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CalvinDooglas
Dec 5, 2002

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Joepopo posted:

I don't really get which number is which chord.

Is it numbered from bass to trebble?

yes, 4321 = D G B e.

I didn't mean to prescribe alt picking generally, but when doing these kinds of exercises one should have a consistent picking pattern. Forcing yourself to alternate directions when skipping over several strings is a good workout.

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Porn Thread
Nov 12, 2008
Sorry, but I don't see any reason to practice alternate picking if you're not going to use alternate picking in actual playing situations.

muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン
I've been a pretty straight alt-picker for years, so it's not a big deal to me.

CalvinDooglas
Dec 5, 2002

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Porn Thread posted:

Sorry, but I don't see any reason to practice alternate picking if you're not going to use alternate picking in actual playing situations.

well with beginners who knows what their playing situations are, consistency is the important part regardless of the technique involved. In my experience watching beginner-level players, the biggest right hand flaw I see is the tendency to downpick exclusively to the detriment of overall playing. I just wanted to share my daily warmup routine for the person who was looking for a way structure their practice time.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Porn Thread posted:

Sorry, but I don't see any reason to practice alternate picking if you're not going to use alternate picking in actual playing situations.

Yeah, why wouldn't you want to? I mean I know there are more advanced techniques you might end up using, but they tend to at least use alternate picking to some degree. It's not even necessarily about learning to alternate pick, it's a way of getting you comfortable doing upstrokes and downstrokes on every string.

If alternate picking really is a waste of time for you then you're probably at a stage where you know exactly what you do need to practice

CalvinDooglas
Dec 5, 2002

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The more I think about it, I could definitely do that exercise with economy picking for a real workout.

For everyone's reference, the warmups I usually post are from Pumping Nylon. Yes, that's a classical guitar book, but the exercises adapt well to picking since a lot of it's left hand stuff. Not to mention classical guitarists have great technique, so it's probably a good idea to see what they do. I recommend that anyone take a look at it and find some good practice ideas of their own.

SSJ2 Goku Wilders
Mar 24, 2010
Learning both has been very useful to me. I gave up on alternate picking because of the condition of my right arm, but have picked it up again since I last read the discussion about it on these forums. Currently I very much still prefer econonmy picking over anything else, but alternate picking has its benefits.

IMHO, the greatest thing about alternate picking is learning to/forcing yourself to outside pick. You don't have to do it all the time either. Gilbert is a big proponent of alternate picking in general, and it's obvious why. He wants you to outside pick when you string skip, for instance, so you don't hit the strings you're not supposed to, by accident.

On the other hand, I think Gambale is one of those dudes that agrees with Porn Thread. I'm sure I've seen a lesson by him where he goes "why learn to play the same thing in more than one way? Use the one that works!".

If you have the patience and time, learning both is great. Not that I'm any kind of authority here, just sharing my opinion.

Porn Thread
Nov 12, 2008

baka kaba posted:

Yeah, why wouldn't you want to? I mean I know there are more advanced techniques you might end up using, but they tend to at least use alternate picking to some degree. It's not even necessarily about learning to alternate pick, it's a way of getting you comfortable doing upstrokes and downstrokes on every string.

If alternate picking really is a waste of time for you then you're probably at a stage where you know exactly what you do need to practice

Alternate picking on a single string is one thing. Just about every picking model does that (although often times I'll play a slow melody with all downstrokes). That's not a problem. Tremolo picking on one string is a good way to warm up.

Where it gets trickier is when you start switching strings. String switching with alternate picking is very different than with economy picking. There are ways to make certain alternate picking passages more like economy picking, but by and large there isn't a lot of crossover between the two.

I don't have a problem with alternate picking if that's how you want to play. It's a perfectly valid way to play the instrument. But it's not the only way to play. It gives you a certain sound, and if you like that sound, then by all means use it.

If I was teaching a kid, then yeah, giving them very specific picking instructions so that they don't just do all downstrokes (as 90% of them will) isn't a bad idea. But I've found that if you're working with older teens or adults, you can lay out the options, explain each one, and they can make their own choice depending on how they want to sound.

calcio
May 7, 2007

No Totti No party
Looking to pickup a MIM Strat off Craigslist to get started playing. I've seen some different descriptions of various MIM such as Fat, HSS or Deluxe Powerhouse. The pictures of all the MIM strats appear the same to me but want to find out what the exact difference is in these variations.

muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン

calcio posted:

Looking to pickup a MIM Strat off Craigslist to get started playing. I've seen some different descriptions of various MIM such as Fat, HSS or Deluxe Powerhouse. The pictures of all the MIM strats appear the same to me but want to find out what the exact difference is in these variations.

