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ArchangeI posted:And Red Storm Rising was written in large parts by Larry Bond. In effect, it was the first "Tom Clancy" Book. No Jack Ryan, John Clark, or Ding Chavez. That's why it was an entertaining book aside from the fact that the Russians at their own hands prevented the conventional war from going nuclear and going apocalyptic at that rate. Seriously, at the rate that Tom Clancy went crazy, one might as well watch All This and World War II for a war experience.
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Personally, Team Yankee was my favorite of the WW3 novels from the late 1980s. I was hugely infatuated with tanks at the time, so I loved this book to death.
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The WWIII series by Ian Slater are the worst, and therefor best, WWIII books out. Holy gently caress are they ridiculous.
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Nov 6, 2011 15:04
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VikingSkull posted:The WWIII series by Ian Slater are the worst, and therefor best, WWIII books out. Does everyone die and/or have mutant children? That's the only way to do WWIII in a classical sense. Otherwise we get stuck with a terrible/realistic Middle East war.
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Nov 6, 2011 15:07
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Oxford Comma posted:Personally, Team Yankee was my favorite of the WW3 novels from the late 1980s. I was hugely infatuated with tanks at the time, so I loved this book to death. Oh, I've got the entire Harold Coyle "tank battle in Europe" stack o' books. Team Yankee and The Ten Thousand are the best of the bunch. Can't I still like Without Remorse from Clancy? Fond of Clark sniping guys with his .22 lr with magic brain seeking bullets and the decompression chamber scene.
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Nov 6, 2011 15:49
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NosmoKing posted:Oh, I've got the entire Harold Coyle "tank battle in Europe" stack o' books. Team Yankee and The Ten Thousand are the best of the bunch. As a stand-alone it's ok if you believe that Kelly died in the foolish escape attempt and drowned with his boat and gave up his sweet rear end vacation home.
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Nov 6, 2011 16:03
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VikingSkull posted:The WWIII series by Ian Slater are the worst, and therefor best, WWIII books out. What? No love for The Guardians series? Actually started out decently, a higher-than-typical level of writing skill, then got really really silly in later books. Great scene with two V-150 Commandos fighting it out with an AC-130 that's stuck on the runway.
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Team Yankee is decent but the war seems way too drawn out. Crossing into the GDR on D+18? Bitch puh-lease you wouldn't have had any ammo left. Then there is the problem of Coyle basing his tactical outlook on Hackett's strategic vision in 'World War III: the untold story", a book which has a lot of problems. Red Army by Ralph Peters is the best WWIII porn out there if only for the reason that it's written from the Red perspective and captures the speed and intensity of mechanized warfare very well. Oh and the Soviets actually achieve a limited victory in Red Army. I'm in the process of developing an early 80s WWIII scenario with a friend of mine, it'll center around Dutch forces fighting a delaying action from the Elbe back towards Bremen and across the Weser. We already did a nice fact-finding mission on the Lüneburger Heide and went to the Panzermuseum in Munster. Anyone got some random suggestions for going forward with this? What would you guys like to see/read in a WWIII setting?
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Koesj posted:Team Yankee is decent but the war seems way too drawn out. Crossing into the GDR on D+18? Bitch puh-lease you wouldn't have had any ammo left. Then there is the problem of Coyle basing his tactical outlook on Hackett's strategic vision in 'World War III: the untold story", a book which has a lot of problems. SHOW ME YOUR SHELVES OF SHAME!!   
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All those trees died for nothin'.  I have cleansed out all my shameful books otherwise I would have some good competition for those pics.
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Nov 6, 2011 19:54
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priznat posted:All those trees died for nothin'. This is just the stuff I found on closeout at th bookstore. This in no way represents the totality of my lovely cold war war-porn consumed.
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I remember having a book on north Korea invading the south involving tunnels and commandos landing via inflatable boats. It had a silver cover, anyone know it?
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priznat posted:I remember having a book on north Korea invading the south involving tunnels and commandos landing via inflatable boats. It had a silver cover, anyone know it? Sounds like _Phoenix_ by Larry Bond. If you think Clancy's stuff is bad, dear lord, Larry Bond. I think the best one was where South Africa nukes the Cubans who landed in Angola.
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Nov 6, 2011 21:05
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Red Phoenix! That's the one, Larry Bond, yup. Pretty sure I bought it in an airport which says it all.
