ever since Harry Potter got really big. You'll occasionally have the kids who romanticize the UK and dream of going there and inject random British English-isms into their American English speech (snogging, arse, etc.). They want to go to the UK based on their love of Harry Potter and Doctor Who. Consider all the people who made visits to Forks after twilight came out. Forks. A.K.A Boringsville, Washington. It's hardly exclusive to Japan. ...Though now that I think about it, a lot of Washington towns have sister Cities in Japan. 
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Oct 30, 2011 04:47
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Lance Streetman posted:Consider all the people who made visits to Forks after twilight came out. Forks. A.K.A Boringsville, Washington. It's hardly exclusive to Japan. Well, there are more Japanese people in Washington. It is the West Coast v  v
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Oct 30, 2011 05:03
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dumb brunette posted:Eh, you get a little of it for the UK, especially ever since Harry Potter got really big. You'll occasionally have the kids who romanticize the UK and dream of going there and inject random British English-isms into their American English speech (snogging, arse, etc.). They want to go to the UK based on their love of Harry Potter and Doctor Who. This I find is very quickly cured by documentaries about Scottish council estates.
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Oct 30, 2011 05:08
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Adus posted:I'm always kind of embarrassed for America whenever Japan has to deal with one of those anime fanatic tourists. I don't want to be associated with that. That is far from the worst thing America has ever inflicted upon Japan, however.
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Oct 30, 2011 06:02
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Adus posted:I'm always kind of embarrassed for America whenever Japan has to deal with one of those anime fanatic tourists. I don't want to be associated with that. I'm American, but I spent roughly a third of my childhood (most of my formative adolescence) in Japan and still go back from time to time. I avoid any and all anime shops or conventions like the plague on both sides of the pond; too many bad run-ins with extremists (be they single Japanese guys hunting waifu merch or 'Merican "GRORIOUS NIPPON  " acolytes). I don't think there's a comparable analogy for the latter in regards to Japan idolizing a perceived aspect of Western culture today; iirc that all happened during/after the Meiji Restoration when they assimilated all our industry technology, but I digress.Nothing against animation/manga with actual substance, although I dropped the medium a long time ago for other reasons, but seriously...everything in moderation. OP, thanks for sharing. Excellent posts.
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Oct 30, 2011 07:11
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Boiled Water posted:This I find is very quickly cured by documentaries about Scottish council estates. Council estates? Those sound classy as hell. (they're projects or something aren't they)
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Oct 30, 2011 07:13
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Yes, she went to Japan with Melissa. Dropped a lot of cash. Borrowed cash from her aunt to both drop in Japan and pay for the trip. Dunno if it's been repaid yet. She's saving up to go back. And apparently she might have found an in-road into the English Teaching in Japan. George has a lot of connections. I doubt it will pan out, considering her utter lack of grammar and correct speech. And her ignorance of the language. I remember her telling me after she came back about how she couldn't speak any of the language. Beyond, I guess, yaoi and animu terms I guess. And they did go to a convention there. I still take Japanese. Up to Lesson 14 in Genki now. Taking it as well as Chinese. Finding Chinese easier, somehow. EDIT TO SAY: I probably won't be providing any stories for a bit. It's midterms week. And Japanese just chewed me up on the last quiz.
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Oct 30, 2011 07:50
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Farecoal posted:Council estates? Those sound classy as hell. (they're projects or something aren't they)
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Oct 30, 2011 07:58
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After seeing that picture I had to double-check some facts! It looks exactly like the art turned out by my own Denise. (But she lived with her mother, not her father, and wasn't anywhere near that monstrous, to the best of my knowledge.) I met her at the anime club and we were fast friends, doing all the things 14-year-old anime fangirls do. Except she was like 20. At the time I never thought this was weird, but as I grew I suddenly realized "Wait. She still puts on her anime-character falsetto and coos about Digimon? I'm in college." She was a really sweet girl, but, like Denise, her hypochondria was just completely all-consuming. She decided to cut ties with me because my early failings to get a story published made her feel bad about herself or something. Actually now I feel pretty good about that.
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Oct 30, 2011 08:04
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loving anime falsetto. I knew a girl who's natural voice was incredibly high-pitched and paced. She almost got punched out at BK by a cashier who figured nobody made noises like that and she must be trying to start something.  And she still spoke higher and faster when she was being 'kawaii.'
