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JerryLee posted:Looks like a relatively good deck to me, things like having to play Disciple of Griselbrand notwithstanding. Actually is there some reason you'd rather play Neonate or Disciple over Walking Corpse? Neonate because it goes with Heir. Disciple because I didn't evaluate it as a bad card because "Oh, it has a sacrifice effect." I see my mistake now. As for the dragon, I just feel like it's rather lackluster because it just looks like the sort of card that, in this deck, would be irrelevant by the time I get the mana for it; either I've won or I lost. Feel free to correct me, though.
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Jon Joe posted:I know that the dragon is iffy The first rule of Limited is to never ever pass the dragon.
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Nov 5, 2011 04:29
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blitzkreig.bmp posted:To clarify, it was against sever the bloodline which probably is the right pick. Not saying mayor is bad, sever is just better. To be fair, if I was your opponent and you blocked goliath with sentry and thrower, I would probably just not give wolf first strike. That way you'd be left with a voiceless spirit against a goliath.
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Nov 5, 2011 04:49
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blitzkreig.bmp posted:Mayor is a 1/1 and stays a 1/1 as long as opp has something to play. You can skip casting a spell on your own turn to flip it. Also I like green more than black in this set, even though that's weird to say. Sever's great for sure though.
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Nov 5, 2011 05:33
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blitzkreig.bmp posted:When I said that I meant "Sever the Bloodline kills Mayor of Avabruck and the Wolf tokens by casting Sever the Bloodline on Mayor of Avabruck and flashing it back for the Wolf tokens." If you're using Sever + flashback to kill Mayor and some wolf tokens, you're making a 1-for-1 trade where the opponent is way ahead on mana and probably somewhat ahead on life. But yeah, certainly my example is specifically selected to show a situation where this type of analysis clearly gives the wrong result; Norn is much much better than Mayor, Spread the Sickness is worse than Sever. My point was only to display the fact that card comparisons have to be made against the field as a whole, not each other. I haven't actually played a single game with Innistrad cards, so I certainly won't argue if the consensus is that Sever is actually superior. I'd just want to hear more explanation as to why that might be. 
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Nov 5, 2011 05:57
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I managed to stick a mask of avaycn on Olivia Voldaren to lock up a match. 
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Jon Joe posted:So I just drafted ISD for the first time: Just went 2-1, lost to a blue-black deck with Skaab Goliath; both games that it was played, I lost. Also, I really like Heretic's Punishment and it was used to good effect multiple times. The dragon never saw play, as predicted, though it did net me some important damage with Heretic's more than a few times.
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Nov 5, 2011 06:03
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Ugh, why am I so bad at drafting. I need serious help: http://www.raredraft.com/watch?d=3072q I got passed solid UW spirits, and then white and blue immediately dried up. And as always, I underdrafted creatures. I keep getting tricked into white-green or white-blue and having it backfire, what am I missing?
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Nov 5, 2011 06:15
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Speaking of Heretic's Punishment, I saw a game in another draft pod at FNM in which a guy lost to decking himself with Heretic's Punishment. He could have won if he had his Geistflame...but it was the last card in his deck. (The other guy had a Trepanation Blade ready to go on a Doomed Traveler or its spirit token, and the Blade would have ended up milling the Geistflame. The Punishment guy couldn't have Punishmented the Geistflame and flashed it back, because that would have led to him being decked on his upkeep anyways, the way it worked out).
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Nov 5, 2011 06:27
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Loot Pinata posted:Ugh, why am I so bad at drafting. I need serious help: Pack 1, Pick 2: Voiceless Spirit is a better pick by far; it's lower on the curve, in the same color your first pick was, and still a spirit. Pack 2, Pick 2; Scholar is an insanely good card; 5/1s for 3 that let you pick through your deck are good. Pack 2, Pick 4: You looked like you were going black, why not Corpse Lunge or Moan? Pack 3, Pick 3: If you weren't already low on creatures, I'd have taken Clausterphobia Pack 3, Pick 5: Huh? Did you think it said all your creatures? Or maybe you misclicked? Delver of Secrets was the definite pick. Pack 3, Pick 6: I'd have taken Occultist. It's a dude (lady). What colors did you end up playing?
