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Hanks Lust Cafe posted:
I'm kind of curious about what this "predicted" form of LE was supposed to be. Anyone have a link?
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Oxygen Deficiency posted:I'm kind of curious about what this "predicted" form of LE was supposed to be. Anyone have a link? The most popular interpretation that I saw was just an empty void in space (like the energy flashes that First Guardians go through, only black instead of green) wearing the coat, with the pool-ball eyes as his only discernible feature. Can't find any pictures of it, though.
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Nov 2, 2011 19:09
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Oxygen Deficiency posted:
see: Every instance of Lord English fanart before the reveal    Tall, dark and handsome 
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Nov 2, 2011 19:16
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Hanks Lust Cafe posted:see: Every instance of Lord English fanart before the reveal The first two are kinda cool and the first isn't even THAT far off in some ways, but the third? What the gently caress, it doesn't even make sense. And it looks dumb.
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Nov 2, 2011 19:19
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Hanks Lust Cafe posted:see: Every instance of Lord English fanart before the reveal Well, at least the top one has a demonic skullface (also I think it's goon-made.) Just completely lost it at LORDU ENGURISU at the bottom, though. He's just like something out of one of my Japanese animes 
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Nov 2, 2011 19:20
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No, gently caress you guys, Lord English is horrific. Also this is probably just the beginning and he will probably mutate into some Gigas-esque formless mostly-green-but-tinged-with-the-color-of-every-billiard-ball all-consuming cloud at some juncture too, and the cloud is actually the size of the entire universe. And it contains everything that has ever existed or ever will exist.
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Nov 2, 2011 19:24
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I like the middle one of those, at least, but it, and I imagine a lot of the other theoretical LE designs, is in keeping with the idea that Doc Scratch and Lord English are two gentlemen who 'play by the rules'. It's been demonstrated that this is a load of bullshit, and that they're a manipulative creep who lies by omission and a monster who cheats existence itself. 'Dapper' doesn't work for LE, knowing that. The third one is just stupid. edit: he's even crying, like the artist imagined some tragic anime backstory for him, it's literally making me angry to look at this 
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Nov 2, 2011 19:24
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Gabriel Pope posted:Well, at least the top one has a demonic skullface (also I think it's goon-made.) Yeah, top one's actually not far off from what the real one turned out to be--an ugly green motherfucker who fits inside an enormous coat
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Nov 2, 2011 19:25
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I was getting flashbacks to Super Metroid while LE was HONKing with that screaming face. All I could hear in my head was the Mother Brain scream, which I suppose is appropriately terrifying and cacophonous. When Jade and John get to the far side of the other wall, they may want to check their ship to make sure no sarcophagi have mysteriously appeared in the hold...
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Nov 2, 2011 19:26
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I kind of like the rainbow fire design, even if it doesn't make a lick of goddamn sense in context. It just looks pretty.  The other two are a creepy Felt clone who looks kind of like he came out of a '50s sci-fi movie and has really awkward eyes and what appears to be a rail-car-hobo hat, and some kind of John/Karkat/Sepulchritude/Bleach pastiche ripped straight from the fanfics, respectively. Pass. I dunno, for one thing we've already HAD a dapper 1920s-themed villain, and we haven't had any muscular characters at all. For another thing, now that he's done hulking out, who's to say he's not going to spend twenty minutes out of his eternity in the Alternia universe getting himself some clothes that fit?
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Nov 2, 2011 19:26
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yellowyams posted:People saying that Lord English is killing the horrorterrors should keep in mind that they are the ones who gave Dave the directions that led him and Rose to a point in time before the green sun existed and they are basically complicit in its creation for reasons that we don't know yet. They should also keep in mind that the squiddles and skipper plumbthroat aren't on friendly terms.
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Nov 2, 2011 19:26
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"Dapper" fits the existing motif for Doc Scratch and the Felt, so it's a reasonable prediction. But actually getting mad and feeling betrayed because your fan speculation was contradicted is hilarious.