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Oct 30, 2011 08:13
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The Worst Unicorn posted:loving anime falsetto. I knew a girl who's natural voice was incredibly high-pitched and paced. She almost got punched out at BK by a cashier who figured nobody made noises like that and she must be trying to start something. That poo poo is not a joke. Work in a Japanese office for a month and you start having physical reactions to all the high-pitched, cutesy "polite voice" all the OLs put on for every loving interaction ARGH!!!!!
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Oct 30, 2011 09:20
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What happened in Japan that makes high pitches polite?
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Oct 30, 2011 14:25
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bringmyfishback posted:That poo poo is not a joke. Work in a Japanese office for a month and you start having physical reactions to all the high-pitched, cutesy "polite voice" all the OLs put on for every loving interaction ARGH!!!!! We have a lot of Japanese students studying English at university here. Each year they run free Japanese classes so they can meet the locals, and it helps them practise their English too. I'd done some the year before and knew a very little already. Some of the guys were a little taken aback when a shaggy-haired, deep-voiced lass showed up in jeans, a leather jacket and a football shirt and got chatting to them. They explained to me that men and women have completely different ways of talking, and what with saying things like "boku", "yo", "da", etc., I sound really butch. I just cannot do the cutesy submissive voice and language - I've tried and I sound like a bloke doing falsetto or something and it sounds even more daft. It does explain that time when I was a fresher and I tried to hit on one of the Japanese lads. He was pretty happy at first that I spoke his language, but I was far too forward and, in hindsight, talking like a dude. After about a minute, the poor guy seemed properly scared. Then again, I've been known to have that effect on one or two Western guys too. 
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Oct 30, 2011 14:26
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I love the idea of you doing the Japanese equivalent of 'alreet luv, canna buy you a pint?' in a gruff mannish voice. My sister was a rep at uni for the incoming Japanese students and said that the guys were often pretty scared of women here (UK). And Chinese girls too, who would often stalk the pretty ones.
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Oct 30, 2011 15:32
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Don't worry, she can't teach English in Japan, at least through a reputable company. You need at least a bachelors degree. I had a friend that did it a couple years ago. I think there was a crack down and a lot of the companies closed / its a lot harder to teach in Japan now. I think you also have to get interviewed. The two people I know that did it had a Masters in English and a Bachelors in Art Education.
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Oct 30, 2011 15:37
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Zentrenched posted:I love the idea of you doing the Japanese equivalent of 'alreet luv, canna buy you a pint?' in a gruff mannish voice. That's a scarily accurate impression of me! Though I do now, somewhat miraculously, have a lovely boyfriend who, three years ago, actually went for the line "Alreet lad, I'm crap at flirting, so I'll just be honest: You're fit and I like you. Let's go for a pint or something." He's a Smoggie, so I guess he sounds a bit strange too. But aye, I'm telt that it's only really a very few tough guys (the ones who dress very conservatively for their photos and as soon as they come over here they dye their hair, dress like punks, go out clubbing all night etc.) who like British lasses, particularly here in the north. The same goes for girls from Hiroshima, because apparently they have quite strong accents there that sound harsh compared to the rest of Japan.
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Oct 30, 2011 16:00
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la_fausse_tortue posted:Yes, she went to Japan with Melissa. Dropped a lot of cash. Borrowed cash from her aunt to both drop in Japan and pay for the trip. Dunno if it's been repaid yet. And Chinese is awesome. Everyone should take Chinese.
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Oct 30, 2011 16:12
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Figured you for a Northerner like, given the user-name and Teeside Tintin avatar. I love seeing all the crazier fashion types appear when the student's roll into Newcastle every year. The punkier Japanese always look cool as hell. I've no doubt both sexes probably get (unwanted) attention from Otaku types though. Poor buggers.
