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r.y.f.s.o. posted:I'll pimp the CSULB BJJ club, meets like 3 times a week, cheap dues and great instructors. I'm actually in LB very near the college.
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Zeitgueist posted:I'm actually in LB very near the college. Cool, if you have interest in competitive hugging, then you might like BJJ. For real though it's loving awesome and will get you in crazy good shape. It's a god damned hard workout. Like, I did a sprint triathlon last weekend and at the end I felt roughly how I feel after an hour of really hard training. It also reminds me of chess in terms of thinking and strategies, and in my opinion is particularly beautiful to watch when done well. Kung fu and such are cool and all that, but among my reasons for doing martial arts is a love of sparring, and among the fightin' martial arts BJJ lets me spar hard with relatively low risk of serious injury. Especially to my face. r.y.f.s.o. fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Nov 10, 2011 |
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kimbo305 posted:In re sternum pain, I asked in the medical subforum because I have long stretches (several weeks) sternum pain that is helped by popping, and someone mentioned this: Holy poo poo, I've had this for a while now and didn't know it was an actual medical syndrome. Thanks for the info!
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swmmrmanshen posted:how cool would it be to say that you are the last living practitioner of a cultural practice stupid. i'd feel stupid
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What I want to know is what the trident in his turban is for. Headbutt techniques?
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Ashenai posted:What I want to know is what the trident in his turban is for. Headbutt techniques? It looks like it's either a knife or a comb and you're looking at the handle. Might also just be a decorative piece. Sikhs actually have some cool military culture. They tend to go into the military at a huge rate compared to other cultures and a lot of their religious observances are about being ready for battle. i wouldn't be surprised at all if that's a legitimate martial art.
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I love seeing the natural progression of understanding techniques. Yesterday, I was drilling a little bit with a friend after class, and we did some silly 10th planet technique from half guard to get the truck, a crotchripper/electric chair or a back mount. It didn't occur to me until after I had done the technique a few times that the last time I'd tried this, a couple of years ago, I'd been completely baffled by it, and unable to get it to work. Now I picked it up after a single attempt, just because I'm somehow better at moving my body than I used to be. Feels good, man.
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Bohemian Nights posted:I love seeing the natural progression of understanding techniques. That's very true. One of the small thing that amazes me everytime is just how much better you get at moving on the ground without even thinking about what you're doing. I still remember the days when I needed to think before doing a scarf hold/kesa gatame and now I'll be on the ground and transition from position to position without even thinking about it because I'm looking a couple of moves in advance hoping to get a submission. The way everything now just flows naturally really amaze me. Basically I get more amazed by the small things that get natural and automatic than by doing some sweet rear end technique that amazed me when I was beggining. KingColliwog fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Nov 10, 2011 |
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Nov 10, 2011 18:29
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I'd count that moment of recognition where you realize you've committed a move to muscle memory so well it's instinct as one of my favorite parts of martial arts. Basically I'm a big child who is finally able to go "wheeee I'm a ninja!"
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Nov 10, 2011 19:24
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Bohemian Nights posted:I love seeing the natural progression of understanding techniques. I'm a 10th planet nerd. Do you know how to evil rainbow your legs? It won't be useful in getting to any of the techniques you mentioned, but it does appear in a lot of places. If used in conjunction with the crotch-ripper/electric chair it'd make the submissions come a lot quicker.