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Nov 2, 2011 19:28
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The problem with making Lord English a tall Doc Scratch is that it's boring, and that every single person in the fandom subscribed to either that interpretation or the Big Cal theory. e. Thundarr posted:I was getting flashbacks to Super Metroid while LE was HONKing with that screaming face. All I could hear in my head was the Mother Brain scream, which I suppose is appropriately terrifying and cacophonous. Yes, totally!! Lord English's design is Super Metroid as gently caress. net cafe scandal fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Nov 2, 2011 |
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Nov 2, 2011 19:28
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Hanks Lust Cafe posted:If I recall correctly this design was from some fan adventure of dubious quality where the author had it in his head that it was semi canonical because he asked Hussie about some things. Can't find any information about it but I'm pretty sure it ended in some drama. ActionZero fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Nov 2, 2011 |
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Nov 2, 2011 19:30
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Boneless Jogger posted:There was another ~ATH file on John's computer at the beginning of the story, but who knows if it is actually important or not. Homestuck: There's always something you've missed, no matter how many times you've read it.
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Nov 2, 2011 19:32
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Hanks Lust Cafe posted:Big Cal theory. Well we did kind of end up with a Big Cal. I do like the observation that Lord English is the Mr Hyde to Scratch's Doc Jekyll.
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Nov 2, 2011 19:44
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loquacius posted:For another thing, now that he's done hulking out, who's to say he's not going to spend twenty minutes out of his eternity in the Alternia universe getting himself some clothes that fit? Hahaha, that would be amazing. "You are now LORD ENGLISH." 
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Nov 2, 2011 19:45
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Alectai posted:Yeah, top one's actually not far off from what the real one turned out to be--an ugly green motherfucker who fits inside an enormous coat ActionZero posted:If I recall correctly this design was from some fan adventure of dubious quality where the author had it in his head that it was semi canonical because he asked Hussie about some things. Can't find any information about it but I'm pretty sure it ended in some drama.
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Nov 2, 2011 19:48
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I scribbled that top one, yeah.  And I'm firmly of the opinion that the middle one rocks. I was, in fact, expecting English to look at least a little dapper because, well, look at the rest of the Felt! I love the official design, though. We're talking about a demon, after all! A crimelord and a pimp, but also an eldritch demon nonetheless. Plus, the flash was amazing; right up there with Cascade, I think.Now it only needs a pimp hat. A nice suit wouldn't hurt too. I mean, when he spoke to the Handmaid, he didn't sound like a complete hulking monster, so who knows what will happen now? I can guarantee you that sooner or later, though, disgustingly beautiful designs will start spawning from the depths of DeviantART, made by those who can't live without their yaois. It is the Internet and there are facts that we just have to accept.
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Nov 2, 2011 19:57
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I kinda expected him to look more demonic than a skull and being hulk huge. Like something lovecraftian or giygas like. Maybe it'll happen if he has another form! who knows! Also at some point I wondered if LE would end up being the evil version of God Pickle inspector who doesn't just fondle creation.
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Nov 2, 2011 19:58
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Zereth posted:If I remember correctly he made the original Problem Sleuth "Summon the Midnight Crew" donation command or something like that. This gave me enough information to find the drat thing. Here it is. At some point towards the end he seems to go a bit off the deep end and tries to report every post he doesn't like. Can't actually find a picture of Lord English in it (with a very quick flick through) so I may have been getting mixed up.
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Nov 2, 2011 20:15
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Gabriel Pope posted:The staticky magical girls seem a lot more ominous now that we know more about Lord English's proclivities. The new session is going to be the Squiddles universe, isn't it. With those magical girl things as the players.
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Nov 2, 2011 20:21
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ActionZero posted:This gave me enough information to find the drat thing. Here it is. At some point towards the end he seems to go a bit off the deep end and tries to report every post he doesn't like. Can't actually find a picture of Lord English in it (with a very quick flick through) so I may have been getting mixed up. Yeah that picture doesn't have anything to do with Professor's story. I don't know where it comes from but it's a different thing.
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Nov 2, 2011 20:26
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Hanks Lust Cafe posted:Surprisingly kindred to what we saw in the flash. Hanks Lust Cafe posted:Sure, he had a conversation with Hussie.. then watched way too much Bleach.
