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voting A, I'll be interesting to see what changes if luthien falls in this timeline.
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Fellow Goons, I implore you! Certainly, the allure of being purple is enticing to our hive mind, but let me put it in timeline terms. In Original, the Smoke Jaguars and Nova Cats made an end run to Luthien, but their plans were betrayed by Ulric Kerensky to Comstar. Long story short, the Dracs got their chestnuts pulled out of the fire in the nick of time, and their precious coordinator and hierarchy survived. Look at what Poptarts is offering! A chance to undo the betrayal of the real timeline, the self-sabotaging, witless timeline! A chance to actually fight for success and take the first of the inner sphere capitals! A chance to bring the policies of the Clans onto the very hub of one of the big five, to see how they interact! This is a full-scale invasion of a world which must be defended. This isn't a border skirmish, a midnight raid, a clash on the frontier or a covert operation. This is a dagger to the heart, aimed at speed and with force behind it. This isn't a clan whose policies are founded on pure stupid and washed down with dumb, this is the Hell's Horses, the only clan to have embraced combined arms strategies wholeheartedly! This is a clan that comprehends waging war, a clan ready for a campaign rather than trying to impose their own chivalry. The absolute best clan for taking and holding something like this successfully. This is unique, this is major, this epoch-defining. This could be the Fall of the Draconis Combine as we know it. I'll grant you the FWL-CC sideshow has merit, but if the FWL stumbles, this means the New Rim Worlds Republic must take up the slack for their allies! Think of it! Controlling the scions of Amaris and his ilk against the very enemies against whom the Star League was sundered. If the FWL rally now, there will be less need for the NRWR to step up to the plate. Let things get a little darker on that front, and be prepared for what comes next to be glorious. All this can be yours, just for the price of an A vote.
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Nov 3, 2011 02:20
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And why would we want to fight for the Clans to win? They're not just loving monstrous as a society, they're also fighting downhill. We've played as a Clan force against IS1 tech and it was a joke. The Clans are best left as someone to defeat.
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Nov 3, 2011 02:24
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How could stomping Luthien into the ground be more interesting that playing the dirty dozen in battlemechs?
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Nov 3, 2011 02:24
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Not even sure it's a full scale invasion, more a "Lol, Assassinating the coordinator" mission or something.
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Nov 3, 2011 02:25
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Think big. Okay, you're already thinking about giant stompy robots, but think bigger even than that. Imagine what would happen if B won? Imagine what the Inner Sphere would look like if the Capellans break the back of the FWL but at the same time all the really crazy people in charge of the Capellans start getting knocked off. Isn't it about time we let the Caballero's get their revenge? Isn't it about time we saw what Justin Xiang-Allard has up his sleeve? Can't you just see the glorious chaos that will result when the Capellans simultaneously win and are plunged into a vicious blood bath at the highest Echelons? Meanwhile the Snakes get headcapped, leaving the Federated Suns the only intact Great House? Can you conceive of the awesome kaleidoscope of new powers such madness would give birth to?
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Nov 3, 2011 02:26
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Voting A, but I guess it does not matter.  I am sure we will also decide that a skirmish between the Taurians and Davions will be much more fun to play than the Battle of Tharkad in a few months too. Oh well.
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Felime posted:Not even sure it's a full scale invasion, more a "Lol, Assassinating the coordinator" mission or something. It's twelve clusters, which I would say could probably take 14 Succession War era regiments down reliably. Full scale indeed. So we're going to grossly outgun our for, and potentially outnumber them. Downhill battle indeed.
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Nov 3, 2011 02:29
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Defiance Industries posted:And why would we want to fight for the Clans to win? They're not just loving monstrous as a society, they're also fighting downhill. We've played as a Clan force against IS1 tech and it was a joke. The Clans are best left as someone to defeat. This is a Capital World. All bets are off. No pulling of punches. Expect every dirty trick in the book and then some: This isn't a bunch of lights poking around on the fringes, this is the absolute best they have in massive quantity. Clan forces can be beaten by IS forces: I suspect we may well see that in this scenario. Don't write off the defences of Luthien that offhandedly: You saw what a single rapid response unit on Tharkad was. Look at the Home Guard on Operation Himinbjorg, and imagine an entire enemy opforce composed of equal units. It's a chance to see the Clans come up against the IS and finally lose. Do you seriously doubt PopTartsNinja's ability to pitch this at a level where is isn't a clan cakewalk? A cornered rat fights hardest, and this is one of the biggest, most powerful cornered rats in the game. A vote for A is a vote to see this showdown. It will be glorious.
