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Wait, what if UU is this Earth's (or another world's?) First Guardian through having the genetic code combined with a troll. Explains how Mom's void powers nullify the monitoring, explains the trolltag (UU has been previously associated with Bec -- Unbreakable Union, Umbral Ultimatum), explains the lime-green. Doesn't explain why she's not a servant of Lord English, though. EDIT: This is obviously a really longshot guess and would require a lot of lying on UU's part 
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H.P. Shivcraft posted:Oh also I don't remember if this was mentioned but the last few things uU says imply the Sassacre book in Jane's possession is in fact the one from the pre-Scratch kid session, with Nanna's inscription. This is probably what it is. But John landed with that book, didn't he? Which means he passed it along to his granddaughter, making it very old indeed. I wonder what she thought of that inscription. Also, if Bro is the Hero of Heart, that would only leave Jake with Hero of... Hope. But... Eridan... bleaurgh
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Nov 15, 2011 15:07
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Nate RFB posted:That is exactly what I was thinking. The implication that I got out of this conversation is that we are actually going to have two distinct sessions, one of the old and new kids, and one of apparently the trolls. If so, then I would have to believe it would be UU plus the trolls we already know. And that doesn't really work unless one bites it, and if one is going to die it will probably be Sollux. Thus UU should be Doom to have all 12 elements present. So we can't have two doom players, but we can have two time players? I don't think we're going to see Aradia die, although I suppose she might just not be going with the other trolls to wherever they're going. Also, drat, the male trolls got the short end of the stick. Karkat's the only one with some main-character screen-time and depth, all the others were just sort of plot devices and two-dimensional tools that got picked off. If Sollux dies and this new UU joins it's going to be four competent, depth-having female trolls, the one-dimensional murder-clown on a short leash, and poor dumb Karkat along for the ride.
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Nov 15, 2011 15:16
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Maybe UU is from the human sessions' child universe? The mention of "cosmic progeny" makes me wonder. And unreliant on LE/the green sun somehow. Perhaps UU is even the hypothetical 1-person session, based on the name. Edit: Ah, see this was mentioned last page.
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Nov 15, 2011 15:17
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dumb brunette posted:Wait, what if UU is this Earth's (or another world's?) First Guardian through having the genetic code combined with a troll. Explains how Mom's void powers nullify the monitoring, explains the trolltag (UU has been previously associated with Bec -- Unbreakable Union, Umbral Ultimatum), explains the lime-green. Doesn't explain why she's not a servant of Lord English, though. Another thing to question is UU's method of communication. She would have to be using a computer and not an exile terminal like we say in [S] Act 6 and right after that to use chat clients instead of speaking directly in the head of Jane.
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Nov 15, 2011 15:20
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Dolash posted:So we can't have two doom players, but we can have two time players? I don't think we're going to see Aradia die, although I suppose she might just not be going with the other trolls to wherever they're going. E: What would be kind of weird about this scenario is that most of the troll survivors are Prospit dreamers, and some would have to relocate to Derse...maybe? Actually that's assuming they get new dreamselves, which doesn't seem likely. Nate RFB fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Nov 15, 2011 |
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Nov 15, 2011 15:24
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Android Blues posted:Well, let's not be so hasty - Aradia could view Equius just fine as his server player, so it's possible it's specifically First Guardian/Green Sun-powered omniscience that Void heroes aVoid, or other special types - or maybe just sinister types that mean them ill. UU could be something we don't expect! Maybe the reason is Mom goes grimdark? That darkened the screens a few times. Or maybe it has to do with how powers seem to be different depending on the title, like Seer of Light and Thief of Light seem to have slightly different powers. (Though, Void power already seemed tactically useless for the most part, how much more useless would it be it if just stopped friends from seeing you…)
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Nov 15, 2011 15:25
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I've got it! It's so simple! UU's just a troll. Not as in grey-skinned, horns, all colors of the rainbow blood. She's just a shut-in nerd leading Jane on because it's funny.