Deluxe powerhouse is a specific model: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/fender-deluxe-powerhouse-stratocaster-electric-guitar

Fat and HSS are interchangeable, it means it has a humbucker in the bridge and two single coil pickups in the middle and neck positions.

Millions
Sep 13, 2007

Do you believe in heroes?
I just started playing a couple weeks ago, you guys helped me pick out the beginner's gear I needed so thanks to everyone for that.

I picked up a Roland Micro Cube, but I think I might have an issue on my hands. Again, I'm a complete newbie a this so I'm not sure if this is really an issue or what. Every time I plug in my jack to the amp, it starts making an obnoxious buzzing noise that stops when I hold onto the metal itself. This is before I even plug my guitar in, so is this a grounding issue with the amp (it's a 2-prong plug), or maybe I just got cheap lovely cords? I've tried plugging it into several plugs all around my house but still no luck. Any advice would be much appreciated, I was able to play through the buzz for a while but now it's driving me crazy.

Warcabbit
Apr 26, 2008

Wedge Regret
That really sounds like a grounding issue. Can you plug it into another building?

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Not really fixing your core issue, but you can run Micro Cubes on batteries and it's awesome. Get a decent set of rechargeables and they'll last you a week or so, depending how much you play. It should eliminate your hum anyway

Porn Thread posted:

Alternate picking on a single string is one thing. Just about every picking model does that (although often times I'll play a slow melody with all downstrokes). That's not a problem. Tremolo picking on one string is a good way to warm up.

Where it gets trickier is when you start switching strings. String switching with alternate picking is very different than with economy picking. There are ways to make certain alternate picking passages more like economy picking, but by and large there isn't a lot of crossover between the two.

I don't have a problem with alternate picking if that's how you want to play. It's a perfectly valid way to play the instrument. But it's not the only way to play. It gives you a certain sound, and if you like that sound, then by all means use it.

If I was teaching a kid, then yeah, giving them very specific picking instructions so that they don't just do all downstrokes (as 90% of them will) isn't a bad idea. But I've found that if you're working with older teens or adults, you can lay out the options, explain each one, and they can make their own choice depending on how they want to sound.

Yeah I see what you're saying, I guess what I think alt picking has going for it is the constant movement that makes it easy to keep a rhythm going and how it kinda ties in with strumming. It seems a lot easier to get on board with than economy picking, just for how simple the concept is, even if it's not the best technique for everyone who's progressed a bit. But you're right, practice exercises should be about training the techniques you actually use

Awesomesauce
Nov 13, 2006

6 parts robot
1 part turtle
Salt and pepper to taste
Hi, I'm a drummer.

Is $1750 (Canadian funny money) a reasonable asking price for a 1964 SG?
- refinished in a teal that some may find hideous
- headstock was broken and professionally repaired
- 4 holes from removed Bigsby
- upgraded tuners

Click for pics: http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/msg/2659611186.html

Would greatly appreciate any speculations on actual value, with reasoning.

CalvinDooglas
Dec 5, 2002

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Well the Canadian $ is worth just about the same as American right now.

I wouldn't pay $1750 for a guitar that's been substantially damaged. The Bigsby that was removed was also the cool huge bridge assembly you see on those old SGs.

404notfound
Mar 5, 2006

stop staring at me

I am dumb and somehow ended up buying these acoustic guitar strings to use on my Stratocaster. I looked at the equivalent set of electric strings and the gauges don't seem too different. Is it bad to use this on an electric? How will the experience differ?

muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン
Not much as far as tension goes, but they'd sound like poop through an amp because they aren't the same alloy composition of electric strings.

Awesomesauce
Nov 13, 2006

6 parts robot
1 part turtle
Salt and pepper to taste

CalvinDooglas posted:

Well the Canadian $ is worth just about the same as American right now.

I wouldn't pay $1750 for a guitar that's been substantially damaged. The Bigsby that was removed was also the cool huge bridge assembly you see on those old SGs.

Thanks man, I was thinking exactly the same things, but as a drummer, I wasn't sure how to translate these thoughts into an offer in dollar terms. Which is why I posted here for help.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

CalvinDooglas posted:

The Bigsby that was removed was also the cool huge bridge assembly you see on those old SGs.

