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Chinston Wurchill posted:I wonder what they'll end up doing with Nymeria and her pack of killer wolves? Arya leading a wolf army against the Others/Lannisters seems a little too obvious. I can see Nymeria taking Cercei to Maul-Your-Genitals Town because the queen and a few other nothing characters are the only ones still alive on Arya's hit list. Does anyone not want to read about Cercei getting ripped to shreds by a huge wolf?
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mikey triumph posted:I can see Nymeria taking Cercei to Maul-Your-Genitals Town because the queen and a few other nothing characters are the only ones still alive on Arya's hit list. Does anyone not want to read about Cercei getting ripped to shreds by a huge wolf? No? Because it'll all be about her myrish swamp getting demolished by nymeria's slavering maw.
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Nov 2, 2011 19:52
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hailthefish posted:No? Because it'll all be about her myrish swamp getting demolished by nymeria's slavering maw. I've wanted to read about that since AFFC. That book was basically about what a treacherous poser oval office Cercei is. I want Nymeria to pay homage to her forest of Qohor with huge, glistening fangs.
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Nov 2, 2011 19:57
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Finally caught up with this drat thread (finished the book a while ago and have actually done a re-read of them all since then) and the last two books are much better the second time through. I hated AFFC the first time, but it was MUCH better after reading ADWD. Still enjoy the series, period blood, diarrea, rape and all.
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poo poo, I meant Nymeria.
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badtitties posted:the last two books are much better the second time through. I've heard this from many and am eager to try it out.
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Nov 3, 2011 01:12
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My biggest complaint with aFFC is the Brianne chapters. Why GRUM thought it would be a good idea to have her searching for Sansa in places we knew she wasn't was beyond annoying. It was cool reading about the state Westeros was in after aSOS but it would have been much better if we either didn't know where Sansa was or if it might have been remotely possible she was going to find her. The best part is the very end when he talks about how much of a bitch it was to write and said see you next year, George RR Martin 2005  (sorry to all of you that had to wait so long)
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Nov 3, 2011 01:39
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The Brienne/Sansa thing would have made a lot more sense if Sansa's chapters were bumped back to Dance. It was really sabotaging the tension to have Brienne looking hard for that girl and for us to know "oh yeah, she's over here far away with a creepy guy who wants to bone her mom via daughter-proxy"
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Nov 3, 2011 01:41
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Yeah exactly. I am really interested to see where that plot line is headed maybe because I'm mostly clueless where it could go. I mean the Vale is supposed to be impregnable so for now it's a good place for her to stay while people might still be looking for her. I really don't see Little Finger ending up where he wants to be on the Iron Throne but maybe he comes to save the day at Winterfell and puts Sansa in her rightful place like he said he would? I actually have a feeling that nobody is going to end up ruling Westeros and they implement more of a free/democratic government (the way it was before the Targs took over) after Kings Landing gets raped by whitewalkers/dragons/Arya.
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Nov 3, 2011 02:05
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:The Brienne/Sansa thing would have made a lot more sense if Sansa's chapters were bumped back to Dance. It was really sabotaging the tension to have Brienne looking hard for that girl and for us to know "oh yeah, she's over here far away with a creepy guy who wants to bone her mom via daughter-proxy" I agree. The only issue with Brienne's chapters was having Sansa's next to them. Everything else is great.
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Nov 3, 2011 02:23
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I haven't read any Wild Cards or anything else he's written, is he just in way over his head? Like he had some good ideas and they all just poured out and for a decade now he's had to really really work hard to get anything decent down.
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smarion2 posted:Yeah exactly. I am really interested to see where that plot line is headed maybe because I'm mostly clueless where it could go. I mean the Vale is supposed to be impregnable so for now it's a good place for her to stay while people might still be looking for her. I don't think he wants that. Littlefinger is all about FYGM and banging Cat; now that Cat is dead, Sansa is the next best thing, and that's all there is to him. Azure_Horizon posted:I agree. The only issue with Brienne's chapters was having Sansa's next to them. Everything else is great. I hate agreeing with you because you're a troll or a Gurm apologist, but yes.
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Ross posted:I've heard this from many and am eager to try it out. I re-read everything to prepare for Dance and feast is slightly less awful on second read through.. partly as you knew when to skip a few pages.
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Nov 3, 2011 02:39
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Littlefinger is a huge bitch and a nonplayer at this point. He's hardly been involved for two books, besides killing a crazy lady and running an isolated mountain keep. Come on, George, kill the sucker off already. We've got way cooler dudes to pay attention to now. Doran Martell of the Golden Gout, anyone? 