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Nov 5, 2011 06:36
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P3P3 - Agreed. P3P5 - I didn't mis-click, I had a bunch of Doomed Travellers and the Monk and thought it would work well with them. But I guess if you're short on creatures, the Delver is just the creature to get. I ended up going white-blue with a splash of black for the Dead Weight and Victim of Night. I won against a black-red aggro-ishdeck, but lost in round 2 to a blue-green creation that managed to get Gutter Grime, Essence of the Wild and Stitcher's Apprentice on the field. You can imagine how that ended. Was there a signal to move into another colour that I totally missed?
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Nov 5, 2011 06:44
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Loot Pinata posted:P3P3 - Agreed. Wait, you're playing 8-4s? You should be playing Swisses until you get a better handle. You're going to get whooped more often and more easily in 8-4s, so a Swiss is better for your pocket, practice, and self-esteem.
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Nov 5, 2011 06:54
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Jon Joe posted:Pack 1, Pick 2: Voiceless Spirit is a better pick by far; it's lower on the curve, in the same color your first pick was, and still a spirit. I feel like, if you're going to force U/W spirit early, Battleground Geist is the right pick. I also think that you're getting strong black signals, and I would have started picking it up around pick 3. e: If it makes you feel any better, packs 2 and 3 were pretty weak and I would have been dismayed with them no matter what I'd drafted in pack 1. resting bort face fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Nov 5, 2011 |
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Nov 5, 2011 06:55
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Take this with a grain of salt, since I don't know the format well, but... It seems to me like your big problem was staying in W. Obviously Monk is great, and you third-picked a white card too (though maybe Silent Departure would have been better?), but by p1p5 or p1p6 it should be obvious that it's just not coming to you. Grab that p6 Unbreathing Horde and p7 Ghoulraiser (and maybe p5 Abattoir Ghoul) and all of a sudden you're in zombie business. Reap or Drownyard p8, another Ghoulcaller and Reap in picks 11 and 12. It's impossible to say what would have happened, but the gas certainly seems to be there early in packs 2 and 3. I don't know how strong the archetype really is, but it seems like your deck would have been much better.
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Nov 5, 2011 07:02
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Loot Pinata posted:Ugh, why am I so bad at drafting. I need serious help: Looked like black was kind of open there. You got passed a victim of night and abattoir ghoul came a few picks later. You aren't getting tricked into anything you just seem to like taking worse cards before better cards and then you start mixing signals by taking off color poo poo randomly. Don't splash for BB spells, it's too hard on mana. Cards you can splash for are poo poo like grasp of phantasms. You don't need it early and it's a super super powerful card that only requires a 1 off color mana.
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Nov 5, 2011 07:06
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Looking back in retrospect, I guess I was trying to force spirits and got too attached. If my picks had gone like: Geist-Honored Monk Voiceless Spirit (would it have been too soon to grab the Victim of Night?) Moan of the Unhallowed or Silent Departure Dead Weight Abattoir Ghoul Unbreathing Horde Ghoulraiser Altar's Reap I feel like I'd have been in a better position.
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Nov 5, 2011 07:23
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decided to try my luck at the late PTQ tonight, lost the first match 1-2. My deck is fine, I just couldn't draw more than 2 lands in an opening hand despite a mulligan each game. I think I just need to stop playing MTGO for a while.
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Pyrolocutus posted:Speaking of Heretic's Punishment, I saw a game in another draft pod at FNM in which a guy lost to decking himself with Heretic's Punishment. He could have won if he had his Geistflame...but it was the last card in his deck. (The other guy had a Trepanation Blade ready to go on a Doomed Traveler or its spirit token, and the Blade would have ended up milling the Geistflame. The Punishment guy couldn't have Punishmented the Geistflame and flashed it back, because that would have led to him being decked on his upkeep anyways, the way it worked out). I think you guys missed a play then. You don't actually die until you have to draw the card, and Geistflame is Instant. If the Punishment puts the opponent at 1 and you untap with 0 cards in library, you can still flash back the Geistflame on your upkeep to win the game. I actually hosed up during the prerelease because I boarded out Geistflame instead of Rolling Temblor against a green deck that had very few targets for either. The exact play came up, where I could have milled myself out and Punishmented him down to 1, then untap and kill with Geistflame on upkeep, except I had boarded it out. I knew at 2 cards left in my library that I had made the mistake, too, because I looked at what was in my graveyard and realized he was at 4 and I had 2 3's left in my library.