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Nov 10, 2011 19:39
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Kumo Jr. posted:I'm a 10th planet nerd. Do you know how to evil rainbow your legs? It won't be useful in getting to any of the techniques you mentioned, but it does appear in a lot of places. If used in conjunction with the crotch-ripper/electric chair it'd make the submissions come a lot quicker. Sometime people complain that Judo techniques name are hosed up and need translation, but god drat does 10th planet doesn't make sense. It's also very hard to look most things up on google. I've been searching for what "evil rainbow" is and I'm only get text about how evil rainbow the legs while electric chair from stoner control and crotch-ripper :| I'm so confused now
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Nov 10, 2011 20:35
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KingColliwog posted:Sometime people complain that Judo techniques name are hosed up and need translation, but god drat does 10th planet doesn't make sense. It's also very hard to look most things up on google. Eddie has terminology for everything. It's so that he can communicate precise ideas with his instructors over the internet. I've also found it extremely hard to look up names on google, because sometimes you just can't find any resources outside of first-hand instruction. The evil rainbow comes up anytime you're in a lock-down on an opponent's leg. It's especially useful when going for a sweep for a bottom lockdown to a top-control position, but it can be used to add extra leverage to certain leg-lock submissions. It's very difficult to describe, but it's essentially rocking yourself up on to your side by using a pendulum motion with your legs which can look like a rainbow. Hence "evil rainbow". Here's a video that's close, it'll give you an idea of what I mean. http://www.10thplanetjj.com/threads/5004-Electric-Chair-Win-Grappler-s-Quest
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Kumo Jr. posted:I'm a 10th planet nerd. Do you know how to evil rainbow your legs? It won't be useful in getting to any of the techniques you mentioned, but it does appear in a lot of places. If used in conjunction with the crotch-ripper/electric chair it'd make the submissions come a lot quicker. I hadn't seen that specific technique, but it looks very similar to the regular whip-up from the lockdown, but I'm liking the rocking motion-bit. That works for a lot of positions. Also, KingColliwog yeah, the 10th planet technique names are beyond weird and usually not quite as intuitive sounding as like a figure four lock or armbar or something, but they're also often hilarious and refreshing in a not taking things so seriously kind of way! r.y.f.s.o. posted:I'd count that moment of recognition where you realize you've committed a move to muscle memory so well it's instinct as one of my favorite parts of martial arts. Yeah, I think that pretty much sums up what I was getting at, in not so many words. It's interesting to me, and hard to explain to complete beginners, how big a role muscle memory plays. I mean, I'm sure a completely fresh white belt thinks you're making poo poo up when you say that you can do stuff without painstakingly thinking through every step, but a lot of jujitsu basics is something I can just DO now, like tying my laces or riding a bike-- of course, there's always room for refining the techniques and making sure that the technique stored in your muscle memory is the best it can be. Completely unrelated; it went by me, but last month marks my third year with jujitsu, and holy poo poo has it changed my life for the better. People can say what they want about taking advice from the internet, and especially from goons, but god drat if I'm not glad I listened to whoever told me to take it up in W&W all those years ago.
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Bohemian Nights posted:I hadn't seen that specific technique, but it looks very similar to the regular whip-up from the lockdown, but I'm liking the rocking motion-bit. That works for a lot of positions. Yeah I think you've got the right idea (and you've probably described it better than I have), but you use one 10th planet technique to describe another one. It is basically a whip-up (except you can get it from more positions/submissions than just from the bottom in half guard), and it includes the pendulum motion of starting in the opposite direction that you want to go and following through with the momentum into the evil rainbow. I should also note that you can go from an evil rainbow into a whip-up, or from a whip-up into an evil rainbow. 
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Here's a really stupid question, but bear with me I'm just getting started. How much of BJJ actually requires "no strength at all"? I mean, obviously, everything goes better when you're stronger; aside from this. A lot of times my teacher says something like "and maintaining this position doesn't even require any strength! At all!" And I've heard this from many people about many different moves. It's just that everyone who says that something doesn't need strength happens to be, conveniently, really loving strong in all the muscles you'd need if the movement did indeed require strength.
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Cyphoderus posted:Here's a really stupid question, but bear with me I'm just getting started. All moves require some amount of strenght and in the vast majority of scenario using more strenght will make the technique better. That being said, I've been destroyed by people much weaker than me and I have destroyed people much bigger than me. In a lot of moves, you use a lot of leverage so you don't actually need to use a lot of strenght to produce a lot of power.
