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Pastrymancy posted:Oh gently caress you I read this in a dark room at 11:57 pm. Cal has been moving Bro the entire time.
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Cavatica posted:Cal has been moving Bro the entire time. Except when it was Gamzee moving him.
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Oct 31, 2011 05:08
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Fortis posted:Except when it was Gamzee moving him. You mean when he was moving Gamzee.
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Oct 31, 2011 05:12
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Ammat The Ankh posted:You mean when he was moving Gamzee. Turns out Gamzee coming off of his sopor slime addiction wasn't what made him flip out. 
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Oct 31, 2011 05:20
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You know, we never did find out how Cal got to the Veil...
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Oct 31, 2011 05:22
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As I said before on 10/24, I'm trying to improve my lovely music I started making a month ago by drawing some inspiration from Homestuck. Nowhere near as good as other fanmusic others have created, but oh well. Supposed to be about The 4 kids finally meeting up. Starting with John’s piano, then Rose’s violin, Jade’s flute, and finally coming in with some Sick Strider Beetz.
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Oct 31, 2011 05:26
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What are the horrorterrors is reasonably far down the list of the questions outstanding. The entire situation of Homestuck, even within the parameters of the comic, is still a mostly unexplored mystery. What is the game, what was it originally intended to do. What is Lord English, his cohorts, and the Green Sun; and are they an in built feature of the game or some sort of emergent corruption or some sort of invasive contagion. From what we've been presented so far Lord English and his Green Sun to me appear to be acting like a inevitably fatal viral parasite on the universal Game. Without the Green Sun the game would probably happily be creating universes in an infinite procession, with it the created universes are consumed to power the next iteration of the viral contagion into future universe.
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Oct 31, 2011 05:27
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Walliard posted:You know, we never did find out how Cal got to the Veil...
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Oct 31, 2011 05:27
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Wasn't Dream Cal able to move by himself? Is that a property of Derse/Dave's fear or can Cal actually do that wherever? Just a part that confused me.
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Oct 31, 2011 05:28
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Oh gently caress I looked at the track art for Serenade and now I'm sad 
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Walliard posted:You know, we never did find out how Cal got to the Veil... Gamzee manifests cal into Dave's nightmares -> Rose throws Cal out a window -> Cal is sent through a meteor with Bro -> Cal is cut to pieces during their fight -> Bro repairs cal, repaired cal taken by Jack when he kills bro -> Jack throws Cal at an aradiabot during his entrance into the troll session -> aradiabot malfunctions and teleports back in time to alternia -> cal is found and repaired by kanaya and hangs out in the troll session until it winds up in a chest on the meteor -> Gamzee finds Cal. There you go.
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Oct 31, 2011 05:30
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Ice_Mallet posted:Wasn't Dream Cal able to move by himself? Is that a property of Derse/Dave's fear or can Cal actually do that wherever? Just a part that confused me. Dream Cal could move by himself (and possibly talk, Dave mentions him talking in his dreams) but lost those properties when he became a part of the "real world" because in it, puppets can't move or talk without human assistance.
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Oct 31, 2011 05:33
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President Ark posted:Gamzee manifests cal into Dave's nightmares -> Rose throws Cal out a window -> Cal is sent through a meteor with Bro -> Cal is cut to pieces during their fight -> Bro repairs cal, repaired cal taken by Jack when he kills bro -> Jack throws Cal at an aradiabot during his entrance into the troll session -> aradiabot malfunctions and teleports back in time to alternia -> cal is found and repaired by kanaya and hangs out in the troll session until it winds up in a chest on the meteor -> Gamzee finds Cal. I was referring mainly to the Kanaya's hive -> Meteor step, but I guess Gamzee could've just randomly stopped by, picked him up, and forgot.
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Oct 31, 2011 05:34
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Walliard posted:I was referring mainly to the Kanaya's hive -> Meteor step, but I guess Gamzee could've just randomly stopped by, picked him up, and forgot. With the way Kanaya's fetch modus works, he was probably just in storage for a while until she found a key, was like "oh I guess he should be here" and put him in a place where Gamzee would easily find him.
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Oct 31, 2011 05:35
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Captain Oblivious posted:Oh gently caress I looked at the track art for Serenade and now I'm sad Galactic Cancer's is kind of a huge downer, too.
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Oxxidation posted:Galactic Cancer's is kind of a huge downer, too. Noooo 
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Captain Oblivious posted:Noooo Listen to Escape Pod or I'm a Member of the Midnight Crew to cheer yourself back up  No really, Escape Pod has to be some of the most fun music to come out yet. It's great on the road, too.