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Loot Pinata posted:Looking back in retrospect, I guess I was trying to force spirits and got too attached. If my picks had gone like: Yup. Basically, if you ever get to the end of a draft going "why the heck didn't I get enough good cards in my color?!" then someone messed up. Occasionally it was the player next to you (I once had an M12 draft where I had 3 Chandra's Outrage in my first 5 picks, but the dude on my left forced R because of a second-pick Goblin Chieftan and the dude on my right got scared of my deck and started hatedrafting red), but usually it's you. But it happens to all of us from time to time; just gotta keep making it happen to you less. Mornacale fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Nov 5, 2011 |
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I had a funny match win on Friday Night Magic today, and I wanted to check here to make sure we got the rules correct on this one. I was playing a Burning Vengeance Red/Blue deck for INN draft, I had 2 cards left in my deck and my opponent was at 4 health. I had 2 Burning Vengeance out. On my turn I draw the 2nd to last card, a think twice, which I cased to have 0 cards left, and flashed back for the final 4 damage. Everyone in the store came to the conclusion the 4 damage resolved before the card would be drawn, so I was given the win for that match. Was this the correct out come? Either way it was a pretty hilarious way to end a game.
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Nov 5, 2011 08:43
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yo5ty posted:I had a funny match win on Friday Night Magic today, and I wanted to check here to make sure we got the rules correct on this one. This is correct. When you flashed back Think Twice, your Burning Vengeances triggered and went on top of it on the stack. They both resolved, putting your opponent at 0 life. He then lost the game as a state-based effect while Think Twice remained on the stack, waiting to make you lose.
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Mornacale posted:This is correct. When you flashed back Think Twice, your Burning Vengeances triggered and went on top of it on the stack. They both resolved, putting your opponent at 0 life. He then lost the game as a state-based effect while Think Twice remained on the stack, waiting to make you lose. Yeah that is how it was explained to me at the time too. I wasn't 100% sure of the play at the moment I had played it, as I am still mastering the various timing rules of Magic, but it was my most playable move so I had to give it a shot.
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Nov 5, 2011 08:51
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yo5ty posted:Yeah that is how it was explained to me at the time too. I wasn't 100% sure of the play at the moment I had played it, as I am still mastering the various timing rules of Magic, but it was my most playable move so I had to give it a shot. Well, I'm glad you tried it. 
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Speaking of rules, if two of my Master Thiefs (played consecutive turns) target the same opponent owned artifact, do I maintain control of it until I lose both of them (they died in consecutive turns as well)?
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Bottom Liner posted:Speaking of rules, if two of my Master Thiefs (played consecutive turns) target the same opponent owned artifact, do I maintain control of it until I lose both of them (they died in consecutive turns as well)? Yes.
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Ultima66 posted:I think you guys missed a play then. You don't actually die until you have to draw the card, and Geistflame is Instant. If the Punishment puts the opponent at 1 and you untap with 0 cards in library, you can still flash back the Geistflame on your upkeep to win the game. The non-Punishment guy was at 6 life with the vig griffon, a Mausoleum Guard, and two spirit tokens coming at him, with a Doomed Traveler + Blade on the board and the Geistflame as the only card in Punishment-guy's library. He blocked the Guard with his Traveler and Brimstone Volleyed the griffon, dropping to four life. If the Punishment guy had Punished the Traveler then flashbacked the Geistflame, non-guy would have taken four from the tokens/Guard, dropped to two (and the Geistflame is now gone, so can't be killed with it), and Punishment-guy decks himself on his next turn. If he didn't go through the steps, the Geistflame gets milled by Trep Blade and he gets decked on his next turn. Maybe I'm missing something, but there's no way that the Punishment guy could have won given what he had.