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Nov 15, 2011 15:28
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Pleasant Friend posted:(Though, Void power already seemed tactically useless for the most part, how much more useless would it be it if just stopped friends from seeing you…) I don't think it's tactically useless, it was just the property of Equius (who didn't seem to know he had it) and Darkleer (who, if he knew about it, didn't use it except to be alone and sob about his exile). We saw how Mindfang used it to circumvent Scratch for thousands of years, and and if the power now resides in someone planning to make good on it, well.
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Nov 15, 2011 15:30
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I think it's most likely that UU is in whatever universe they make via the 8 planet session. She seems to be the inverse of Karkat and the other trolls- nice, helpful, pointedly no 'spoilers' about upcoming things the kids are going to do(other than some vague reassurances). Being from the universe they make rather than the one that makes them would keep to that inversion even further. It's either that, or she's not who she says at all and it's an elaborate scheme, which is also pretty possible, but would be kind of weird- we already have quite a few antagonists at this point. I dunno if we need more.
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Nov 15, 2011 15:31
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The thing about equius' latent Void powers is that even Hussie found it difficult to focus on him: You decide that we could probably stand to delay this guy's introduction a little longer. Why don't we see what someone else is up to. Anyone.
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Nov 15, 2011 15:31
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I like the first guardian idea. I'm going to go with that until a better explanation comes up.
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Nov 15, 2011 15:37
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dumb brunette posted:I think the lime-green whatever that UU is associated with is probably something close to the blood color Karkat would have had if he'd been in the right place in the hemospectrum (between Sollux and Nepeta) instead of a mutant. There's an empty spot in the spectrum, so there's an empty spot for our good friend Ophiuchus! Not quite, or at least I don't think so: there is an extra shade of green on the highblood's wall, accounting for the "gap" in the spectrum that Karkat occupies, but it's not very limey (well maybe a tiny bit limey.) Oh heh limey colo(U)red troll uses British slang. Andrew, you cad! YF-23 posted:Another thing to question is UU's method of communication. She would have to be using a computer and not an exile terminal like we say in [S] Act 6 and right after that to use chat clients instead of speaking directly in the head of Jane. Exile terminal, huh? Hmm hmm hmmmmmm. After winning a successful session the victorious players are supposed to get to move on to the universe they create. So... if the trolls hadn't hosed up they would presumably move on to the post-apocalyptic Earth, where they'd be rebuilding their species and civilization from the base established by the exiles. Maybe the Scratch did alter the circumstances of the Earth Genesis Frog's creation? You'd think it would almost have to, actually; otherwise the existence of post-Scratch Earth would be a paradox of the sort that paradox space does not abide.
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Nov 15, 2011 15:48
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It could be that momRose is grimdark in this timeline, so kidMom's viewport is dark when she's around her mom. This is probably meaningless, UU's text color is #929292, while Karkat's is #626262. I always kind of wondered why Hussie didn't just make Karkat's text color #696969. I'm not sure what else to think about this revelation. I understand buggywhipped fuckall right now.
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Nov 15, 2011 15:52
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uU posted:a wee bit more troUble
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Nov 15, 2011 15:56
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Hmmm, something worth noting All the previous kids and troll's handles abbreviated to combinations of GTAC, the nucleoside bases for DNA. U is the abbreviation for Uracil, which is the nucleoside base that 'stands in' for thyamine (T) in RNA. In almost all life (excluding some viruses), DNA serves the purpose of storing the genetic code, while RNA exists to actually make things happen. Before the genetic code can be translated into functional protein, it must be translated to RNA. It is then the RNA that is used to produce protein or perform a few other functions in the cell. Given all the pseudogenetics in the comic, I don't doubt that's purposeful in some way.