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Nov 2, 2011 20:45
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Hanks Lust Cafe posted:see: Every instance of Lord English fanart before the reveal I actually really like this because my mental image had always been the Nazgul Witch King from the only Rankin/Bass Return of the King movie with pool balls for eyes.
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Nov 2, 2011 21:15
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Hanks Lust Cafe posted:Lord English = Harry Potter CONFIRMED
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Nov 2, 2011 21:28
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Dr Christmas posted:Since we already have a character who can instantly travel through space, can react nearly instantly, and destroy universes with a gesture, I wonder how Hussie will establish Lord English as the big threat? I hope it'll be better than a DBZ-style "Everyone moves clouds and shreds mountains when they power up, but when this guy does it, they act concerned." Lord English exists in a self-fulfilling circle. He cannot be "beaten" because he's a timeless universe hopping demon. He's BEEN there. He'll BE there. You know how a lot of weird stuff happens inevitably because it has to happen that way for the alpha timeline to continue? Lord English's will essentially is the Alpha Timeline as far as we can tell right now. That's kind of a big deal. You don't have to be "Goku" or whatever to be literally invincible because causality demands it (because he demands causality to be that way?) It's the same way that the God Tiers can't be beat unless they do something Heroic but Successful/ Nefarious. The alpha timeline won't allow it, so all "lethal" blows will end up missing or random things will happen that will cause him to survive. All the bullets fired at him will miss, Jack will have a heartattack if he attacks him, whatever. It's like "Final Destination" except in reverse, and it's been written in the very essence of the universe. Zorak fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Nov 2, 2011 |
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Nov 2, 2011 21:34
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Obviously the only real way to defeat LE is using needles the size of a skyscraper to impale him.
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Nov 2, 2011 21:38
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Ainsworth posted:Obviously the only real way to defeat LE is using needles the size of a skyscraper to impale him. One thing is for sure, his defeat will come in a Flash video with a 12 out-of-chronological-order jump cuts per second, and then a blog post telling us that it was completely obvious what happened and you'd have to be a big dumb baby to register the slightest bit of confusion. Well, not really! But that sure seems to be the trend ever since Act 5 with every big ticket [S] page.
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Nov 2, 2011 21:41
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One interesting side benefit of all 4 human players becoming god-tier is that they no longer have to save each others lives and risk dying heroically. Of course then they muck it up by entering a universe chock full of new non-god-tier characters.
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Nov 2, 2011 21:54
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Snollygoster posted:One thing is for sure, his defeat will come in a Flash video with a 12 out-of-chronological-order jump cuts per second, and then a blog post telling us that it was completely obvious what happened and you'd have to be a big dumb baby to register the slightest bit of confusion. To be fair, Cascade was pretty easy to understand. The only thing I didn't catch the first time on my own was that Dave and Rose created the Green Sun, but I would have figured that out after rewatching even if no one had mentioned it. Compare that to Descend, where it was REALLY easy to just step back and go "holy crap what"
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Nov 2, 2011 21:56
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I have a feeling the people who think Cascade was hard to understand are the same sort of people who called Inception a mindfuck.
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Nov 2, 2011 22:28
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NextTime000 posted:His head reminds me of Jigsaw A game involving being forced to draw Muppet Babies porn? 