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Finally had enough people to do a ISD draft, my first crack at limited. Ended up starting out strong in white and figured to be W/G after getting a Daybreak Ranger. Then Brimstone Volleys started coming to me. Then all the other good red morbid cards. I ended up with a weird fliers/red morbid card deck with an absurd amount of removal and a lot of value creatures. Ended up winning on the strength of my removal plus Butcher's Cleaver and mask. Thanks for the tip on mask, it made my dumb ghost tokens major threats, and made Thraban Militia a beast (especially if he had a cleaver in the other hand). Got a sixth Snapcaster Mage in my prize packs too. I did want to ask what are the archetypes for red? No one seemed to want anything to do with it and I just ended up shoehorning good red cards into my deck. Snacksmaniac fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Nov 5, 2011 |
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Pyrolocutus posted:The non-Punishment guy was at 6 life with the vig griffon, a Mausoleum Guard, and two spirit tokens coming at him, with a Doomed Traveler + Blade on the board and the Geistflame as the only card in Punishment-guy's library. He blocked the Guard with his Traveler and Brimstone Volleyed the griffon, dropping to four life. If the Punishment guy had Punished the Traveler then flashbacked the Geistflame, non-guy would have taken four from the tokens/Guard, dropped to two (and the Geistflame is now gone, so can't be killed with it), and Punishment-guy decks himself on his next turn. If he didn't go through the steps, the Geistflame gets milled by Trep Blade and he gets decked on his next turn. I don't feel like trying to figure out the life totals and such, but you can cast an instant on your upkeep after you untap, but before you draw. You do not draw during your upkeep, that's the draw phase, which is after upkeep.
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subx posted:I don't feel like trying to figure out the life totals and such, but you can cast an instant on your upkeep after you untap, but before you draw. You do not draw during your upkeep, that's the draw phase, which is after upkeep. Non-Punishment: At 6 life 2/2 griffin 2/2 Mausoleum Guard 2 1/1 Spirits coming at him 6 damage total Blocks Guard with Doomed Traveler (4 damage still not taken care of) Volleys griffin (2 damage not taken care of) Takes 2 damage from tokens At 4 life post-combat Has 1/1 Spirit token on board If the Punishment guy had flipped the Geistflame into his GY with Punishment to kill Traveler, then flashed to back to kill token, he still would have only gotten through for four and left the non-guy at 2 life, then decked himself during his next turn. If he did nothing, the other guy would have equipped Trep Blade, milled the Giestflame, then the Punishment guy would have been left with only one damage (flashbacked Flame) vs four life. If the Punishment guy had Punished non-guy directly then flashbacked Geistflame, he would have left the non-guy at 2 life.
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Snacksmaniac posted:I did want to ask what are the archetypes for red? No one seemed to want anything to do with it and I just ended up shoehorning good red cards into my deck. R/G werewolves, R/B vampires, R/U Burning Vengeance, R/W aggro with Rally the Peasants. Yes, those are all actual real archetypes, although some work better than others (I don't think vampires is very good.)
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Nov 5, 2011 15:44
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Thanks Ash. I didn't get any Rallys but I think it would have helped.
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Nov 5, 2011 15:52
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I draft 4 Shocks, Incinerate, Consume Spirit, 2 Volcanic Dragons, Chandra's Outrage, Sengir Vampire -- and lose 0-2 in the first round. I AM PUTTING ON MY CRANKY PANTS.
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Nov 5, 2011 16:20
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16 lands or am I screwed? http://tinypic.com/r/260fo8z/5
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Mr McDefault posted:16 lands or am I screwed? Pike out, in my opinion. You're playing too many enchantments and artifacts for the Pike to shine.
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Nov 5, 2011 18:09
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Yeah, but I kind of want the first strike... ok, yeah. Boarding out haha
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Nov 5, 2011 18:34
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Mr McDefault posted:16 lands or am I screwed? You're going to have a solid consistent early game 
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So overall is everyone happy with Innistrad and limited? Because I love it.
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I think it's the most fun I've had drafting since the time block
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whats the best bot for selling older boosters to? I have some urza block packs I want to offload so I can draft som innistrad but I'm not quite sure how much I can get for them.
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