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r.y.f.s.o. posted:I'd count that moment of recognition where you realize you've committed a move to muscle memory so well it's instinct as one of my favorite parts of martial arts. I feel this way every time I instinctively foot sweep someone the moment they step off balance.
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Cyphoderus posted:Here's a really stupid question, but bear with me I'm just getting started. You'll get frustrated for awhile, being smaller. But we have advantages that bigger guys don't: We're more mobile, we don't tire out as easily, and we can slip through tiny cracks in an enemy's defence. You'll just develop a different game to the big guys, is all. You're also going to learn the finer points of a move faster, because a big guy can sometimes force a move to work that they've only half learned, while you'll get more direct feedback and keep practicing until it's perfect. In the long term, you'll learn better habits. Cheer up: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1mbho_marcelo-garcia-v-ricco-rodriguez_sport
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02-6611-0142-1 posted:You'll get frustrated for awhile, being smaller. But we have advantages that bigger guys don't: We're more mobile, we don't tire out as easily, and we can slip through tiny cracks in an enemy's defence. You'll just develop a different game to the big guys, is all. You're also going to learn the finer points of a move faster, because a big guy can sometimes force a move to work that they've only half learned, while you'll get more direct feedback and keep practicing until it's perfect. In the long term, you'll learn better habits. holy poo poo the slam. Is this legal?
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I'm curious, what is officiating like at BJJ competitions? I know in Judo people always complain, but I hear that officiating in BJJ/other grappling can be even worse. Any anecdotes or such?
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Nov 11, 2011 04:25
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swmmrmanshen posted:I'm curious, what is officiating like at BJJ competitions? I know in Judo people always complain, but I hear that officiating in BJJ/other grappling can be even worse. Any anecdotes or such? The IBJJF tournaments are well officiated, some local tournaments are officiated rather poorly. However, on balance the officiating is better than people think because half the time people bitch about a ref screwing up is actually someone not knowing the rules.
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Nov 11, 2011 05:54
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KingColliwog posted:holy poo poo the slam. Is this legal? The way it looks to me, Marcelo spends the whole time trying to finish with a rear naked choke, Ricco pulls an illegal slam, Marcelo gets pissed off, gives up on the submission he wanted and takes whatever's easiest, and suddenly he's won. It feels a little bit like he was toying with him all match long.
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KingColliwog posted:holy poo poo the slam. Is this legal? In ADCC final competitions I'm pretty sure it is. Marcelo is by all accounts a great guy. But sitting on someone's back while they're standing or holding closed guard when someone is standing straight is all kinds of dumb. (Marcelo only has the seatbelt grip, he does not have any particular submission...) It is a very sport way of thinking.... ("Oh, the rules will protect me!"  )Just because something is illegal or a foul. Does not mean you should be putting yourself into that position. Like folks in Judo trying to stop themselves midfall. Or other stupid poo poo that happens in combat sports. If in your sport of choice, something a novice or untrained person would do that is common sense or an educated guess or whatever. Then you should probably come up with a way of dealing with it, or preventing it. TLDR, even extremely talented people can make dumb decisions or mistakes. Senor P. fucked around with this message at 07:14 on Nov 11, 2011 |
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Bohemian Nights posted:Completely unrelated; it went by me, but last month marks my third year with jujitsu, and holy poo poo has it changed my life for the better. People can say what they want about taking advice from the internet, and especially from goons, but god drat if I'm not glad I listened to whoever told me to take it up in W&W all those years ago. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2974242 These are the guys to thank.
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Senor P. posted:In ADCC final competitions I'm pretty sure it is. Slamming is only legal in ADCC to escape submissions. Also I totally disagree with the part you wrote in bold. Of course it's a sport way of thinking they're competing in a sporting event! Should guys stop pulling guard because they could get ground and pounded too? What an untrained person would do in a given situation should have no bearing on how you compete at the highest level of a sport.
