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Nov 15, 2011 22:41
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No Bec is almost a certainty as the first guardian of this universe is pretty sure to be something different (and at least likely to be some iteration of Doc Scratch, though that's not confirmed yet).
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Nov 15, 2011 22:43
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Veev posted:Well if there's no Harley, can we assume there is no Bec also? There probably isn't. In all likelihood, since Doc Scratch was the one who convinced the kids to reset their universe, it was so that he could be the First Guardian of the post-reset Earth. I'm willing to bet that not only will post-scratch Earth's first guardian be cue-ball headed, but he'll be exactly the same as Alternia's Doc Scratch. Doc did say that instances of him exist in countless universes. He did not say they were actually different from one another. Haa haa. Hee hee. Hoo hoo.
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Nov 15, 2011 22:44
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Plom Bar posted:That's it that's all. John didn't send meteors to other universes, John had nothing to do with the creation of these kids, and there hasn't been anything at all to suggest otherwise. Yes, the roles have been reversed, but that doesn't change anything. The artifacts that were sent back with the babies strongly suggests that these are copies of the meteors sent by John. Most specifically, the the inscription on the book that's in Jane's own handwriting which we see in the Act 6 flash. It even has all the oil stains from LOWAS.
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Nov 15, 2011 22:44
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CidGregor posted:Another little detail of note that I haven't really seen pointed out: I assumed that Nanna was always named Crocker, she just took her husband's surname, thus Egbert, and Grandpa Harley took his name from his dog in classic Indiana Jones style. Maybe Grandma Jade married someone called English? Which is itself a chilling thought. Come to think of it, did we ever find out what happened to Bro and Mom after being put on those meteors in the original universe? How did they originally get those surnames anyway? Plom Bar posted:I seriously have no idea where this notion comes from. You completely misunderstand what i'm saying. When Terzei tricked John into fighting Hephestus early and being killed, resulting in DaveSprites' doomed timeline, John died before ever creating himself and his guardians through ectobiology, then sending them back through time. Which would mean that the kids and guardians were never born and just sprung up from the ether, creating a paradox.
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Nov 15, 2011 22:45
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So apparently Sburb knows that it is gearing up for an 8-player session soon. My question is, when they bring the planets into the new session, with a new Prospit and Derse, what happens if they get new dreamselves and die on their quest bed? Double God Tier?
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Nov 15, 2011 22:52
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Kazy posted:So apparently Sburb knows that it is gearing up for an 8-player session soon. My question is, when they bring the planets into the new session, with a new Prospit and Derse, what happens if they get new dreamselves and die on their quest bed? In [S] John: Enter Village, Vriska did say it was time for John to begin ascending the god tiers. Alternatively: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMcEBX74AWE
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Nov 15, 2011 22:55
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creationist believer posted:The artifacts that were sent back with the babies strongly suggests that these are copies of the meteors sent by John. Most specifically, the the inscription on the book that's in Jane's own handwriting which we see in the Act 6 flash. It even has all the oil stains from LOWAS. Chances are this will be explained when it's explained how Jake was able to send Liv Tyler to Jade. I dunno, it seems silly to me to ascribe so much thought to the ectobiology stuff.
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Nov 15, 2011 22:55
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Plom Bar posted:I seriously have no idea where this notion comes from. I don't know why you're responding to that quote with this, but actually, there is a lot that is very off with that assumption! I know the thread moves fast, but it boils down to two facts: 1) The ancestor trolls did not have an ectobiological origin from their own session. 2) Almost every item that John sent with the babies, including the two extra Cage bunnies who previously existed as the same bunny along different points in its history, has appeared in the scratched universe as though they came along with their associated baby. The aforementioned bunnies, the fedora, the flintlock pistols, Dream-Cal, the old Col Sassacre Book (*!!!). The only things missing are Mutie and Maplehoof, and we know Mutie has something to do with the Lalondes here. * We just learned from the pesterlog that the Sassacre book is possibly the same one that Nanna wrote in. Now how this new character would know this is up in the air, but that book specifically was carried away by Grandpa to the meteor where it went back with baby John, and was kept in Dad's safe. It is a little difficult to explain this one with just time loops!
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Nov 15, 2011 22:58
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Fortis posted:There probably isn't. In all likelihood, since Doc Scratch was the one who convinced the kids to reset their universe, it was so that he could be the First Guardian of the post-reset Earth. It would be incredibly satisfying to see Doc Scratch be beaten at his own game, so I'm actually kind of hoping that's the case. Assuming he does get beaten, of course.
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Nov 15, 2011 23:00
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Starmaker posted:I bet heart just allows the hero to try really god drat hard and do the impossible. You may be interested to hear Sock's take on the matter.