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Nov 2, 2011 22:31
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Zorak posted:It's the same way that the God Tiers can't be beat unless they do something Heroic but Successful/ Nefarious. The alpha timeline won't allow it, so all "lethal" blows will end up missing or random things will happen that will cause him to survive. All the bullets fired at him will miss, Jack will have a heartattack if he attacks him, whatever. It's like "Final Destination" except in reverse, and it's been written in the very essence of the universe. Am I remembering wrong, or does Skaia just ressurect killed god tiers (unless the death is heroic / just), not prevent / alter any events that would lead to them being killed / harmed? Or do you mean that they're just too powerful to kill? (Because that might not be a problem for Jade / Lord English, given they're both set up to be more powerful than Jack, and he's been shown to be powerful enough to easily kill (John) / be on about the same level as (Vriska) two of the three god tiers he's come across, and the third had to run away.) e: well, i guess they wouldn't stay dead unless they fell into the heoirc / just category, but either way it doesn't seem like the alpha timeline is doing anything in particular to stop those types of deaths happening (see: Vriska) Clean Your Teeth fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Nov 2, 2011 |
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Nov 2, 2011 22:43
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Clean Your Teeth posted:Am I remembering wrong, or does Skaia just ressurect killed god tiers (unless the death is heroic / just), not prevent / alter any events that would lead to them being killed / harmed? It's more that they're incapable of dying. Clearly they are invincible to a certain degree physically, but at the same time they are invincible in a temporal sense: they're not destined to die yet (it not being neither a heroes nor villain's death), ergo any injuries will either turn out to be non-lethal or the ones that can be magically healed. It's not that Skaia itself is powering the God Tiers, what since there's been a lot of Skaia exploding lately. Clean Your Teeth posted:e: well, i guess they wouldn't stay dead unless they fell into the heoirc / just category, but either way it doesn't seem like the alpha timeline is doing anything in particular to stop those types of deaths happening (see: Vriska) It was a just death, and it was a death that was bound to happen. We saw the offshoot timeline that happened when Vriska wasn't killed: everyone else died, which would have prevented the Alpha timeline events from happening as they should have. So it essentially "granted" Terezi the knowledge she needed, calling her into action and stabbing Vriska. Vriska died because 1. She was "villainous" and 2. The Alpha timeline required it. You could argue that #2 results in #1, since any actions not following #2 get thrown away anyway. Jack could never get the God Tiers in a situation where he'd kill them unless the act of doing so would be giving them a heroic or villainous death, no matter how many Red Miles he sent out. He theoretically could vaporize them, but either it wouldn't work or their mystical bullshit would let them recover that time. The big question is, what defines heroic, what defines villain? Is it the actors, the general view, or is it the alpha timeline itself? Is Lord English treated as an absolute good by the timeline, ergo any attempts against him would be villainy anyway? 
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Nov 2, 2011 22:49
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What? God Tier John totally died and the universe brought him back from the dead with magical glowy fireworks and everything.
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Nov 2, 2011 22:53
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Gabriel Pope posted:What? God Tier John totally died and the universe brought him back from the dead with magical glowy fireworks and everything. You don't seem to understand that these are the same thing. A "temporally defined "YOU CAN'T DIE"" can include "he's now also magical wolverine" when you're not dying permanently either way. Both cases, as you yourself said, involve the universe concocting means to keep an individual in existence. Whether it's using magical God-Tier mechanics or "chance" occurences (chance doesn't exist, remember? That's a thing that didn't stop happening!) ultimately doesn't make any difference, since it's all a matter of "Alpha timeline says this is what happens". Whether the bullet misses or the wound is healed via an established mechanic doesn't matter, since ultimately it's the Alpha timeline just going with whatever works at the given moment. Before John had the God Tier, and he was destined to be the God Tier, nothing lethal happened to him not because he was lucky, but because he had to have nothing lethal happen to him. The circumstances were avoided or he got helped out or potentially bad situations were averted by "chance". The only benefit of God Tier in the sense of the Alpha timeline is that you can no longer get a pointless death, and you're able to do/ accomplish things that fulfill needs the timeline requires. But the question is, who gets to decide on the point made? Zorak fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Nov 2, 2011 |
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Nov 2, 2011 22:58
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Zorak posted:ok, sure - i get the point you're making, but I don't think it especially applies to god tiers above anyone else in the story. but anyway, will be interesting to see if the next panels immediatley follow lord english or if hussie decides to put him back in the box for a while
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Nov 2, 2011 23:09
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Clean Your Teeth posted:ok, sure - i get the point you're making, but I don't think it especially applies to god tiers above anyone else in the story. They can't, the intermission's already over. Oh well. Unless Hussie decides to do another intermission in between now and 11/11/11.
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Ainsworth posted:I kinda expected him to look more demonic than a skull and being hulk huge. Like something lovecraftian or giygas like.
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