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Keru posted:How could stomping Luthien into the ground be more interesting that playing the dirty dozen in battlemechs? Because it's never been done before. All the canon material is very shy about breaking up the holy status quo. A major power falling is unthinkable. And concerning the post about 'boring' clan superiority on the field: That was a bonus mission, and the group controlling the mechs was very competent, the best one we've had so far. This time the attacking clanners will be heavily outnumbered. Those two battles will not have much in common.
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Nov 3, 2011 02:30
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Mukaikubo posted:Voting A, but I guess it does not matter. Hey, not our fault we're on the wrong side of the Battle of Luthien. Smashing poo poo with Clantech is something a drunk baby could do.
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Nov 3, 2011 02:32
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Now I want to change my vote back to the invasion of Luthien. Curse you, PoptartsNinja! Why couldn't you have left these two options for separate intervanls so we could do both...
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Defiance Industries posted:Hey, not our fault we're on the wrong side of the Battle of Luthien. Smashing poo poo with Clantech is something a drunk baby could do. quote:Alpha Keshik “Might Before Metal” I don't mean to make this sound like a personal attack, but it almost seems like the people who persist in using this argument are acting in bad faith to sway the voters.
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Nov 3, 2011 02:36
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Aka: Not the battle of luthien. The small, inconsequential without goon intervention skirmish of diddly squat that happens to occur on luthien.
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Nov 3, 2011 02:38
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Keep crying, clan-lovers. C.
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Nov 3, 2011 02:38
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As cool as the invasion of Luthien would be, I want to see what the FWL is like. C btw, has anyone kept track of which mechs have shown up so far? edit: I forgot, the Space Mexicans were FWL. Still, it sounds like a good scenario. Trochanter fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Nov 3, 2011 |
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Nov 3, 2011 02:40
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One one hand, "The Battle of Luthien" sounds epic and awesome, and anyone would be thrilled to take part in it. But I want the clanners to lose. On the other, I can't get all that fired up about beating on Capellans again. Deciding factor: Defiance Industries is gonna be part of this pilot group, and dude's been a great contributor to this thread and its associated Good Times™. Let's do it for DI. C
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Nov 3, 2011 02:41
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Gimmick Account posted:I don't mean to make this sound like a personal attack, but it almost seems like the people who persist in using this argument are acting in bad faith to sway the voters. PTN is a great scenario-builder, but I don't believe, with the Goonlance always moving second, that it is even possible to make a challenging Clantech vs IS1 scenario with any kind of not-stupid unit selection.
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Nov 3, 2011 02:45
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Mary Annette posted:One one hand, "The Battle of Luthien" sounds epic and awesome, and anyone would be thrilled to take part in it. That's a rallying cry I can get behind. For Defiance Industries!
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Nov 3, 2011 02:46
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Defiance Industries posted:PTN is a great scenario-builder, but I don't believe, with the Goonlance always moving second, that it is even possible to make a challenging Clantech vs IS1 scenario. If not even all those missions that he's created so far to great acclaim could convince you that he'd cook up something fun, plausible and challenging, nothing can. It just makes me sad.
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Nov 3, 2011 02:50
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If I could change my vote I would be convinced.
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Nov 3, 2011 02:51
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Defiance Industries posted:PTN is a great scenario-builder, but I don't believe, with the Goonlance always moving second, that it is even possible to make a challenging Clantech vs IS1 scenario with any kind of not-stupid unit selection. You'd be surprised. Felime posted:Aka: Not the battle of luthien. The small, inconsequential without goon intervention skirmish of diddly squat that happens to occur on luthien. Yes. Because nothing could possibly happen off-camera to change the status quo.
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Nov 3, 2011 02:51
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Defiance Industries posted:PTN is a great scenario-builder, but I don't believe, with the Goonlance always moving second, that it is even possible to make a challenging Clantech vs IS1 scenario with any kind of not-stupid unit selection. Clan mechs all have weaknesses that can be exploited. They have serious strengths but you can counter them.
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Nov 3, 2011 02:53
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Come back to see 200 posts since last night,  C, I like the FWL almost as much as I hate the Capellans. Also, you know, Rolling The gently caress you say!?
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Nov 3, 2011 03:00
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I think I poo poo up the thread some, so I'm just gonna agree to disagree on scenario construction and get back to being positive about things rather than tearing down the other side. Deal?