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creationist believer posted:Personally, my issue is that J = post-reset Grandpa Harley has been the obvious answer for so long, and it's only been reinforced by the story of the player-ancestor reversal of the trolls. It feels like a setup like Scratch's "My guest is already here. Of course it's Spades Slick, who did you expect?" I kind of think it's a distaction, or at least right in an obvious way and wrong in an important way. I've been kind of thinking this too. It just reminds me of when everyone thought that Lord English would be the one at the end of the Troll session. Or hell, that the Tumor would do something other than create the Green Sun. I'm not saying it's impossible but it seems like the sort of thing Andrew would take in a different direction. vvvv oh nooooooo Boneless Jogger fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Oct 31, 2011 |
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Oct 31, 2011 06:48
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creationist believer posted:Personally, my issue is that J = post-reset Grandpa Harley has been the obvious answer for so long, and it's only been reinforced by the story of the player-ancestor reversal of the trolls. It feels like a setup like Scratch's "My guest is already here. Of course it's Spades Slick, who did you expect?" I kind of think it's a distaction, or at least right in an obvious way and wrong in an important way. im not into this but genderbent kids its all gone wrong
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Waffnuffly posted:Listen to Escape Pod or I'm a Member of the Midnight Crew to cheer yourself back up You can't talk about uppers without mentioning Homefree.
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Maybe I'm coming out of left field here, but I'm not as convinced as everyone else seems to be that "J" is the scratch-reset grandpa Harley. There's never really been any strong evidence to suggest it in my mind other than the 'supposedly being Jade's grandson' thing, and while that seems like a pretty strong clue and all, we still have no idea where these communications between jade and J are coming from/going to. How are they crossing between pre- and post-scratch versions of the kids' universe? I realize time is a big clusterfuck of temporal mechanics and all in this comic and the entire timelines of separate universes can exist independently of each other, but then this isn't two different universes we're talking about, this is two versions of the SAME universe (which isn't the same thing), one of which didn't exist until the other was destroyed. We've seen nothing whatsoever (concrete anyway) regarding a way the two versions of the kids' universe could send communiqués to each other. Hell, for all we know there won't BE a reset universe because maybe the tumor bomb went off before the Scratch took effect and the kids' universe is gone for good. I mean don't get me wrong, there's a pretty solid chance it is indeed a Scratch-reset version of grandpa Harley, I just don't think it's nearly as much of a sure thing as everyone else seems to. Is it really so hard to believe that it's just good old-fashioned regular time fuckery at play here and Jade's been conversing with her real genuine grandson from the future? CidGregor fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Oct 31, 2011 |
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CidGregor posted:Hell, for all we know there won't BE a reset universe because maybe the tumor bomb went off before the Scratch took effect and the kids' universe is gone for good. The tumor used the energy of the destruction of our universe, but only at one point (the final point) in our universe's time line. The past of our universe still exists. Or rather, continues to have existed. Bilious Slick in the Trolls session (our entire universe, past present and future) was killed by Jack's Red Miles, but only at one point in time- the exile's time. We saw Red Miles creeping into the universe as Jack and PM left for the trolls universe. That's 413 years in the future relative to when the kids play, or when their guardians would play. (Likewise, the trolls' universe was destroyed in their exiles' time too, long after the trolls' session. I liked that parallel.) The only thing that makes this a bit awkward is that the Scratch seems to reset not just the game session, but the whole universe, as the Trolls' Scratch seemed to indicate. ... Actually that just doesn't make sense period. How could the universe be destroyed and reset at the same time? Or rather, how could the universe be reset at one point in time and years later (but not many) be destroyed? I mean, clearly the things that destroyed the universe were not a consequence of the post-Scratch timeline so... what's going on there?
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Eiba posted:... Actually that just doesn't make sense period. How could the universe be destroyed and reset at the same time? Or rather, how could the universe be reset at one point in time and years later (but not many) be destroyed? I mean, clearly the things that destroyed the universe were not a consequence of the post-Scratch timeline so... what's going on there? So although the circumstances leading to his existence were wiped away, he would still be around to destroy the now-reset universe frog.