Aww, those are the only SGs I really like the look of

/heresy

TriggerHappy
Mar 14, 2007

Awesomesauce posted:

Hi, I'm a drummer.

Is $1750 (Canadian funny money) a reasonable asking price for a 1964 SG?
- refinished in a teal that some may find hideous
- headstock was broken and professionally repaired
- 4 holes from removed Bigsby
- upgraded tuners

Click for pics: http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/msg/2659611186.html

Would greatly appreciate any speculations on actual value, with reasoning.

It looks like 1964 SG's go for around 3K and up on ebay, so it's not a terrible deal if you really want a vintage instrument. You'd be paying a lot for the vintage aspect, though. You can get a brand new SG Standard for around $1,000, or a brand new SG Special for $700.

CalvinDooglas
Dec 5, 2002

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With a vintage Gibson the age and logo are what you pay for. If you're looking for a guitar to play, I suggest checking out stock models of other brands. It's not like guitar technology has changed much or regressed in 50 years.

Personally, I think Gibsons are terribly overpriced. I bet you can get an MIM Fender for 50-75% the price of a Gibson.

Fiskiggy
Feb 15, 2005

You have impressed FFCiv with your turn time!
They turn a blind eye to the turn times of other civilizations, and your Influence over them has increased by 40.
I peeped their website the other day and even though it's just middle-aged white guys with too much money anyway, this is so repulsive to me somehow.

muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン
I don't know if it quite fits in this thread but I'm looking to try and work on slap guitar skills. Not bass. It's something I've been interested in a while, but I'm wondering if bass slapping skills and advice would transfer to guitar, or if there's some guitar-specific stuff to it.
Any advice? In the mean time I'll probably look at slap bass stuff.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Pretentious Turtle posted:

I don't know if it quite fits in this thread but I'm looking to try and work on slap guitar skills. Not bass. It's something I've been interested in a while, but I'm wondering if bass slapping skills and advice would transfer to guitar, or if there's some guitar-specific stuff to it.
Any advice? In the mean time I'll probably look at slap bass stuff.

This kind of thing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xon04MB1rDw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSnWhsmlGec

A lot of people seem to recommend Expanding The Realm of Acoustic Playing by Preston Reed (DVD I guess) but seems like a lot of the chat online is either posting videos of people playing that way or people complaining about it.

Dr. Honked
Jan 9, 2011

eat it you slaaaaaaag

Fiskiggy posted:

I peeped their website the other day and even though it's just middle-aged white guys with too much money anyway, this is so repulsive to me somehow.

It costs an extra four grand for some guy to rough it up a bit for you, and then another ten grand to get it signed? Holy poo poo

Hollis Brownsound
Apr 2, 2009

by Lowtax

Pretentious Turtle posted:

I don't know if it quite fits in this thread but I'm looking to try and work on slap guitar skills. Not bass. It's something I've been interested in a while, but I'm wondering if bass slapping skills and advice would transfer to guitar, or if there's some guitar-specific stuff to it.
Any advice? In the mean time I'll probably look at slap bass stuff.

Reggie Wooten, Older brother of Victor Wooten is pretty well known for slap techniques on guitar. In fact Victor said everything he knows was taught to him by Reggie. I don't know if he's got any books or videos but it's worth looking into.

muike
Mar 16, 2011

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baka kaba posted:

This kind of thing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xon04MB1rDw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSnWhsmlGec

A lot of people seem to recommend Expanding The Realm of Acoustic Playing by Preston Reed (DVD I guess) but seems like a lot of the chat online is either posting videos of people playing that way or people complaining about it.

Basically, yeah, though I'm not really a fan of either of those guys v:shobon:v


Thanks for the tips guys, I'll look for some of Reggie's videos.

CalvinDooglas
Dec 5, 2002

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HollisBrown posted:

Reggie Wooten, Older brother of Victor Wooten is pretty well known for slap techniques on guitar. In fact Victor said everything he knows was taught to him by Reggie. I don't know if he's got any books or videos but it's worth looking into.

I've seen Regi Wooten and the only thing he did in over an hour on stage was arrhythmic chromatic shredding around the 15th position. Yeah there's some goofy slapping in there, but it's not very musical; literally just slapping the fretboard.

