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Well Manicured Man posted:Does this mean the kids from the old universe are doomed, like all those non-alpha timeline Daves? No, because this is still part of the same timeline as before. It's not that the alpha timeline actions never occurred and all our protagonists became betas; it's just that the universe in the alpha timeline was reset. It's not that the timeline reset, it's that the conditions in that timeline were totally reset instead. Look at it as them totally resetting the machinery of the universe from square one. The old "software" run before still happened, it's just been totally wiped clean by the reset. So since the kids escaped their scratching session, they are all still in existence, still alpha. But there are "clones" of them as it were in the New Earth. Not paradox clones, not causal clones, not even cross-universe clones, just clones.
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I don't think the artifacts mean there were two copies of each kid meteor. The kids/guardians/artifacts probably got distributed the same way they were in the first session.
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WAMPA_STOMPA posted:I don't think the artifacts mean there were two copies of each kid meteor. The kids/guardians/artifacts probably got distributed the same way they were in the first session. Things get weird when we get to Cal, though. Did the Scratch also reset the trolls' timeline so that there's another version of Gamzee currently hating Cal into existence in the dreams of scratched-Bro?
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It never occurred to be that Jane, Jake etc. would be copies of the babies from the first session. If the characters from this universe are literally copied from the the first session's ectobiology babies, then how would the whole ectobiology thing for the new session work out? I guess there's the fact that Jake's hand in creating the bunny ultimately contributed to the Scratch, and thus the new universe's existence, which would bypass the need for ectobiology if they are indeed copies from the first session.
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Gabriel Pope posted:Things get weird when we get to Cal, though. Did the Scratch also reset the trolls' timeline so that there's another version of Gamzee currently hating Cal into existence in the dreams of scratched-Bro?
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Gabriel Pope posted:Things get weird when we get to Cal, though. Did the Scratch also reset the trolls' timeline so that there's another version of Gamzee currently hating Cal into existence in the dreams of scratched-Bro? I think the defense portals don't seem to really "care" what universe they are sending meteors into, whether it's pre- or post-scratch. It's like the same singular meteor was sent back into the universe from the incipisphere, but the destination changed after the scratch. Therefore John's ectobiology session is still the one that spawned the kids and their guardians, it's just that after the scratch they no longer went to the pre-scratch Earth. What does this mean for the upcoming session for Jane and company? Who knows. Maybe it will be the same sort of problem the pre-scratch trolls encountered. Maybe there is not going to be any ectobiology involved at all.
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Maybe the way the glitch will manifest itself this time around is that they won't do ectobiology in the new session. So basically the reverse of the situation that happened with the trolls.
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Nov 12, 2011 19:32
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Regy Rusty posted:Maybe the way the glitch will manifest itself this time around is that they won't do ectobiology in the new session. So basically the reverse of the situation that happened with the trolls. The glitch won't manifest this time around, that's the whole point of it in the first place. English only creates the glitch so that a session is unwinnable and necessitates a Scratch. The Scratched universe proceeds smoothly, but English then engineers events so that the players will somehow flub the creation of the next universe and make another, unwinnable session. Basically, the pattern is glitch-Englishverse-glitch-Englishverse, and so on.
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Gabriel Pope posted:Things get weird when we get to Cal, though. Did the Scratch also reset the trolls' timeline so that there's another version of Gamzee currently hating Cal into existence in the dreams of scratched-Bro? Gamzee (or more specifically, the Subjuggulators) acted essentially as agents of English through their actions by perpetuating that aspect into the session. Given that it's highly likely that the post Scratch version of Earth includes a Lord English summoning device, it's highly likely that they don't need anything other than English himself to cause Cal here.
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Whoa. What in the hell does the HAT have to do with the matriorb?
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New Panels are up, cockslaps. http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006023
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FewtureMD posted:Whoa. What in the hell does the HAT have to do with the matriorb? It's all codes. Combining random stuff sometimes makes completely unrelated things.
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FewtureMD posted:Whoa. What in the hell does the HAT have to do with the matriorb? It doesn't. It's the standard thing we've seen since the beginning about how the combining of different objects can produce the same code.
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So this basically proves that Betty Crocker also made the game software? What doesn't that Batterwitch do? Also, has the font size changed? I'm sure the font size was a little smaller before.
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Wow, the first really useful fetch modus. I'd bet it'll come in handy later.quote:In public, you and your DAD made quite the pair. Everyone could tell by a glance that you were your father's daughter, sired from his loins directly and genetically, through what was undoubtedly a natural process of human procreation involving a man and a woman. People would definitely nod and say, "Yep, that little lady sure did emerge from a womb on account of that gentleman's awesome virility." Hussie, you tease.
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tinaun posted:Wow, the first really useful fetch modus. I'd bet it'll come in handy later. Are you suggesting John's early "launch everything at you enemies accidentally" fetch modus wasn't useful?
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Nov 12, 2011 21:25
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Looks like they found a use for the Ultimate Alchemy.
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Has anyone suggested that this batterwich might actually be fereri instead of the condecse? Cause that might could be a thing.
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Hmm. Wouldn't it be possible to derive the matriorb captcha code from the hat, houseplant and dream bubbles book? Also the matriorb being used to make a parent's hat kind of makes sense in a way.
