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Stuface posted:The fact that the President takes the censure over having the news about Leo come out is one of my favourite things in the whole show. Sounds pretty stupid in such a far reaching and impressive show, but it's just a pretty touching moment. This guy's the most powerful man in the world and he'll take a hit rather than let his best friend be dragged through the mud. I remember the main reason he justified in doing it was that he was simply wrong and he never apologized for it.
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Stuface posted:The fact that the President takes the censure over having the news about Leo come out is one of my favourite things in the whole show. Sounds pretty stupid in such a far reaching and impressive show, but it's just a pretty touching moment. This guy's the most powerful man in the world and he'll take a hit rather than let his best friend be dragged through the mud. He's actually taking a hit because he did something wrong and wont let his friend go down for him. Subtle difference.
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Why does it not surprise me that the episode when the press call CJ gay was written by Bradley?
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I happened to have some of 'Stirred' (3-17) flash through my mind yesterday and spent a few minutes wondering how awesome it would have been to get Admiral Sissymary as V-POTUS. And then I realised that the most awesome of all would have been to get Nancy McNally on the ticket. I mean, Hoynes showed his worth, drumming up support for Bartlett on a few occasions, but imagine the poor first term senator daring to deviate from the party line who gets a personal visit from McNally.
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Episode 5-3, Jefferson Lives, really pisses me off. Simply because of the continuity error that comes from shoe-horning 4th of July celebrations into it. It was established that Zoey was kidnapped on the 7th of May through the note she left Charlie about the champagne bottle at the arboretum. And now everybody is going around like it's only been a few days, Zoey's bruises aren't even healed, they haven't found a Vice President, and it's two loving months later! What the hell is that?! I could maybe understand it if the episode was originally broadcast on the 9/11, but it was on a month later! Pisses me off, it does.
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If that makes your head spin, try figuring out the late season 5 and early season 6 timeline in a fashion that makes sense.
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I just finished up my trip through West Wing land this year. I can authoritatively say that it jumps the shark/nukes the fridge when they kill Fitz. The End.
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TheBigBad posted:I just finished up my trip through West Wing land this year. I can authoritatively say that it jumps the shark/nukes the fridge when they kill Fitz. The End. Season 5 is terrible and the beginning of Season 6 isn't great. However, the end of Season 6 and the entirety of Season 7 is amazing. I hope you watched through the end of the series?
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scr0llwheel posted:Season 5 is terrible and the beginning of Season 6 isn't great. However, the end of Season 6 and the entirety of Season 7 is amazing. I hope you watched through the end of the series? The problem with those parts of the show is that anything that had to do with the West Wing was loving boring. I skip ahead to the campaign parts.
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Mu Zeta posted:The problem with those parts of the show is that anything that had to do with the West Wing was loving boring. I skip ahead to the campaign parts. Good point. The shuttle subplot was horrible.
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Mu Zeta posted:The problem with those parts of the show is that anything that had to do with the West Wing was loving boring. I skip ahead to the campaign parts. Yeah I've watched the entire series at least 3 times now (Season 1-4 more than that), and the show I want to watch is CJ being flustered, The President and Charlie trading quips and being snarky, Donna getting the best of Josh at every exchange, Leo looking at you sternly until you realize you just TMI'd and Toby being  and yelling. Also Ainsley > *
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TheBigBad posted:Yeah I've watched the entire series at least 3 times now (Season 1-4 more than that), and the show I want to watch is CJ being flustered, The President and Charlie trading quips and being snarky, Donna getting the best of Josh at every exchange, Leo looking at you sternly until you realize you just TMI'd and Toby being They really trash Toby and CJ's (especially Toby) characters in the last season - I love the campaign, but it's sad that the writers couldn't come up with a better reason to cut Toby's episodes down instead of having him do something completely out of character...I dunno. I still enjoy it, but it's sorta disappointing.
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TheBigBad posted:Yeah I've watched the entire series at least 3 times now (Season 1-4 more than that), and the show I want to watch is CJ being flustered, The President and Charlie trading quips and being snarky, Donna getting the best of Josh at every exchange, Leo looking at you sternly until you realize you just TMI'd and Toby being Yeah, when it comes right down to it, you're absolutely right. The campaign stuff in seasons 6 and 7 are a very good show, but it's not The West WingTM to me anymore. I love watching it, but when I talk about how much I love The West Wing, I'm always thinking about the first 4 seasons.