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Nov 15, 2011 23:00
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Regy Rusty posted:My guess would be that Nanna changed her name from Crocker to Egbert when she got married in the other universe. If John got married in the Scratched universe he likely would've kept the name Crocker. In response to this and the ten other answers like it, I was more asking what it might mean thematically from a storytelling perspective that mom and bro keep their namesakes but Jane and Jake do not (since previously people had wondered if ALL the reset kids might have somehow taken/been given names of known villains or what have you), as opposed to the literal reason for it. CidGregor fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Nov 15, 2011 |
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Nov 15, 2011 23:05
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creationist believer posted:Considering Jake says that Strider is online but has his autoresponder on and Jane says to UU that Lalonde hasn't been online all day, __ic is probably Mom and __ied is probably Bro. I really like t____Tonic and hope that you're right about that. Maybe Bro is triloquistGlorified. Speaking of, does anyone recognize the font that BettyBother uses?  
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Nov 15, 2011 23:09
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CidGregor posted:In response to this and the ten other answers like it, I was more asking what it might mean thematically from a storytelling perspective that mom and bro keep their namesakes but Jane and Jake do not (since previously people had wondered if ALL the reset kids might have somehow taken/been given names of known villains or what have you), as opposed to the literal reason for it. Since The Condesce/Betty Crocker probably works for Lord English, and Grandpa and Nanna ultimately changed their names when they escaped her grasp/she dissappeared, I think their post-scratch names are meant to show the influence LE and his ilk have over the new universe, presumably as planned.
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Nov 15, 2011 23:11
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Nestharken posted:Speaking of, does anyone recognize the font that BettyBother uses? About 90% sure this is Helvetica.
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Nov 15, 2011 23:14
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Plom Bar posted:John didn't send meteors to other universes, John had nothing to do with the creation of these kids, and there hasn't been anything at all to suggest otherwise. Yes, the roles have been reversed, but that doesn't change anything. This isnt a different Universe, its the exact same Universe and Earth, just reset and screwed with by a new Doc Scratch. So those meteors are already here, but simply rerouted to land at different points in time to have different Sburb players.
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Nov 15, 2011 23:16
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CidGregor posted:In response to this and the ten other answers like it, I was more asking what it might mean thematically from a storytelling perspective that mom and bro keep their namesakes but Jane and Jake do not (since previously people had wondered if ALL the reset kids might have somehow taken/been given names of known villains or what have you), as opposed to the literal reason for it. Well, their last names already fit with the 11 letter long names for one. (Egbert and Harley are 1 letter away from that.) That's probably why their names were changed in the first place, though obviously there are other story reasons for the change as well.
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Nov 15, 2011 23:56
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I wish I didn't have class this morning, and that such an explosive update wasn't dropped at 3 AM my time since I was asleep. But let me say that I am highly suspicious of UU. Her log is intentionally the exact opposite of Karkat's first log, however as we all know he turned out to be an actually cool and nice guy. This new troll is way too nice and congratulatory to be a very interesting character if she keeps it up. Personally I'm leaning towards a first guardian that actually lies like the rear end in a top hat they are.
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Nov 16, 2011 00:07
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I don't see why everyone is so sure that Kidmom is going to be Void. When I read that, the first thing that popped into my head was that Kidmom was going to go grimdark like someone else mentioned, just like her daughtermother Rose did. It's especially likely that Kidmom is going to go grimdark because UU mentions 'patches' of darkness whereas I was under the impression that Void powers made you always invisible to the First Guardian, not just sometimes
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Nov 16, 2011 00:29
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Ammat The Ankh posted:This new troll is way too nice and congratulatory to be a very interesting character if she keeps it up. Didn't some people say this about Jade way back when she was introduced? And then she turned out to be a pretty good character with depth and flaws and poo poo.
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Nov 16, 2011 00:31
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Cyrai posted:I don't see why everyone is so sure that Kidmom is going to be Void. When I read that, the first thing that popped into my head was that Kidmom was going to go grimdark like someone else mentioned, just like her daughtermother Rose did. It's especially likely that Kidmom is going to go grimdark because UU mentions 'patches' of darkness whereas I was under the impression that Void powers made you always invisible to the First Guardian, not just sometimes I don't think someone who says "BFFSIES 4EVERZ" would go grimdark for some reason. I like the idea that momRose went grimdark in this timeline too. She still goes to the grocery store all grey faced and glowy black speaking horrorterror gobbedlygook. Then whenever kidmom is around her, UU can't see her. We won't really know until kidMom and kidBro are introduced which will be an agonizingly long time.
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Nov 16, 2011 00:36
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Okay, why are there four kids again, and why do they look like the protagonists? I thought there were supposed to be only two heroes now.