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"Man, the hands-down greatest grappler alive is so stupid at grappling."
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swmmrmanshen posted:I'm curious, what is officiating like at BJJ competitions? I know in Judo people always complain, but I hear that officiating in BJJ/other grappling can be even worse. Any anecdotes or such? In my experience it is bad almost to the point of being dangerous to the competitors at most BJJ tournaments.
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I've had points just not counted by biased judges, been reset in bad positions and even forced to stand back up when a guy disengaged from my guard (should be a warning or foul against him, instead I had to get up). Reffing is bad, it's a big reason I don't really compete anymore.
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dokomoy posted:Maguilla is across the country so I haven't heard much about him but I read this about him on sherdog Thanks for that, I was wondering if he was really as great as he projects himself to be. I'll keep looking around, though I might want to go down to check it out. Either way, thanks again!
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Thoguh posted:In my experience it is bad almost to the point of being dangerous to the competitors at most BJJ tournaments. I don't compete very much either, but I've heard stories of how confusing the rules have become. There's a bunch of extremely technical rules about crossing the center plane with leg locks, and doing inside reaps of a knee... (just two examples I've heard recently). I'm pretty sure that if I were to compete I'd break a rule without even knowing about it. I'm a believer in using whatever technique works the best regardless of the style it comes from, but it seems like BJJ is going in the Judo direction and attempting to dictate specifically what is and isn't BJJ.
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Which is especially silly because BJJ is literally just a collection of effective techniques, unlike Judo which is designed to facilitate the transfer of certain philosophical principles (Zen/mutual benefit/gentleness).
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Kumo Jr. posted:I'm a believer in using whatever technique works the best regardless of the style it comes from, but it seems like BJJ is going in the Judo direction and attempting to dictate specifically what is and isn't BJJ. As a side note, rules differ depending on whether you are in NAGA or GQ or IBJJF or ADCC or FILA and whether you are in gi or no gi.
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Ridleys Revenge posted:Which is especially silly because BJJ is literally just a collection of effective techniques Is this a serious post? BJJ is Judo Newaza with a century of development on the techniques.
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gently caress yeah, I somehow got down to 160 pounds already! Will have to do very little to make weight on the day of the comp! Also I have a question for you guys. What is your preferred way to train grip strength? It's something I'm always trying to improve and right now I do : Deadlifts, dumbbell holds, extending fingers while I have an elastic band around them, pull-ups while grabbing on fabric instead of a bar and will probably add some stress ball stuff while at work. Always looking for new stuff to integrate so things get less boring and repetitive.
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Filipino martial arts get a lot of respect from the combat sports community for its aliveness and realism in weapons training, yet I don't see anyone implementing Filipino empty-hands stuff into MMA or kickboxing. Why is that?
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Isn't there a goon who trains at Marcelo Alonso's place in Seattle? I've been trying to get a hold of the gym (I've tried email and phone), and I'm wondering if I should just show up in person, as I haven't heard back. The reason I ask is the website says to call or email to schedule a trial lesson, and I don't want to step on any toes.