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FaceTime posted:So this basically proves that Betty Crocker also made the game software? She adapted it. Again, the universal game software is self creating. When you have something create itself, you don't need someone who "makes" it originally.
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It'll never happen but it would be pretty funny if, in the course of what's coming up, someone does manage to get the matriorb back somehow and then turns around and uses it to make a hat.
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tinaun posted:Wow, the first really useful fetch modus. I'd bet it'll come in handy later. But you need to already own the object so that you can captchalogue it and then see how to make it. That might be useful in some cases, but most of the time it would just be frustrating because you would alchemize something and then your modus would show you how you could have created it more cheaply  .Slime posted:Hmm. Wouldn't it be possible to derive the matriorb captcha code from the hat, houseplant and dream bubbles book? Well, mathematically speaking, the recipe for the hat plus the relevant codes would give you some amount of partial information about the code for the matriorb, and the remainder would have to be found out by brute force (which could be really easy or really hard depending on how much information isn't determined). John did some reverse-engineering of the sort in a really easy case, and Sollux did something along those lines too. Of course, with this being Homestuck and all, there's a good chance that mathematical ambiguity could be circumvented by shenanigans. FrictionlessEmu fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Nov 12, 2011 |
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FrictionlessEmu posted:But you need to already own the object so that you can captchalogue it and then see how to make it. That might be useful in some cases, but most of the time it would just be frustrating because you would alchemize something and then your modus would show you how you could have created it more cheaply It probably works with ghost images though, since they give the captchalogue code for the actual item rather than the ghost image itself. Plus you could probably plug the modus itself into a shunt on the alchemiter to get it to show all the recipes for an item you haven't made yet.
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This does tell us that creating items through different means costs different amounts of grist, which is potentially interesting information.
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Well, now we know how they're gonna save the troll race. If that's still a thing people want to happen. I mean, they've kind of a got a track record of screwing themselves and everyone else over.
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Tollymain posted:Well, now we know how they're gonna save the troll race. If that's still a thing people want to happen. I mean, they've kind of a got a track record of screwing themselves and everyone else over. It will later turn out that literally every item in SBurb has at least one combination that can make it using the matriorb as an ingredient. Some have two or three.
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President Ark posted:This does tell us that creating items through different means costs different amounts of grist, which is potentially interesting information.
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Who the hell cares about recipe modus and matriorb when when you have this!!! A super secret hidden on the MSPA ebwsite!Regy Rusty posted:It isn't a secret. It's been listed in the Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff comic list since it came out. Oh, nevermind. I thought it was some hidden extra pertaining to what we saw in [S] Act 6. 
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QueerPope posted:Who the hell cares about recipe modus and matriorb when when you have this!!! A super secret hidden on the MSPA ebwsite! Because we all already knew about it.
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It isn't a secret. It's been listed in the Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff comic list since it came out.
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Ah, a return to the captchalog hijinks we know and love. <sits back, lights pipe, brushes mangrit out of beard...>
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So much like the scratched troll session created a massive bloodthirsty empire to be better suited to the game, the scratched kid session created fetch modi that aren't a pain in the rear end to work with?
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So would it be safe to say that the "Fatherly Gents Shaving Almanac" is a rather hammy book? Ham. Steak.
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Tollymain posted:Wow. Just read an entire blog about somebody reading the entirety of Homestuck over the course of 2 months or so. They started out basically roasting it. And then changed their mind once the story got underway. It's a hilarious read, but it's also kind of nostalgic. I can remember going through a lot of this stuff. It's been a hell of a ride, hasn't it? God, this woman is the opposite of funny. Her "roast" bit at the start is just groan-inducingly petulant.
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Android Blues posted:God, this woman is the opposite of funny. Her "roast" bit at the start is just groan-inducingly petulant. Really? I just read through the whole thing and it was pretty interesting to see how they got hooked. The beginning read to me like someone coming into Homestuck with the wrong impression, thinking like the people who swear to never read Twilight because they think it's loving retarded and "it's just loving sparkly vampires what else would I ever want to know". Except you know, what most people hear about homestuck are all the in-jokes which is what turns them off and unlike Twilight there's usually more to it than what you can hear in passing. It was a pretty good read for me at least. She caught stuff I never did when I first anyway.
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One page update, pretty much confirms that her dad is Dad. Also, quote:Since then, the author has been steadily updating PROBLEM SLEUTH 2, which you have been following avidly. You are happy that he stayed in that lane, and stuck with a time-tested formula. If he went in a different direction, you probably would have found it really disappointing. 
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tinaun posted:One page update, pretty much confirms that her dad is Dad. Now that I thought about it, the lack of a Problem Sleuth 2 is pretty disappointing.
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King of Solomon posted:Now that I thought about it, the lack of a Problem Sleuth 2 is pretty disappointing. I consider the Midnight Crew Intermission a de facto Problem Sleuth sequel. It's just as screwy.
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tinaun posted:One page update, pretty much confirms that her dad is Dad. Are you sure about that? Because the love of redneck comedy stylings, combined with the fact that he's prepared to ground as well as dote, suggests to me that her dad could be John. Post-scratch John, I mean.
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