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Hints? Literally every Betty Crocker logo just became a carbon copy of the symbol for the queen's warship, and Jane now has a miniature weaponized version of that logo. I think we're long past "hint" territory.
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Most of those are about the Condesce being on Earth, and she was there before the scratch anyway. We may get more information on her, but the rest of the troll race doesn't necessarily have to show up.
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Happy Yeti posted:Most of those are about the Condesce being on Earth, and she was there before the scratch anyway. We may get more information on her, but the rest of the troll race doesn't necessarily have to show up. They certainly don't. The Condesce suddenly disappeared probably because she found a way to jump to the scratched universe, and has now influenced human culture to a far greater extent than was desired or necessary before. It would be very easy for a time-hopping alien with knowledge of (despite little expertise in) advanced technologies to shift humanity towards interplanetary travel or greater by our current time. The matriorb appearing in the recipe list just means that it is a component of and a result of the punch-card based alchemy, just like every other object in the whole story. And what better way to remind the audience that it exists than to teasingly and nonchalantly disregard it, like Hussie has done with almost every other plot device at some point in time?
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Happy Yeti posted:Most of those are about the Condesce being on Earth, and she was there before the scratch anyway. We may get more information on her, but the rest of the troll race doesn't necessarily have to show up. But they probably will for the following reasons: TOAST7312 posted:Except for all the hints, you know. The multiglobal empire and "your kind" lines are a pretty dead giveaway. Especially the "your kind" line.
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TOAST7312 posted:Another indication of troll presences on post-scratch earth is the Matriorb depicted on the back of the hat card. Knowing Hussie, that is another hint right there of troll presence. Or it's just an indication that as we already know alchemy can create pretty much anything from anything, since anything can be captchalogued. About the only indication we have of trolls beyond the Condesce are the person watching the exile terminal who has stubby grey troll kid fingers and "the only one of your kind". And the second one doesn't necessarily mean trolls, even. I personally think it's likely there's either some seeeerious class stratification going on much like arbitrary blood colours in troll society or there's aliens, possibly trolls about. But right now we don't have enough info to say "hussie is telling us there are trolls intermingled with earth society".
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Don't forget the mystery troll operating the (exile?)terminal with Alternian text on the screen and keyboard. That's definitely important for whatever's going on with this post-scratch world. Edit: EFB on that one And, if given the chance, it only makes sense that the Troll Empress would want to re-establish her species on a new planet- especially if it's one where they can subjugate the current inhabitants. It's not a 100% thing at this point, but it'd make a lot of sense for there to be trolls on scratched-earth, given the circumstances and the hints so far. (Jane recognized what a troll was when mentioning the Little Monsters poster) Sea Lily fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Nov 15, 2011 |
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Since I seemed to miss it, how exactly did the Condesce get to Earth the first time around?
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GenericOverusedName posted:Since I seemed to miss it, how exactly did the Condesce get to Earth the first time around? Shenanigans! Which should be the correct response to any inexplicable plot detail
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More to the point, the Condesce presumably still works for Lord English (and Doc Scratch, if he's in the post-Scratch kidverse as I suspect.)
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GenericOverusedName posted:Since I seemed to miss it, how exactly did the Condesce get to Earth the first time around? You haven't missed it. Almost everything about her has been intentionally vague. Presumably, that will change before these kids get into the session.
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MrBims posted:They certainly don't. The Condesce suddenly disappeared probably because she found a way to jump to the scratched universe
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In other unrelated, but just as important news, Jeffrey Rowland (@wigu) is currently livetweeting his trip to Olive Garden with Andrew Hussie. HISTORY FOLKS!
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King of Solomon posted:...Hussie's actually going to the Olive Garden? This is bigger than any plot twist Homestuck has to offer. I am proud to have seen this moment.
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In ten years, we'll all remember where we were when Hussie actually went to Olive Garden. He's even allegedly using his special Olive Garden funds!
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Will he try to map out the infinite breadstick and salad causality loops while there? If anyone can solve that perplexing riddle, it's him.
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I knew my donation to this cause would be worth it one day.
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Did a bit of archive diving, and found this little gem in a pesterlog:quote:GG: yes but.... The Jake English pesterlog suddenly makes a lot more sense.
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Hm, interesting stuff. How does he have access to those weapons? Will he send the bunny and the weapons back from inside the game, or does he have the necessary Skaia tech in his home?
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Dolash posted:Hm, interesting stuff. How does he have access to those weapons? Will he send the bunny and the weapons back from inside the game, or does he have the necessary Skaia tech in his home? Maybe it's John who gave him the weapons, and he has access to those weapons because he got them from the bunny. Time fuckery again.
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Slime posted:Maybe it's John who gave him the weapons, and he has access to those weapons because he got them from the bunny. All those weapons blew away in the wind(y thing). Fortunately Dave has the sword, John has the hammer and needles, and the rife is outside Jade's house so it's all good.
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Slime posted:Maybe it's John who gave him the weapons, and he has access to those weapons because he got them from the bunny.
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So the rifle came from Eridan, the needles from Echidna(?), and the sword as part of Dave's personal quest. Are we left with assuming that the Warhammer of Zillyhoo originated with Gamzee? 2 weapons from denizens and 2 from trolls. I guess what I question now is how these weapons were ever acquired pre-SGRUB. (The ancestors, maybe?)
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I really want to be all excited about the new kids but honestly my heart is stuck with the trolls and I'm not so interested in this arc given I'm pretty sure that Hussie has decided to kill em all to clear the way for more human kids. Human kids are so god damned boring.