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You guys don't think Little Finger is a player anymore? It seems to me that hes all about playing the game and tries to slowly build his status to gain more and more power. I know hes not going to do it and most likely he will be killed off but then again I miss tons of stuff you guys pick up on that I had to learn from this thread. I don't remember reading it in this thread but what are some of your ending predictions? I already said mine with there ending up being no ruler. I think the wall will most certainly fall. Arya will kill everyone on her wish list. Ned Stark wakes up the day before he confronts Cersie at Kings Landing about the true heritage of her children meaning it was all just a crazy dream!
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Nov 3, 2011 02:57
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"taking Cersei to maul-your-genitals town" is my new euphamism for...something, I dunno what.
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bigmcgaffney posted:Littlefinger is a huge bitch and a nonplayer at this point. He's hardly been involved for two books, besides killing a crazy lady and running an isolated mountain keep. A dude who does things by such painstaking and slow measures his plans all fall apart due to novus actus interveniens? Yeah, pro player right there.
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Neurosis posted:A dude who does things by such painstaking and slow measures his plans all fall apart due to novus actus interveniens? Yeah, pro player right there. Not his fault Dany is a huge bitch and was too enthralled by ~my Daario~ (not that I blame her, dude's sexy) to think clearly. Actually maybe it is his fault, for not having the genes to father an attractive son. Oberyn.... 
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Nov 3, 2011 04:40
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Azure_Horizon posted:I agree. The only issue with Brienne's chapters was having Sansa's next to them. Everything else is great. But...we already knew Sansa's location by the last fifth of Storm of Swords. So Brienne's chapters would have to exist BEFORE then for this to work. smarion2 posted:I actually have a feeling that nobody is going to end up ruling Westeros and they implement more of a free/democratic government (the way it was before the Targs took over) You are the most adorable troll 
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smarion2 posted:I actually have a feeling that nobody is going to end up ruling Westeros and they implement more of a free/democratic government (the way it was before the Targs took over) after Kings Landing gets raped by whitewalkers/dragons/Arya. Before they took over? Prior to Aegon, Westeros was a bunch of non-affiliated warlords that ruled their own respective areas... the Targs just said "we have dragons so we should be collecting taxes from these po-dunk shitheads." As for setting up a "democratic" government, Littlefinger is already in the process of doing that with his political maneuverings; the poo poo he is pulling in the Vale/King's Landing is pretty similar to American politics for the last century or so.
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Yeah that's what I mean by taking over. I don't really know what actions hes done in the Vale or King's Landing that was democratic but I think it's the direction the book will go. whowhatwhere posted:You are the most adorable troll
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Well obviously you haven't been reading the books carefully enough: Bronn is the Prince that was Promised and is going to reign, with Arya as the Spider, Jaqen!Pate as Grand Maester, Podrick Payne as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, Asha as Mistress of the Coin, and Littlefinger ruling as Hand. Because everything always comes up Littlefinger 
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I think Littlefinger and Varys will undo eachother. Their actions and roles in court and throughout the story seem pretty similar. The only person who would be a match for Littlefinger's intrigues would be Varys and vice-versa. I think the show did a much better job of playing those two off of eachother than the books did. In the show you see a direct power-play between the two REAL rulers of Westeros.
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I think Littlefinger and Varys will do eachother.
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Nov 3, 2011 09:52
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Littlefinger wants to put himself in charge, Varys wants to put Aegorn or whatever the gently caress his name is in charge. They're gonna have it out.
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Nov 3, 2011 12:34
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Dominion posted:"taking Cersei to maul-your-genitals town" is my new euphamism for...something, I dunno what. Easy one. It's for that moment when, because of poverty, you are forced to take your wife or girlfriend to a third-rate rate restaurant (Friendly's, for example) where the food is so poorly cooked or otherwise prepared you wake up at two in the morning with an ache somewhere between your groin and your testicles.
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No way would he go for the throne personally. He knows it's not necessary for holding the real power, and that sitting the throne is just painting a big target on your back. He's too smart for that, definitely a puppet-ruler kinda guy.
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Yeah, he'll "settle" for being Lord of Harrenhal. Also their interests are not necessarily unaligned. Varys wants Aegon to reign; Littlefinger wants to rule. Aegon as King, Littlefinger as de facto Hand. Also re: Sansa. Is it just me or is he kind of confused about her? It's not just that he wants her in a sort of transferred crush kinda way, but that he also thinks of her as if she were his and Catelyn's daughter. So there's a bit of cognitive dissonance and it's reflected in his actions towards her (would he *really* try to teach Catelyn the Game of Thrones?) He's not just showing off how awesome he is as a pathetic effort to woo her by flexing his tongue; he's also genuinely trying to teach her how to play via modeling and getting her to think through his actions herself. So now it's Littlefinger: daughter-rapist. ...And yet I still think he's awesome 
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whowhatwhere posted:would he *really* try to teach Catelyn the Game of Thrones? Probably not, but I think that's because: a) Could you imagine trying to teach Catelyn anything? b) Same age, whereas he sees Sansa as a potential "heir"
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IRQ posted:I think Littlefinger and Varys will do eachother. Stop trying to break the one true pairing of Varys with that fatass Illyrio you loving rear end in a top hat. I just want to imagine him straddling Illyrio while he thrusts his dickless crotch into the fatness furiously.