Hollis Brownsound
Apr 2, 2009

by Lowtax

CalvinDooglas posted:

I've seen Regi Wooten and the only thing he did in over an hour on stage was arrhythmic chromatic shredding around the 15th position. Yeah there's some goofy slapping in there, but it's not very musical; literally just slapping the fretboard.


I never said I liked his playing or found it tasteful in anyway.

metachronos
Sep 11, 2001

When I roll, baby I roll DEEP
Hey guys, maybe you can help me out a little. I'm just starting to get into guitar. The problem is I have cerebral palsy and as such the supenation in my left wrist is less than great. I'm working to improve it but the guitar I have now( an ibanez my teacher lent me) has a thick rear end neck so grabbing chords is hard. I'm thinking a lighter guitar with a thin neck will work better. Can anybody point me in the direction of makes/models that are lighter and have thin necks?

metachronos fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Nov 5, 2011

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

There are lots and lots of different guitar models out there and they all have different configurations, so you'll get a lot of neck variation - there's a bit here about the different characteristics, but really your best bet is to go to a music store and try a few guitars to see what feels right, and see if you can get the neck details (like the width and radius). There's a list of Ibanez necks if that's of any help at all!

Someone else might be able to tell you about some especially light guitars - maybe a semi-hollow one would work for you? Something like an Artcore. Really it's worth you playing around with a few at a store to get a feel for what you like

WorldIndustries
Dec 21, 2004

I just noticed that my first guitar (acoustic) has a 24.9" scale length. On my friend's guitar with a 25.5" scale length, the size difference of the first few frets seems quite bit larger than my guitar. Is learn on the 24.9" guitar going to give me problems if I later want to play a guitar with a longer scale length?

Fmoof
Jan 2, 2004
This question might have been asked before but:

What is the correct or most common technique for doing pull-offs? Somewhere along the line I started pulling downwards to sound the note, letting my finger fall onto the string below and mute it. Are you supposed to do a pull-off without touching any other strings except for the one you sound? I can't seem to do that without brushing against the string below it anyway. Are there different ways to do a pull-off or just one kind of accepted technique?

CalvinDooglas
Dec 5, 2002

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Fmoof posted:

This question might have been asked before but:

What is the correct or most common technique for doing pull-offs? Somewhere along the line I started pulling downwards to sound the note, letting my finger fall onto the string below and mute it. Are you supposed to do a pull-off without touching any other strings except for the one you sound? I can't seem to do that without brushing against the string below it anyway. Are there different ways to do a pull-off or just one kind of accepted technique?

it's OK to touch the string below, but don't let your finger inadvertently 'pluck' it, either. Your finger should relax the moment it leaves the pulled string.

Sad Mammal
Feb 5, 2008

You see me laughin
Are there any recommended references to posture and proper playing mechanics?

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

JustinGuitar is fantastic resource

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IscDj_-Nr0s

stratdax
Sep 14, 2006

Sad Mammal posted:

Are there any recommended references to posture and proper playing mechanics?

I much prefer to have the guitar on my left leg, with my foot on a foot raise of some kind, in an armless chair. I find it way easier to finger the fretboard and strum. It's classical guitar style, but I find it much more ergonomic than having it on my right leg, which twists the guitar away from from me, making it harder to strum comfortably or finger the fretboard. With the guitar on the right leg my right arm feels cramped up to strum.

Note how the guitar is perfectly flush with his body, and how his right arm is comfortable, and how easily he's able to see his left hand:


As opposed to this, where his right arm is cranked up and his left hand is being pulled away from his body in front of him. His whole body is twisted:

stratdax fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Nov 8, 2011

Pannus
Mar 14, 2004

Caddrel posted:

I just noticed that my first guitar (acoustic) has a 24.9" scale length. On my friend's guitar with a 25.5" scale length, the size difference of the first few frets seems quite bit larger than my guitar. Is learn on the 24.9" guitar going to give me problems if I later want to play a guitar with a longer scale length?

Shouldn't be a problem at all.

Fmoof
Jan 2, 2004

CalvinDooglas posted:

it's OK to touch the string below, but don't let your finger inadvertently 'pluck' it, either. Your finger should relax the moment it leaves the pulled string.

Thank you!

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Manky
Mar 20, 2007


Fun Shoe
What's a good intro/cheat sheet/basic overview of how to read sheet music for guitar? I'm playing in my college's musical again and I have a desire to do more than just wing it. I know how to read regular music, thankfully.

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