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Eiba posted:... Actually that just doesn't make sense period. How could the universe be destroyed and reset at the same time? Or rather, how could the universe be reset at one point in time and years later (but not many) be destroyed? I mean, clearly the things that destroyed the universe were not a consequence of the post-Scratch timeline so... what's going on there? It actually makes quite a lot of sense when you consider that the destruction of the kids' universe was external. Quite simply: since Bec Noir was no longer inside the kids' universe, the Scratch does not affect him, much as it does not affect Dave and Rose (who are at the Green Sun), or Jade and John (who left via the fourth wall before the Scratch finished), or any of the trolls (except possibly the Condesce). The circumstances of Bec Noir's creation no longer exist, but since he is no longer in the kids' universe, it doesn't matter.
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In the same way that John can both die (jetpacking into the Denizen's lair) and be saved (by Davesprite) at the same time I guess. Think of almost everything (depending on how much the Scratch resets) we've seen so far of the Kid's universe/session as being one big Beta timeline. Compare it to Davesprite's creation, or the Beta Aradia's story of Gamzee going insane early: -Jacks ascension <=> John derping into the Denizen portal <=> Gamzee slaughtering everyone -Activating the Scratch <=> Beta Dave going back <=> Beta Aradia going back -??????????<=> Beta Dave becomes Davesprite; stops John <=> Aradia makes sure Karkat runs the code -The Kids being outside their universe <=> Rose going to sleep and some of her memories persisting/Dave becoming doomed <=> Aradia becoming doomed So yeah, the universe gets destroyed, but not across all timelines or at all points of time. If someone were to time travel to prevent the events that led to its destruction, then it'd just be a particularly nasty end to a Beta timeline I guess. How exactly you'd prevent that I don't know but that's the gist of things I think.
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Those make a lot of sense, but hey theory making is fun so I'll throw out another one. It might be another glitch, like the pre-scratch troll session had. If Bilious Slick doesn't exist, how can their universe exist? I don't really know how that'd work, though.
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Boneless Jogger posted:Those make a lot of sense, but hey theory making is fun so I'll throw out another one. It might be another glitch, like the pre-scratch troll session had. If Bilious Slick doesn't exist, how can their universe exist? I don't really know how that'd work, though. That's also simple, and can be answered in two ways: 1) Assuming Bilious Slick still exists, but was killed by Red Miles: Slick wasn't always dead, so his history still remains. His history, in this case, being the post-Scratch universe (and everything before it.) The pre-Scratch universe happened, and things emerged from Slick as a result, but as far as he is concerned, there's just the post-Scratch universe. 2) Assuming Bilious Slick no longer exists as a result of Red Miles: he may not exist anymore, but that is not the same thing as him never having existed. For a while, he didn't exist, then the trolls created him and he became a universe. For a while, he was the post-Scratch universe (the pre-Scratch universe was overwritten by the post-Scratch universe, so it effectively does not exist, while things that escaped from it do because of the reasons outlined in the past few posts). Very simple.
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I think a session's incipisphere is seperate to and outside of its host universe, although they are obviously connected. John and Jade escape the hard reboot of their incipisphere and Sburb session (which would influence their original universe if it still existed), not Jack's destruction of the kid's universe. Its undetermined whether a host universe being eliminated has an effect on the associated incipisphere.
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I wonder if there is a generally accepted animal that devours frogs, the way lions do deers and such. Keeping thematical sense and all, would kinda narrow down Lord English? Wonder if we'll ever see him at all, but don't really mind either outcome.
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King of Solomon posted:...or any of the trolls (except possibly the Condesce). This is actually an interesting point. Assuming the Scratch does go through in something resembling a normal manner (and Hussie has explicitly said that the hard reset did happen, although he hasn't clarified how the death of the universe affects this) and assuming that Betty Crocker is indeed the Condesce, how does the Scratch affect her? The easy answer would be that she just wouldn't be there because she came in from outside, I suppose. The question might be made moot by her disappearance, anyway. We don't know what the deal was with that; she vanished from Nanna's life well before the kids' meteors arrived, but then this might also have been her. (If not, that would have had to be Grandpa or someone working for him, which would have interesting implications.) But if she was gone by the time the game began, there are a few options: she might have just been allowed to die, of course, her task complete... or she might have crossed over to the reset timeline before anyone else did, on LE's orders. (Assuming that he's already there, of course, and that this kind of transfer is possible - the latter part, at least, would follow if J. is reset Grandpa.) ArfJason posted:I wonder if there is a generally accepted animal that devours frogs, the way lions do deers and such. Keeping thematical sense and all, would kinda narrow down Lord English? Storks. (Fitting that he'd involve himself with the process of universe-birthing, too.)