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smarion2 posted:Yeah that's what I mean by taking over. I don't really know what actions hes done in the Vale or King's Landing that was democratic but I think it's the direction the book will go. Where are you getting that thought from? This series has constantly drilled into our heads that the lords don't give a single gently caress about the common man, and consider them on the same level as cattle. Even in a society like the Black Watch where they pick their leader - once he is picked his word is law and there is no going back or using a vote to influence his decisions. Westeros is not going towards a democracy one bit.
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Thoguh posted:Where are you getting that thought from? This series has constantly drilled into our heads that the lords don't give a single gently caress about the common man, and consider them on the same level as cattle. Even in a society like the Black Watch where they pick their leader - once he is picked his word is law and there is no going back or using a vote to influence his decisions. Westeros is not going towards a democracy one bit. Seems a big step toward human rights and non-despotic republic in our own world was the mainstreaming of Christianity and the rise to power of the Church. Now that the Faith of the Seven has its own knights and standing army, Westeros might be on the cusp of a theocratic movement.
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Thoguh posted:Where are you getting that thought from? This series has constantly drilled into our heads that the lords don't give a single gently caress about the common man, and consider them on the same level as cattle. Even in a society like the Black Watch where they pick their leader - once he is picked his word is law and there is no going back or using a vote to influence his decisions. Westeros is not going towards a democracy one bit. I could see by the end of the book Dany coming west to save the day and kill all the Others with her dragons and learning about the wildling way of life. I think it would appeal to her because she knows she isn't fit to rule and freedom seems pretty important to her. Really I don't see too many lords making it by the end of the story who will oppose a new form of government. All the major families are basically ruined and there is no way the Frey's & Boltens survive.
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Contra Calculus posted:Stop trying to break the one true pairing of Varys with that fatass Illyrio you loving rear end in a top hat. I just want to imagine him straddling Illyrio while he thrusts his dickless crotch into the fatness furiously. Pillar's there, just no stones.
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Thoguh posted:Westeros is not going towards a democracy one bit. Think about the rise of the Sparrows, Dondarrion, etc. There was a lot in Feast about the common folk tiring of the Game and finally getting an opportunity to take things into their own hands via the Sept. Combine that with Aegon's religious and civic training, general charisma, and a bloodline that the common folk associate with a more stable and peaceful time. Aegon will take Westeros by rallying the common people and the Sept behind him. Dany will never go to Westeros at all. Instead she'll move east to Asshai, and end up ruling Essos from there. That's after we finally get to see the Shadow, which is a place analogous to Beyond-the-Wall, with dangerous fantastical creatures etc., except with a dark/light motif instead of ice/fire. This is why the Red Priests are so obsessed with the light/dark dichotomy, when the dichotomy in the north is clearly between fire/ice. Jon will be King in the North following the destruction of the Others and the fall of the Wall. Then you have your three-headed dragon woop woop. Has a nice symmetry and fulfills most of the foreshadowing so far. Ecco the Dolphin fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Nov 3, 2011 |
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Nov 3, 2011 18:40
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Completely off topic but "A Dream Of Sping" is serioulsy the lamest title ever compared to the awesomeness of "A Time For Wolves". Why change that Gurm, you fat bastard?
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Because ain't no Wolves gonna survive this poo poo. Of those who were wolves and are still alive: Sansa: married and not a wolf or dead. Arya: faceless man or dead Bran: Tree. Rickon: bowl of brown or insane Of those tangentially wolves: Jon: dead or transformed; in no way a Stark Catelyn: hahahahahahahahahaha Nymeria: eaten.
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whowhatwhere posted:Because ain't no Wolves gonna survive this poo poo. Of those who were wolves and are still alive: Jon: Warging wolf-dragon-king Arya: Badass assassin with wolf sidekick Bran: Omniscient demi-god Sansa: Queen of Westeros I don't know, I think the wolf kids will do all right, although I still think "A Dream of Spring" is a good title.
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mikey triumph posted:I don't know, I think the wolf kids will do all right, although I still think "A Dream of Spring" is a good title.
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