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Nov 6, 2011 21:08
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priznat posted:I have cleansed out all my shameful books otherwise I would have some good competition for those pics. As a rule when I read trash fiction I immediately give it away. Really its just going to take up space and i know i ain't gonna read it again. I sent two large boxes of lovely scifi novels to a buddy of mine at fort hood who was preparing to deploy. He was a PS so I'm wondering if he doled out 40k novels as either reward or punishment.
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Nov 6, 2011 21:12
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Scut posted:The awesome Fairey Gannet! Thanks for posting these pics, there is something about the gannet that just is awesome. A guy who has a plane in our hanger used to have one, sadly I wasn't there when he had it.
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Nov 6, 2011 21:41
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Clancy went crazy? what? Someone tell me about this, please. All I remember reading is Hunt for Red October and two-three others, which I didn't think were bad at all, but this was like fifteen years ago.
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I could use some suggestions for war porn novels that aren't batshit Freeper material. A hard find, indeed.
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More propsanity, the Republic XF-84H Thunderscreech. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_XF-84H    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFhSzReWTgs It was based on the Thunderjet, but with a propellor attached right onto the drive shaft of the jet engine. I think the wiki article mentions that it was so terrifying to fly that one of the test pilots refused to go up in it again after his first flight. The engine in this produced nearly 6000 hp, which did some crazy things with a propeller. The blades spun so fast they created sonic booms and had to be really beefy and square just to survive. Another little neato thing you can see in a couple of those pics is a flip-out turbine at the base of the tail for providing auxiliary power. 
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Colonel K posted:Thanks for posting these pics, there is something about the gannet that just is awesome. A guy who has a plane in our hanger used to have one, sadly I wasn't there when he had it. Did someone say Gannet? 
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Lobster God posted:Did someone say Gannet? That is the sassiest looking airplane ever. edit: 
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nnnnghhhhgnnngh posted:Clancy went crazy? what? His books took a decidedly sharp turn to the right over time. The best example of this of the latter books of his that I read were the bad guys in Rainbow Six: evil enviro-hippies. Seriously. They wanted to infect everyone at the olympics with a super bug (that they had a vaccine against) to quickly depopulate the planet so they could live in natural glory. Because the loved trees more than crippled children, one of whom they execute on live TV early on in the story.
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Scratch Monkey posted:His books took a decidedly sharp turn to the right over time. The best example of this of the latter books of his that I read were the bad guys in Rainbow Six: evil enviro-hippies. Seriously. They wanted to infect everyone at the olympics with a super bug (that they had a vaccine against) to quickly depopulate the planet so they could live in natural glory. Because the loved trees more than crippled children, one of whom they execute on live TV early on in the story. That book ruined the water misters at the zoo. I can't walk through one without a serious  .
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Scut posted:More propsanity, the Republic XF-84H Thunderscreech. You left out the best bit about the Thunderscreech - the sheer noise of it running would cause seizures, nausea and according to some, involuntary bowel evacuation.
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Scut posted:Another little neato thing you can see in a couple of those pics is a flip-out turbine at the base of the tail for providing auxiliary power. I agree its cool but RATs are pretty ubiquitous, especially on aircraft that don't have an APU to provide hydraulic pressure in the case of main engine failure.
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SyHopeful posted:I agree its cool but RATs are pretty ubiquitous, especially on aircraft that don't have an APU to provide hydraulic pressure in the case of main engine failure. Yeah, RATs were pretty much standard equipment on fighter aircraft in the '50s and '60s. There was a pretty good article on the Thunderscreech in Air and Space a while back...the title was "ZWRRWWWBRZR" Here's an excerpt: quote:IT WAS THE ERA OF SOUNDED-LIKE-A-GOOD-IDEA-AT-THE-TIME DESIGNS. Airplanes that took off straight up, hanging from enormous contra-rotating props or climbing a beanstalk of jet thrust. Jets launched from flatbed trucks, flung into the air by rockets. Inflatable airplanes. Flying wings. Tail-less deltas. Jet seaplanes. Jet seaplane fighters. So there was nothing unusual about taking an early jet fighter, the Republic F-84 Thunderjet, and putting a propeller on it.
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iyaayas01 posted:Yeah, RATs were pretty much standard equipment on fighter aircraft in the '50s and '60s. If they made a movie about the development of the M2 Bradley, they totally should make a movie about a early cold war prototype plane that could make people poo poo themselves and have fits because of the propeller.