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Hamiltonian Bicycle posted:Storks. (Fitting that he'd involve himself with the process of universe-birthing, too.) That would explain the freakishly tall coat as well. Though it worries me a bit how easy it is to picture a stork playing pool. Not with arms or anything, just a regular stork like all holding the cue in its claws and jumping around on the table to line up a shot.
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I stand by my 'theory' (read: blind hope) that Lord English is actually DMK. Just because I want to see Problem Sleuth actually recognized by the giant, bloated fandom that is Homestuck. Unrelated: Is anyone else actually kind of excited to see what kind of HS fan flashes come out of NG? There might actually be one or two talented folks still hanging around there among the billions of zerglings festering and laughing at the same four jokes over and over. girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Oct 31, 2011 |
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Colon V posted:I stand by my 'theory' (read: blind hope) that Lord English is actually DMK. Just because I want to see Problem Sleuth actually recognized by the giant, bloated fandom that is Homestuck. I sort of like this idea. DMK could have been some game construct that just got absolutely corrupted/hosed up. Secretly Problem Sleuth was actually a prototype of Sburb or some world that got mutated into this self-perpetuating game.
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Eiba posted:Well, we know this isn't the case. The issue here is that you're thinking with straightforward narrative time, when it's a good deal more complex than that. The nature/status of the kids' Bilious Slick after the scratch is probably what I am most interested in at the moment.
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Oxyclean posted:I sort of like this idea. Mspaintadventures.com is literally the Furthest Ring. Roger Explosion fucked around with this message at 13:46 on Oct 31, 2011 |
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Oct 31, 2011 12:45
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This would be a great place for a terrible "furthest webring" joke if this story were being told 10-15 years ago. Count your blessings.Nate RFB posted:Why does that only affect the very end of the universe rather than all points? Because it ends the universe, so whenever it happens to happen is when the end of the universe is. I guess that only shifts the question to why it would be that particular point in time, one possible answer to which is that that's when Jack left that universe. But I definitely agree that it's a bit confusing and the Scratch makes it more so. Will the reset universe also be destroyed by the same means at the same point on its timeline? At a different point, as
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Oxyclean posted:Secretly Problem Sleuth was actually a prototype of Sburb or some world that got mutated into this self-perpetuating game. My theory is that the pink moon of alternia is Problem Sleuth's "Imaginary" world, the little pink moon is the four kingdoms, and the green moon is the "real" world.
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Speaking of the giant bloated fandom, I was recently asked by a couple of con-organizer friends what this Homestuck business was all about. They'd seen the ridiculous increase in HS costumes, and wanted to figure out how to capitalize on it (for panels and such). I gave the overall synopsis and mentioned the dozen troll characters, which was met with, "I honestly can't tel a difference. They all look kind of alike. Zodiac symbol shirts, grey skin, and either long or short hair. As far as I can tell there's a male version, a female version, & that's the extent of variety." That brought up an interesting perspective. All the trolls are so well-characterized by their dialogue, that their appearance is kind of secondary. It's not really a problem for the reader, but a few dozen costumers start to blend together. Especially compared to the usual anime costume fare, where bright colors and green hair make one character distinguishable from another, and the dialogue/characterization kind of runs together. Of course, it could also be the result of lazy kids buying WP shirts and grey paint and leaving it at that. It still seemed like an interesting perspective.
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Amateur Sketch posted:I gave the overall synopsis and mentioned the dozen troll characters, which was met with, "I honestly can't tel a difference. They all look kind of alike. Zodiac symbol shirts, grey skin, and either long or short hair. As far as I can tell there's a male version, a female version, & that's the extent of variety." That's a really strange perspective. I agree that the chatlogs do a lot to characterise the characters, but each of the troll's individual typing quirks can also be adapted to their clothes. Their outfits are varied enough that even to the casual observer, they should be able to tell the difference between say, Vriska and Feferi, or Karkat and Equius. Same with the kids really. It's actually quite interesting how well characterised the sprites are with only a few small cosmetic changes, especially with the kids when it was mostly monochrome. At least the trolls have a certain style or colours associated with them.
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Radio Paranoia posted:That's a really strange perspective. I agree that the chatlogs do a lot to characterise the characters, but each of the troll's individual typing quirks can also be adapted to their clothes. Their outfits are varied enough that even to the casual observer, they should be able to tell the difference between say, Vriska and Feferi, or Karkat and Equius. It sounded to me like the guy was commenting on the cosplayers specifically and hasn't even looked at the actual trolls. I can understand that perspective 100%, since most cosplayers don't really look that different in a huge group shot if you aren't familiar with the material.
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