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Nov 15, 2011 16:06
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There's one more slightly worrying thing about this conversation that I haven't seen brought up explicitly: UU goes on about the arrival of "the other foUr of legend" and lists the aspects of the original flavour kids - but where does that leave the trolls? She doesn't say "the legendary octet of mUtUal progenitoriety and also their friendly sidekicks from another Universe" or anything. Taking what she says here as non-misleading truth, Dave and Rose are going to make it over just fine; and I very much doubt the trolls are going to just simply not reach the Green Sun, especially as Aradia has already claimed otherwise. So what's with that? Are they going to be doing something else, does UU somehow not know about them (unlikely given how much else she seems to know about the situation), or did she just think it not important or not appropriate to mention them? What Gabriel Pope said above might play into this, I suppose.
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Nov 15, 2011 16:06
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You know, I thought I had a pretty good idea of what's been going on, as a whole, in the Post-Scratch universe. But I give. I don't know what the gently caress anymore. I'm confused and it's amazing.
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Nov 15, 2011 16:17
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sansuki posted:The thirteenth troll is all the trolls in one. Like...like a lasagna. Layer of sauce, layer of troll. The thirteenth troll is all the trolls collaborating with each other to form the perfect mysterious future guide figure. Like a troll Voltron.
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Nov 15, 2011 16:21
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Jane is... actually typing reasonably. Have we seen that before?
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Factory Factory posted:Jane is... actually typing reasonably. Have we seen that before? Her quirk is more subtle - she just has some old-fashioned affectations, and of course does the weird Nanna laugh and the buckteeth smiley. It's pretty reasonable on the whole though yeah, but then so are all of the original kids'.
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dumb brunette posted:Wait, what if UU is this Earth's (or another world's?) First Guardian through having the genetic code combined with a troll. Explains how Mom's void powers nullify the monitoring, explains the trolltag (UU has been previously associated with Bec -- Unbreakable Union, Umbral Ultimatum), explains the lime-green. Doesn't explain why she's not a servant of Lord English, though. MY first instinct was that UU is the new-universe equivalent of Doc Scratch. And whos to say that UU ISN'T a servant of Lord English? Doc Scratch communicated with young girls, and appeared to be helpful to them too, before his ultimate purpose was unveiled. Given the creepy overtones so far in this universe I'm not gonna instantly assume this new presence is a benevolent one. Since this pretty much confirms that Jane is Maid of Life, then Jake would be Page of Life and Mom seems to be Void and Bro is Heart, going with what we already know. I wonder what their first part of their titles will be.
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Well Manicured Man posted:troll Voltron. I would pay good money if Hussie actually drew this.
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Nov 15, 2011 16:57
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AND I'LL FORM THE rear end.
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Nov 15, 2011 17:02
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Prison Warden posted:Since this pretty much confirms that Jane is Maid of Life, then Jake would be Page of Life and Mom seems to be Void and Bro is Heart, going with what we already know. I wonder what their first part of their titles will be. I'm going to guess Bard of Heart for Bro and Rogue of Void for Mom.
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Nov 15, 2011 17:06
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Nate RFB posted:Assuming no two roles will be used twice, then the available ones are: Mage, Rogue, Sylph, Thief, Bard, and Prince. The trolls' sylph is still alive (well, as good as) though.
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System Pelican posted:The trolls' sylph is still alive (well, as good as) though.
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So maybe this says more about me than it does about the pesterlog, but that whole conversation seemed a little more sinister and untruthful than anyone else seems to think. I don't know why, it's just all together too cheery, like everything has been post!scratch so far. I'm just not ready to label UU as a positive trustworthy source of information quite yet.
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marsattacks posted:So maybe this says more about me than it does about the pesterlog, but that whole conversation seemed a little more sinister and untruthful than anyone else seems to think. I don't know why, it's just all together too cheery, like everything has been post!scratch so far. I'm just not ready to label UU as a positive trustworthy source of information quite yet. Karkat's Brain + L'il Cal + Cueball + WOOF code = UU. Calling it (not really).
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Nov 15, 2011 17:28
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Android Blues posted:Her quirk is more subtle - she just has some old-fashioned affectations, and of course does the weird Nanna laugh and the buckteeth smiley. It's pretty reasonable on the whole though yeah, but then so are all of the original kids'.