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I know I'm in the minority but I liked the dynamic of CJ being the CoS and Leo pottering around in the background. I would have been happy with an extra season in there of the cast staying in those roles as it would have hopefully still been entertaining with just that switch up. However CJ moving up was just the start of the shuffle that left CJ, Charlie and the cat pretty much running the entire building by the end of season 7. The "problem" was just how fast it changed from what it had been to the campaign storyline. The campaign storyline even ran off with Annabeth when everyone knows every episode with her and CJ side by side in the corridor was great TV. "It's hard to believe we're the same species!" 
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Season 7 was easily as good as anything in the first four. Just very different.
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Fazana posted:I know I'm in the minority but I liked the dynamic of CJ being the CoS and Leo pottering around in the background. I would have been happy with an extra season in there of the cast staying in those roles as it would have hopefully still been entertaining with just that switch up. However CJ moving up was just the start of the shuffle that left CJ, Charlie and the cat pretty much running the entire building by the end of season 7. The "problem" was just how fast it changed from what it had been to the campaign storyline. I appreciate it for the sake of the characters, but the drama and performance gets wrecked. I always attributed the overhaul to Sorkins departure,but I'm beginning to wonder if Rob Lowe had a bigger impact than anyone would really acknowledge. Without him to center things in the west wing, in the communications dept it feels like they had to go somewhere else.
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Will sucking big time was a big problem for me. I hated him so much.
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Season seven has been a life-saver for me on multiple occasions. Used a big chunk of it (from about the point where Donna joins the team) to distract myself through two cross-country flights (I hate flying). My enjoyment of the show was only halted by my lack of battery life at the end of the flights!
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gohuskies posted:Will sucking big time was a big problem for me. I hated him so much. Aw I love Will, but I hate that he went to work for the VP - I wanted Toby to keep picking on him while begrudgingly realize that he wasn't so bad.  I think I'm probably in the minority, but I also liked his awkwardsauce relationship in the last season with whats-her-face military lady.
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marchantia posted:I think I'm probably in the minority, but I also liked his awkwardsauce relationship in the last season with whats-her-face military lady. If you're in the minority, then I'm right there with you. I thought the relationship angle was cute.
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Reading through this thread reminded me that the "Crime, boy I don't know" line never really made sense to me. I just can't imagine a reason that anyone would have to say it like that. Were they only implying he was stupid? Or that he didn't believe the story or something? It really just seems like a line that makes no sense even in context of the character.
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gohuskies posted:Will sucking big time was a big problem for me. I hated him so much. It was interesting how in the space of a season he went from an idealistic hero campaigning (and winning) with a dead candidate, to settling for Bingo Bob. He just seems like two different characters- the first I liked, the second one I hated. Also his voice was annoying- it sounded perpetually whiny.
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I find myself asking from time to time while watching the news, "What would Josiah Bartlett do?"
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Superrodan posted:Reading through this thread reminded me that the "Crime, boy I don't know" line never really made sense to me. I just can't imagine a reason that anyone would have to say it like that. Were they only implying he was stupid? Or that he didn't believe the story or something? WoG fucked around with this message at 10:03 on Nov 12, 2011 |
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Plucky Brit posted:It was interesting how in the space of a season he went from an idealistic hero campaigning (and winning) with a dead candidate, to settling for Bingo Bob. He just seems like two different characters- the first I liked, the second one I hated. Also his voice was annoying- it sounded perpetually whiny. Also hate his justification going there, that Leo and the President much of saw greatness in Bob Russell. Even thought he knew from the very start he was the Republican's pick because he'd never get elected.
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Midnight- posted:Also hate his justification going there, that Leo and the President much of saw greatness in Bob Russell. Even thought he knew from the very start he was the Republican's pick because he'd never get elected. I don't think anyone ever actually told him that, he genuinely thought that the White House had picked Russell as VP because they saw something in him.
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HanabaL03 posted:I find myself asking from time to time while watching the news, "What would Josiah Bartlett do?" I find its much more interesting to ask 'What would Margaret do?'
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BklynBruzer posted:I don't think anyone ever actually told him that, he genuinely thought that the White House had picked Russell as VP because they saw something in him. But he and Toby wrote that joke speech about how terrible he is, how mediocre and all that (the speech that accidentally ended up on the teleprompter). So Will knew he was an idiot.