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Oct 30, 2011 16:16
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In the PYF Internet Trainwrecks thread there was a creepy guy who was into little animu girls and called real girls "3d pig ugly" (paraphrasing). He got hired to teach in Japan  and kept a genuinely frightening blog about how he loves the young, beautiful children on animes. He got fired when the school discovered that blog. I'm not entirely sure how easy it is to qualify to teach in Japan.I notice everyone's contributing tales of their crazy anime friends. Like I mentioned earlier, the only significant crazy I know is a girl when I was in college who was really, really into Hinduism and Sai Baba, so I'm not sure if it's relevant to this thread. Highlights include: - faking memory loss for weeks because someone forgot her birthday - telling everyone how she was in Hong Kong televised dramas, and Bollywood musicals. Singing is bloody awful. - spiritual/astral wedding with both Sai Baba and some Indian politician/philanthropist - starting a "thespian society", and doing a terrible 4 hour Bollywood musical, cast and crew involving almost the whole law faculty (including me, who got to see a lot of crazy first hand), and later the international student department. If people want to read this I'll post a couple of stories. Can't promise anime. She hates them.
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Oct 30, 2011 16:35
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Stottie Kyek posted:That's a scarily accurate impression of me! Though I do now, somewhat miraculously, have a lovely boyfriend who, three years ago, actually went for the line "Alreet lad, I'm crap at flirting, so I'll just be honest: You're fit and I like you. Let's go for a pint or something." He's a Smoggie, so I guess he sounds a bit strange too. Goddammit I have literally just that second understood your username and now I feel like an idiot. A friend of mine went to teach in Japan for a while and absolutely hated it. I was really confused when he said he was going over there, because he wasn't at all one of the weird anime people who normally goes for that stuff. Turns out he'd been learning Japanese at evening classes because he was bored of his job. Apparently, at least in the program he was in, the conditions were REALLY lovely and the places he ended up teaching at were loving awful. He also really hated most of the other people on the program because they WERE weird anime types who went to buy figurines and body pillows or whatever.
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Oct 30, 2011 17:01
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Oct 30, 2011 17:24
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happyflurple posted:Haha yeah, the username puzzled me until I realised where she's from Hehe, aye, the local foodstuff is called a "stottie cake", but pronounced "sto'ie kyek" in Geordie/Mackem/Smoggie/Durhamite etc. Zentrenched posted:Figured you for a Northerner like, given the user-name and Teeside Tintin avatar. Yes, someone else who knows Tinhead!  Oh man, this reminds me of another time. Some of the Japanese girls were feeling homesick, and they wanted to watch some animes. Well, I didn't have any myself, but I remembered that we have an anime society at the university, where people bring their anime DVDs and play them on a big projector in a lecture theatre. I hadn't been before, though. So we rocked up there to find a sea of cat ears and neckbeards, who all stared at and fawned over the Japanese girls like they were some kind of minstrel show, and we all sat down to watch Potemayo, which was some weird-rear end show about a schoolboy who finds a tiny, cuddly, round creature... thing, which one of his mates has a crush on for some reason, and in this episode they spent a torturously long time at a swimming bath talking about how the beast was growing tits and "becoming a woman". The soc was meeting for drinks afterwards, but we decided to give it a miss. I later saw the society's logo, which incorporates an enormous Imperial Japanese Army flag, which, what with having Dutch grandparents, makes me (and the Japanese students, actually, who just want to forget that whole business and celebrate peace) pretty loving uncomfortable. edit: The Saddest Rhino posted:Creepy India fangirl This sounds hilarious, like the anime creeps, but swap Japan for India. Please post 'em! Stottie Kyek fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Oct 30, 2011 |
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Oct 30, 2011 17:56
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Stottie Kyek posted:Hehe, aye, the local foodstuff is called a "stottie cake", but pronounced "sto'ie kyek" in Geordie/Mackem/Smoggie/Durhamite etc. I had to look up what the hell a "stottie cake" is. It actually sounds kinda good. Better than most of the British food we Americans hear about, anyway. Also, yes, crazy India stories would be fantastic. It's always nice to hear about people obsessed with countries other than Japan.
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Oct 30, 2011 19:07
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The Saddest Rhino posted:- spiritual/astral wedding with both Sai Baba Isn't that the Indian guru with an afro? Isn't he also widely accused of being a fraud?
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Oct 30, 2011 19:23
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RyuujinBlueZ posted:It actually sounds kinda good. Better than most of the British food we Americans hear about, anyway. Never trust anyone who badmouths British food, they never really make a good enough case against it to be taken seriously  All of this talk of people who literally believed they were astral dragons or whatever is really eye-opening because the worst I've ever experienced were people who just liked them a lot. In primary school there was one girl who carried around a sort of beanie baby dragon thing and whenever she wasn't paying attention in class she would do simple sketches of them, but actually talking to her and spending time with her it was obvious that she was completely down to earth and just thought that flying fire breathing lizards were pretty cool, just like some people thought Ninja Turtles or Transformers were cool. I would hope and expect that in the years since then she's stayed cool about that sort of thing. Then again since then the internet kind of happened in a big way, and we all know what the internet can stir up in folks.