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Mr. D Bewildering posted:So the rifle came from Eridan, the needles from Echidna(?), and the sword as part of Dave's personal quest. Are we left with assuming that the Warhammer of Zillyhoo originated with Gamzee? 2 weapons from denizens and 2 from trolls. I'm pretty sure the Rifle belonged to Eridan's ancestor. As for why Gamzee had the warhammer of Zillyhoo, maybe he just reached up into an idea he had of it... And...
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Citizen Rat posted:I really want to be all excited about the new kids but honestly my heart is stuck with the trolls and I'm not so interested in this arc given I'm pretty sure that Hussie has decided to kill em all to clear the way for more human kids.
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Citizen Rat posted:I really want to be all excited about the new kids but honestly my heart is stuck with the trolls and I'm not so interested in this arc given I'm pretty sure that Hussie has decided to kill em all to clear the way for more human kids. What on Earth gave you that idea?
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Citizen Rat posted:I really want to be all excited about the new kids but honestly my heart is stuck with the trolls and I'm not so interested in this arc given I'm pretty sure that Hussie has decided to kill em all to clear the way for more human kids. We have one kid who's being subtly brainwashed by "They Live"-style subliminal messages and one who
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King of Solomon posted:What on Earth gave you that idea? Oh, I don't know, because of the twelve we start out with only 5 of them are alive?
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King of Solomon posted:What on Earth gave you that idea? The fact that he spent so much time on them killing Vriska, calming Gamzee and escaping Jack and oh wait that is actually evidence the trolls aren't an afterthought. Hussie wanted to do the scratch and kid-guardian swap even before starting Act 5 Act 1, so it isn't like he has gotten bored of the surviving trolls and wants to chase this tasty carrot of four new kids instead. We will get back to the trolls soon enough. After all these kids get in their new session, probably. In five months, probably.
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Citizen Rat posted:Oh, I don't know, because of the twelve we start out with only 5 of them are alive? That's great evidence that Hussie killed the trolls, but doesn't suggest poo poo about the post-Scratch guardians replacing them or that they were killed with the express purpose of replacing them. That's the part that's silly to me.
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Citizen Rat posted:Oh, I don't know, because of the twelve we start out with only 5 of them are alive? From his 2nd formspring: Andrew Hussie posted:Are you at all hesitant about killing off character after character of the main cast? I mean, we went from 16 trolls and kids to about... What, 8? 7 if Gamzee's dead, which I'm still hoping that he isn't. You're running out of cast members, man!
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KoB posted:Judging from Jake's frog temple, it seems to know that there will be 8 players. The temple looks to have 8 pillars to correspond to this. Which page are you getting that from? I can't seem to find it. The flash only shows 3 pillars (with a presumed 4th pillar behind the camera)
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King of Solomon posted:That's great evidence that Hussie killed the trolls, but doesn't suggest poo poo about the post-Scratch guardians replacing them or that they were killed with the express purpose of replacing them. That's the part that's silly to me. Replacing as in some sort of plot shenanigans? No. But more that the plot has now moved past them? Probably. I didn't say they were an afterthought, I said their section of the story is (maybe/probably) done.
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Citizen Rat posted:Replacing as in some sort of plot shenanigans? No. But more that the plot has now moved past them? Probably. I didn't say they were an afterthought, I said their section of the story is (maybe/probably) done. Right, that's true. That's not what your original post suggested.
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MrBims posted:From his 2nd formspring: Not seeing how this refutes my point. Their part of the plot is either over or near over. Now the plot is about the new kids. I'm not so interested in the new kids. Not sure why this is getting all the rage?
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Citizen Rat posted:Replacing as in some sort of plot shenanigans? No. But more that the plot has now moved past them? Probably. I didn't say they were an afterthought, I said their section of the story is (maybe/probably) done. You're right. The fact that the trolls are now physically grouped up with two of the four human main characters is indicative that they're not going to have any more role to play in the story. Clearly what's going to happen when the rest of the trolls arrive at the Green Sun where Aradia and Sollux are already hanging out with the Dersekids is that Dave will just go "welp peace out y'all" and they're going to leave the trolls sitting there staring at the Green Sun for the rest of time while they head back to earth.
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Bobulus posted:Which page are you getting that from? I can't seem to find it. Its looking out the front of the temple, with one pillar straight on and two at roughly 45 degrees, with that we can assume that there will be 8 to make it symmetrical.
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Gabriel Pope posted:You're right. The fact that the trolls are now physically grouped up with two of the four human main characters is indicative that they're not going to have any more role to play in the story. Clearly what's going to happen when the rest of the trolls arrive at the Green Sun where Aradia and Sollux are already hanging out with the Dersekids is that Dave will just go "welp peace out y'all" and they're going to leave the trolls sitting there staring at the Green Sun for the rest of time while they head back to earth. After the ripsnorting Troll-less adventure that is Act 6, Act 7 will be an epilogue of a single panel showing all the remaining Trolls still hanging out in front of the Green Sun with Karkat saying "WELL THIS HAS PROVED TO BE A loving COLOSSAL WASTE OF TIME."
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H.P. Shivcraft posted:After the ripsnorting Troll-less adventure that is Act 6, Act 7 will be an epilogue of a single panel showing all the remaining Trolls still hanging out in front of the Green Sun with Karkat saying "WELL THIS HAS PROVED TO BE A loving COLOSSAL WASTE OF TIME." It would be funny. And that is the abiding rule of Homestruck.
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