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Nov 3, 2011 03:03
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A seems real important, but I know nothing about Battletech and those who seem to are all excited about C so... I vote C
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Nov 3, 2011 03:04
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Need some FWL love in this thread, votinc C
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Nov 3, 2011 03:05
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Defiance Industries posted:I think I poo poo up the thread some, so I'm just gonna agree to disagree on scenario construction and get back to being positive about things rather than tearing down the other side. Deal? Huh? I don't feel that what you said had any sort of negative effect on the thread or its mood, I was just very surprised about your scepticism. No offense taken and all that! Let's see where this train takes us.
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Nov 3, 2011 03:09
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Voting A here, it's just too awesome an idea to miss. Besides, if not picking C means the FWL gets its butt kicked by the CC, is that really a BAD thing? That influx of worlds/resources would probably pull the Confederation out of its "weakest IS state" hole, and that could make things even more intriguing, especially if they and Hanse do square off later on more even terms.
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Nov 3, 2011 03:13
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Well, my argument is that the Combine's going to fall sooner or later, whether Goonstar mobilizes or not, so why not see the best and rowdiest Mechwarriors still piloting L1 tech face off against the new Capellan L2s? The FWL has gone neglected, by canon and by Goons, far too long for anyone to not be curious about the changes made to the Successor States closer to the galactic rim. I'm also going to go ahead and say I've got Clan fatigue right now. The last four scenarios directly involved them, and frankly should Clan's Hell's Horses fail in their four-Galaxy Luthien gambit there's still the Goliath Scorpions and Widowmakers tunneling their way through the Combine invasion corridor. Hence my vote as well as my appeal to consider the oft-ignored Free Worlds League. Either scenario would be drat fine to watch, though, and I'm drat excited to see whatever it is Poptarts has got cookin'. EDIT: Capellans becoming the new superpower while the League crumbles is what happened in the late-Jihad, early-Republic era. That's not an outcome I want to inch towards, frankly. While it was interesting seeing the Capellan Confederation stop getting shat upon, I'd rather see them take the fight to the Davions. Runa fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Nov 3, 2011 |
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Nov 3, 2011 03:14
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Gimmick Account posted:Huh? I don't feel that what you said had any sort of negative effect on the thread or its mood, I was just very surprised about your scepticism. No offense taken and all that! When you turn an argument into tearing down the other option it eventually becomes threadshitting. Soooo...
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Nov 3, 2011 03:14
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Ferrosol posted:C) 1st Regulan Hussars because the FWL is the best and I am bored of stinky clanners and boring dracs I agree with this C vote entirely and unconditionally. And if you disagree all I can say is NO YOU SHUT UP MARIK'S ROW REPRESENT
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Nov 3, 2011 03:16
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Throwing my weight behind C because I want to see some goddamn 1st Regulan Hussars, damnit! Knife to the Hilt!
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Nov 3, 2011 03:22
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I'm voting [A] because while the real history is often won on the sidelines, whatever happens on Luthien is going to be big, flashy, and intense. The Clans are at their best story-wise as their beliefs break down upon the reality of warfare, and it's not like the Goons haven't lost a scenario before. What we'd be seeing here is an Inner Sphere force that has pulled out literally all of the stops, in their own territory, and fighting for the very survival of their empire. The Hell's Horses are all in here as well. The two Galaxies here represent two thirds of their invasion force and as much as a third of their entire canon armed forces at this time. Both of their Khans are on the battlefield. This is bigger than the original battle for Luthien, and Win or lose, neither the Combine nor the Hell's Horses will come out of this intact. I want to see that happen in person. Octatonic fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Nov 3, 2011 |
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Nov 3, 2011 03:23
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Jumping out of lurk mode to vote C, it's been a good long while before we saw good inter-Sphere rear end-kicking, much less against the hordes of
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Nov 3, 2011 03:24
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C For Defiance Industries!
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Nov 3, 2011 03:25
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Axe-man posted:Clan mechs all have weaknesses that can be exploited. They have serious strengths but you can counter them. I'd vote for the battle of Luthien in 1 nanonsecond flat if were playing as the IS, but I hate the clans and want them to die. Plus imho struggling against the clans with IS1 tech is approximately 100 times more fun/exciting to watch.
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Nov 3, 2011 03:26
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 It's "canon", with one "n" only. Although many of their forces ARE indeed cannon-armed.
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Nov 3, 2011 03:27
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Gimmick Account posted:
I normally get that right! Fixed. 
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