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WoG posted:Ritchie is needling the president about his liberal, "soft-on-crime" position being perhaps responsible for things like secret service agents getting shot in convenience store robberies. Wow, I did not get that. I just thought Bartlett wanted to beat him because he seemed stupider than dirt with that answer. I don't think I'm cut out to be a politician 
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brylcreem posted:Wow, I did not get that. I just thought Bartlett wanted to beat him because he seemed stupider than dirt with that answer. I'm with you, I thought Ritchie was essentially saying, "Crime - wow that's a horrible problem and I really have no idea what to do about it." If he had his own agenda on it, Bartlet would have respected that, but since he's just an idiot that wants to be president - gently caress 'im.
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Captain Equinox posted:I'm with you, I thought Ritchie was essentially saying, "Crime - wow that's a horrible problem and I really have no idea what to do about it." He was painted as an obvious caricature of Bush jr.
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Which season was it where Josh and Toby get into a fist fight in an office? Man that was retarded. Also I'm re-watching some of the season 6 episodes and I forgot how great Alan Alda was on the show. One of my favorite scenes is just him and Bartlett having a conversation while eating ice cream and Aaron Sorkin had nothing to do with it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulk3hDwxnmg Mu Zeta fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Nov 13, 2011 |
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Mu Zeta posted:Which season was it where Josh and Toby get into a fist fight in an office? Man that was retarded. Season 6 episode Drought Conditions, which other than the 30 second fight scene is a great episode.
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I'm about to head deep into Season 5 in my latest rewatch. Someone please say some kind words over my remains if I'm unable to survive.
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I just finished 'Separation of Powers'. My god, that "boom boom bang!" at the end is stupid! And what's with the lighting and camera work?! Matthew Perry did great, though.
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gohuskies posted:Will sucking big time was a big problem for me. I hated him so much. I can't stand the actor on anything, I didn't like him in Sports Night either. He always comes off like some guy they grabbed from the street 5 minutes before production because another actor quit. His character in The West Wing wasn't particularly well written either and bounces around all over the place while they struggled to find footing after the Sorkin blowup. Worst of all they replaced a good principle cast member with him and I've always felt Rob Lowe was one of the best parts of the show. It's kind of funny because I had never liked Rob Lowe in pretty much anything until TWW.
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jeffersonlives posted:Season 6 episode Drought Conditions, which other than the 30 second fight scene is a great episode. Then I guess I'm in the minority thinking that fight scene was not stupid at all. The whole situation was built up to pretty well, since Toby had been pissed off at Josh for quite a while. It's not really a "fist-fight" either. I don't know, I've never been in a fight except once with one of my friends, and the situation looked and developed pretty much like this one.
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DominoDancing posted:Then I guess I'm in the minority thinking that fight scene was not stupid at all. The whole situation was built up to pretty well, since Toby had been pissed off at Josh for quite a while. It's not really a "fist-fight" either. I don't know, I've never been in a fight except once with one of my friends, and the situation looked and developed pretty much like this one. I agree. It's set up quite nicely over the seasons that Toby & Josh get along (just about) in a professional relationship, but that that's the extent of it (see '20 Hours In America' for the most concrete proof). They also have very different motivations for what they do. Josh feels more responsibility towards Leo, while Toby's intentions are always more influenced by ideology than politics (consider his political career prior to Bartlet). Leo explicitly tells Josh to go and find a candidate who's worthy of being President, but he doesn't mention Toby. Toby's pride (["Are you good at it?"] "Yeah, I'm very good at it.") means he'd never quit Bartlet's administration or ask Josh if he could join in, but that doesn't mean he isn't seething about being overlooked. He was part of the reason Josh decided to sign on with Bartlet (["You said he should piss off the dairy farmers."] "I said he should, if only because it's the easiest thing to remember, tell the truth.") and my guess is that he remembers that quite well. He's pissed off because Josh doesn't recognise that fact. I think it actually works better for Santos that Toby isn't officially part of his staff. Toby worked well for Bartlet because he's the morally pure angel/demon on his shoulder, but Santos is - from what we're shown - someone who's pragmatically, rather than dogmatically, Christian. poo poo, Santos is based on Obama. Can you imagine someone like Toby working for Obama?
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kingturnip posted:Can you imagine someone like Toby working for Obama? What do you mean imagine? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel
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