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KingColliwog posted:
The guys that I know who have ridiculous grip strength got that way from grappling in the gi. There are some really good partner drills you can do: - One partner lies down, the other stands over him and grabs his collars to do deadlifts - Same positioning but the guy on the bottom does pull-ups (requires similar body weights and standing partner to have strong posture). (You can vary these movements by gripping the collar, sleeves, or with a pistol grip) - I'm not sure what these are properly called, but my instructor calls them "suicides" and it's one partner turtled with the other partner reaching underneath to grab the far collar lapel. Then he flips over the partner, and uses his core and grip to pull himself back over in reverse for each rep. - Jiu-jitsu/Judo tree... One partner stands with strong base while the other partner climbs around him. - Variation of above in turtle position on the ground. Participant must go from back mount swinging underneath his partner and back up to back mount without touching the ground. Just some ideas.| Edit: I just thought of another good one that my instructor has us do as a warm-up. It's a passing the guard drill, but the person on the bottom has to grab his own belt with one of his hands. He can defend and attempt to maintain guard at close to full speed, but he only gets his guard and one hand. When you've only got one hand to work with, I find that you hang on to a grip much harder and longer. Kumo Jr. fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Nov 12, 2011 |
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Halloween Jack posted:Filipino martial arts get a lot of respect from the combat sports community for its aliveness and realism in weapons training, yet I don't see anyone implementing Filipino empty-hands stuff into MMA or kickboxing. Why is that? Just because something 'works' doesn't mean it has a place in MMA. Judo works, and judo rules, but wrestling is more effective in a no-gi environment against a strong and skilled opponent. It doesn't mean that judo is bad or anything, it's just been phased out of MMA over time so that the most you'll see now is an occasional suprise uchi-mata off the fence. If the MMA rules dictated that everyone wears a gi, it might be a different story. I don't know much about filipino hand to hand stuff, but I would assume that if you haven't seen it in MMA yet, it's probably less effective than boxing or whatever. Doesn't mean that it's bad or anything.
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Senor P. posted:TLDR, even extremely talented people can make dumb decisions or mistakes. 02-6611-0142-1 posted:"Man, the hands-down greatest grappler alive is so stupid at grappling." Should I work some magic and ask Mr. Garcia? See if he considers what he did a mistake or perhaps not the best decision? You know, a mistake? Maybe you could try completing this sentence for me, since I'm not getting it. "I intentionally put myself in a position where my opponent could and did hurt me, it was __________________" dokomoy posted:What an untrained person would do in a given situation should have no bearing on how you compete at the highest level of a sport. You don't have to compete in ADCC to know that someone CAN slam you if they're standing straight and you are high on their back. And if you just ignore that possibility, especially in a high stakes game, then I personally think it is dumb. But hey folks in high level matches play with honour and integrity cheating, fouls, and scandals never happen. People at the top level in their respective combat sports never do anything sketchy. Considering there are a numbers of throws that are perfectly legal where you can land on your opponent. A backward slam in this particular case (3-4 feet above the ground) seems much more closer to a throw or takedown landing on the guy, not lifting the guy up and slamming him from a triangle or armbar (5 or 6 ft.) In Judo, BJJ, and wrestling you're not allowed to slam your opponent head first into the ground. However in all three throwing them or taking them down such that they land on the front, back, or side is okay. Even if you fall on top of them. Lets take a look at some 'slams' Video 1 Double leg, lifts up and falls ontop of the other guy. To me it seems the guy actually does hit his head. But the throw is not really done with the intent of knocking the guy out. Video 2 One guy goes for a single leg, other Guy jumps for a guillotene. It does not appear locked to my eyes. The other guy throws/stumbles into a high crotch. Opponent is thrown and appears uninjured. Thrower loses match by default. (I think it is a poor call and ideally this guy should not have been disqualified.) Video 3 A very intentional slam occurs, which does deserve a DQ. Back to the Garcia video It all comes down to if you consider someone falling ontop of you to be a slam or a throw. Do you generally get a penalty if you stumble and land on top of the guy? No. Do you get a penalty if you throw/takedown the guy and land on top of them? No. In a normal tournament do you generally get a DQ if you pick up someone from guard and slam them? Yes. Does ADCC allow slamming to defend submissions? Yes. Does this person lift or pick up Marcelo? No. I suppose what it all comes down to, is what is your (and ADCC in this case) definition of a slam. ADCC Rules and Regulations posted:Slamming can be used only in order to prevent a submission. Otherwise is considered as illegal. **Edit Marcelo by all accounts is cool and extremely talented guy. But ignoring an obvious mistake, does not jive with me. It's like saying that there is nothing wrong with what happened in this video. Senor P. fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Nov 12, 2011 |
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