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Nov 15, 2011 17:33
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Plom Bar posted:I think Factory Factory was referring to her typing animation. That said, I'm pretty sure all the kids but John type reasonably, but it's been so long since we've seen them type. Oh yeah! Haha, I actually thought she typed in a weird noodly sort of way, but I suppose it is more regular than the usual animation, now that I think of it.
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Nate RFB posted:Assuming no two roles will be used twice, then the available ones are: Mage, Rogue, Sylph, Thief, Bard, and Prince. Thanks, I was gonna check which roles were still left, but  If Bro is heart then hopefully we get to find out what Heart actually DOES, I think its one of the few roles we don't really know the powers of.
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Has anyone proposed the theory that the kids and trolls' two universes/sessions are so paradoxically connected that when the Scratch occurred and the kids' universe was reset, the trolls' universe was reset as well? Because that's kind of the vibe I'm starting to get. With UU talking about starting his/her own session in a universe parallel to Jane's (and the whole thing about the drama spanning across four universes), maybe it's a (yet again?) reset troll session, and we've flipped back to the ancestor trolls, of which UU is one (likely Karkat's/the sufferer, as was previously suggested). Could be interesting.
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The new troll being the Signless makes no sense though, other than the obvious parallel to Karkat's first appearance and the grey text. She's female, for one, and has been awake on Prospit most of her life. Assuming this is an ancestor, and the ancestors had the same roles in the game as the kid-trolls did, I'm guessing this new troll is the Dolorosa. She's obviously the space player, and her being so helpful fits with what little we know of the Dolorosa. If the ancestors don't have the same roles, though, it's anyone's guess as to which one she is. Comedy option: Mindfang.
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quote:UU: remember what i said aboUt the need for patience. 
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Hamiltonian Bicycle posted:There's one more slightly worrying thing about this conversation that I haven't seen brought up explicitly: UU goes on about the arrival of "the other foUr of legend" and lists the aspects of the original flavour kids - but where does that leave the trolls? She doesn't say "the legendary octet of mUtUal progenitoriety and also their friendly sidekicks from another Universe" or anything. The trolls arent part of this universe, so they might just be left out as normal players. Of course, there are seven trolls plus 1 new troll. TWO EIGHT PLAYER SESSIONS. Oh god I hope not.
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Well whoever UU is, if she's a troll then she's definitely a new one. Different font, different symbol. Remember all the current trolls got their signs from their ancestors, so they likely had those in the pre-scratch universe, too, if this is some weird mobius reach-around. I guess it could be the Signless, because, you know, signless, but I still think there's something else going on here... Maybe this is the theoretical single-player SBURB. Go UU, you can do it. All on your own. (Maybe this is a different troll from the same Alternia but... got the game somehow. Or something. Doesn't explain why she's so nice though.) Wait, no, UU is Betty Crocker. Okay, no, I have no idea what the gently caress. e: ^^^^^^^ seven?
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Idunn posted:The new troll being the Signless makes no sense though, other than the obvious parallel to Karkat's first appearance and the grey text. She's female, for one, and has been awake on Prospit most of her life. Also: she has a sign. While alive. That seems to be more than enough evidence that she's not the Signless.
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I wonder why UU's text is grey, though. She's almost certainly a troll, so unless she also has mutant blood, it doesn't make a lot of sense for her to hide it. This probably doesn't mean she's the Signless or anything, but that has to have some significance outside of "oh hey it's inverse Karkat."
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Aurantinidin posted:I wonder why UU's text is grey, though. She's almost certainly a troll, so unless she also has mutant blood, it doesn't make a lot of sense for her to hide it. This probably doesn't mean she's the Signless or anything, but that has to have some significance outside of "oh hey it's inverse Karkat." If she's from a pre-Scratch Alternia, perhaps there's no oppressive caste system and she just uses grey because she likes it.
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