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SyHopeful posted:I agree its cool but RATs are pretty ubiquitous, especially on aircraft that don't have an APU to provide hydraulic pressure in the case of main engine failure. I could be mistaken, but I was under the impression that the Thunderscreech was the first use of a retractable RAT.
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Cyrano4747 posted:That is the sassiest looking airplane ever. This is genius. The Gannet's got mad booty and ability to accessorize.
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Scut posted:I could be mistaken, but I was under the impression that the Thunderscreech was the first use of a retractable RAT. It very well might've been, I didn't know that. I interpreted your comment on them more as "oh hey look at this gizmo, rare and unique like the Thunderscreech!" and, well, iyayaas set the pace of pedantry in this thread 
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Scut posted:More propsanity, the Republic XF-84H Thunderscreech. The local airport used to have the only remaining Thunderscreech mounted on a pylon outside. Every time I drove by I always wondered about that mutant looking plane. Now I wish I had taken pictures of it before they took it away. And NosmoKing, your books of shame don't include any of the Dale Brown series. I had about four or five of those before they got a bit too crazy for me.
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Scut posted:I could be mistaken, but I was under the impression that the Thunderscreech was the first use of a retractable RAT. Nope, you're right, I overlooked that little tidbit, whoops. diremonk posted:The local airport used to have the only remaining Thunderscreech mounted on a pylon outside. Every time I drove by I always wondered about that mutant looking plane. Now I wish I had taken pictures of it before they took it away. Don't worry, it went to a better place. From the Air & Space story I linked to above: quote:Only a single XF-84H survives, the number-two airplane having been junked. The original test bed spent several decades at the entrance to Meadows Field, the Bakersfield, California municipal airport, where an electric motor in the spinner turned the prop at a stately 10 rpm, hardly hinting at the ’Screech in full song. In 1992, the old gate guardian got hangar space at the U.S. Air Force Museum in Dayton, Ohio. It has since been restored to display condition, and about a year ago was finally put on exhibit in the museum’s experimental-aircraft hangar.
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iyaayas01 posted:Don't worry, it went to a better place. From the Air & Space story I linked to above: To be honest, almost any place is better than Bakersfield.
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Phanatic posted:What? No love for The Guardians series? I *love* The Guardians - until it gets caught up in escalation (the more books, the more the "threat" has to increase, so four guys end up fighting off entire battalions and surviving) and as best I can tell it went from the original authour to a different one (or a really ham-handed editor) in the last few. The last even vaguely readable one was "Death From Above", where they go all Moonraker on the Giant Space Laser Station. The one following it blatantly turns to poo poo as they're making re-entry... major characterisation changes, and of course they have to end up in the middle of a Soviet-remnant assault on landing.  The actual (original) writer was Victor Milan, and he was throwing in SF/comics injokes in spots - there were a ton of references in that last readable one, so I think he was ending his contract and went out swinging. Not sure about the spinoff series, which I forget the name of, except that I recall it being so shite that I used the book as tradefodder. For truely horrible warporn, I find James Rouch's THE ZONE to be just the thing to make you want to wash your hands/mind afterwards. Techonofetishism, perversion, gratuitous violence and more swearing (at times in a most curious manner) than you can shake a hovercraft APC at... Jerry Ahern's The Survivalist started off standard Cold-War-Gone-Hot survivalist-porn, but over time it went all  to the point that I quit reading.War... war kills trees.
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Ok, if books are being talked about you have to mention "Wingman". Simply the best, bought the whole series for $30 bucks at a used store.
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Koesj posted:Red Army by Ralph Peters is the best WWIII porn out there if only for the reason that it's written from the Red perspective and captures the speed and intensity of mechanized warfare very well. Oh and the Soviets actually achieve a limited victory in Red Army. I read that whole book with my teeth gritted internally arguing with the guy. The problem is he's a better writer than Clancy so his bullshit is more insidious. Aha, a visit to Wikipedia tells me that this is the same guy that wrote the famous "Dude, Where's My Civil War?" piece, claiming there was no civil war in Iraq. In 2006.
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If we're talking about writers that went insane you could talk about Dale Brown. Why yes, Russia just nuked nearly every military site in the US and then convinced the president to not retaliate. Better call in the remote controlled b-52's to invade russia on their ow- gently caress why did I read those books.
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iyaayas01 posted:I was poking around Wikimedia, and I found some pictures...you can click all of them for bigger but the resolutions vary: What's going on here? Are these flares that are getting dispensed by being thrown out the side window or something?
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