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Oct 30, 2011 19:52
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The Saddest Rhino posted:In the PYF Internet Trainwrecks thread there was a creepy guy who was into little animu girls and called real girls "3d pig ugly" (paraphrasing). Was it this guy? Because I want to punch his lights out.
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Oct 30, 2011 20:13
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Lance Streetman posted:Was it this guy? Because I want to punch his lights out. It's this charmer
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Oct 30, 2011 20:19
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RyuujinBlueZ posted:I had to look up what the hell a "stottie cake" is. There is a lot of delicious British food, but it tends to be regional specialities, like stottie cake with bacon and pease pudding, or Yorkshire curd tarts, or a whole load of tasty cream cakes and things. Scotland especially has some great things like cranachan, smoked salmon, haggis, etc. And we have a huge range of good beers and cheeses. We never really got a chance to develop our own cuisine, because Britain was always being invaded, so the rich people who would've had the money to make special food were foreign and usually ate recipes from their original countries. That's why a lot of our traditional food uses cheap ingredients and can be quite fattening, like bread and cakes or bangers 'n' mash, because it was what the British peasants ate to keep warm and fat when they had to work the land - but now there are fancier versions thereof, like a fancy cream tea, or wild boar sausage etc. Most of that ended in the Industrial Revolution when people were crammed into big cities, so people ate lovely fried stuff and our food really was bad. Then we had the Empire, and we invaded other countries and stole their recipes, so you do get a lot of British-Indian and British-Chinese food over here. It's not very authentic and it's so different from the original dishes that it's considered British (e.g. tikka masala isn't Indian at all), but it's clearly inspired by other cultures. So yeah, that's why all good British food is sometimes overlooked or mistaken for other countries' food.
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Oct 30, 2011 20:22
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Stottie Kyek posted:Yorkshire curd tarts This sounds like the most unappetizing spoonerism ever
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Oct 30, 2011 20:32
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Pastrymancy posted:It's this charmer Oh boy! Now I have a new person I want to punch out! Seriously, take a look at this: quote:I shouldn’t have to live by Japanese standards.  "I'm an American in Japan, I shouldn't have to follow Japanese customs or rules!"
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Oct 30, 2011 20:39
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Stottie Kyek posted:wild boar sausage etc. I'm sorry, I just kind of drifted off into a drooling mess about here. That sounds positively fantastic. My mother always spoke highly of the food she had when she visited the UK, but never really went into detail on anything. I certainly wouldn't mind paying a visit myself some day, for more than just the food. Now if Top Gear can stay a thing long enough for me to get famous, I can kill two birds with one stone. Edit: Lance Streetman posted:Oh boy! Now I have a new person I want to punch out! Holy poo poo, look at this. "Japan itself is just one big contradiction. It makes no sense to me. Anime and manga portray this free reality of no boundaries but Japan is so restricted and constrained." It's like he(?) doesn't understand the concept of escapist media. The entire most recent post seems to be about how Japan isn't at all like the animes he used to escape from his lovely life when he was a kid and he doesn't know why. RyuujinBlueZ fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Oct 30, 2011 |
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I roomed with a girl from Japan my first semester, Akira and tried to be friends with her, but I must have crossed some line because she got increasingly rude to me as the semesters went on. Other girls on the floor tried to be her friend, too, but they were mainly ignored. When I came back from winter break she had moved somewhere else on campus. There was also a budding weeaboo who lived on my floor. All this girl knew so far was that she liked Sailor Moon, was putting together a Sailor Jupiter outfit and kawaii baka desu. Well, Jupiter found herself on the receiving end of shared care-packages when they came in from Japan, and was cool enough to warrant returned greetings when they passed in the hallway. They still weren't friends, no, and Akira had very plainly told me that she didn't like anime when we first met. (She then also asked a lot of questions about 90's American prime-time television that I couldn't answer) I don't think that they ever had what you could call a conversation- "I'm going to be Sailor Jupiter!" "Yes, that's nice". But I guess she just really did want us to be in awe of her. Odd one out, I guess.
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