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Nov 16, 2011 00:39
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Magikoopa189 posted:Okay, why are there four kids again, and why do they look like the protagonists?1 I thought there were supposed to be only two heroes now2. 1) They don't — they look like the guardians of the previous session. In fact, they ARE the guardians of the previous session. 2) Whoever told you that was wrong.
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Nov 16, 2011 00:43
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Rasamune posted:1) They don't — they look like the guardians of the previous session. In fact, they ARE the guardians of the previous session. Well, technically, because of the ectobiology, they are going to look sort of similar to the kids, i.e. Jane looks like Jade and Jake looks like John.
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Nov 16, 2011 00:46
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Rasamune posted:1) They don't — they look like the guardians of the previous session. In fact, they ARE the guardians of the previous session.
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Nov 16, 2011 00:52
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Magikoopa189 posted:Okay, why are there four kids again, and why do they look like the protagonists? I thought there were supposed to be only two heroes now. You seem to be thinking we're seeing the new universe created by jade's frog. But this is scratched earth.
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Nov 16, 2011 00:55
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I don't think the green snake symbol is actually UU's troll symbol, I'm pretty sure it's just related to the terminal she's using to communicate with the kids.
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Nov 16, 2011 01:07
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Hanks Lust Cafe posted:I don't think the green snake symbol is actually UU's troll symbol, I'm pretty sure it's just related to the terminal she's using to communicate with the kids. Well, of course not. This is her troll symbol. EDIT: I'm still banking on her being a transgender Signless from the pre-scratch troll session; it would just be too perfect. Rasamune fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Nov 16, 2011 |
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Nov 16, 2011 01:28
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Magikoopa189 posted:Okay, why are there four kids again, and why do they look like the protagonists? I thought there were supposed to be only two heroes now. Sorry, but you really have no idea whats going on.
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Nov 16, 2011 01:38
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Hey, so... dunno if this has come up before, but Homestuck music is coming to Rock Band Network. This is apparently an official thing, with the music crew behind it and everything. Really makes me wish I had a 360.
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Nov 16, 2011 01:39
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Rasamune posted:Well, of course not. This is her troll symbol. HUUSSSIIIIEEEEE
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Nov 16, 2011 01:47
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creationist believer posted:I don't think someone who says "BFFSIES 4EVERZ" would go grimdark for some reason. I like the idea that momRose went grimdark in this timeline too. She still goes to the grocery store all grey faced and glowy black speaking horrorterror gobbedlygook. Then whenever kidmom is around her, UU can't see her. We won't really know until kidMom and kidBro are introduced which will be an agonizingly long time. People had a problem viewing Rose when she went all Grimdark, but only when she was actually Grimdark, before that she was perfectly viewable just like any other player. Unless KidMom somehow has horrorterror powers now, way before she enters the medium, Void seems like a far more reasonable explanation. edit: Listening to those songs again reminds me of how reminiscent the music of HS is to famous videogame music. Fantastic. Rohan Kishibe fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Nov 16, 2011 |
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Nov 16, 2011 01:49
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There's no reason that void powers would have to be in effect all the time. And if she's the Rouge of Void her powers could manifest more unpredictably.Renaissance Robot posted:Didn't some people say this about Jade way back when she was introduced? And then she turned out to be a pretty good character with depth and flaws and poo poo. Yeah Jade is a nice kid, but at the same time she was pretty clueless (despite her Prospit viewing powers) and overly excitable. This new Troll girl seems to be laying it on a bit too thick.
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Nov 16, 2011 01:56
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Prison Warden posted:People had a problem viewing Rose when she went all Grimdark, but only when she was actually Grimdark, before that she was perfectly viewable just like any other player. Unless KidMom somehow has horrorterror powers now, way before she enters the medium, Void seems like a far more reasonable explanation. Has anyone shown any of their Hero of _____ powers before starting the game though? Sollux kind of I guess with his whole Doom thing. And I was suggesting momRose was the one who went grimdark, so kidMom is only viewable on UU's screen when she isn't around her mom. Edit: Poppop John was on Night Court. This is the best timeline. creationist believer fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Nov 16, 2011 |
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Nov 16, 2011 02:00
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Ammat The Ankh posted:There's no reason that void powers would have to be in effect all the time. And if she's the Rouge of Void her powers could manifest more unpredictably. This is true, I just think its more likely than her having magic powers pre-sessi- Oh geez, update. Nice to see John was pretty darn successful in life then. You cannot hope to beat
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Nov 16, 2011 02:03
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oh look, Jane's tiaratop looks just like Feferi's tiara, complete with symbol. Hussie is certainly laying it on thick now. edit: can't wait to see Jane go gently caress up some of the Emperess' goons, once she realizes how she's been controlled all her life.
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Nov 16, 2011 02:05
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Can't help but noticeUNREAL HEIRESS THOUGHTWAVE TIARATOP looks like Feferi's tiara. It is probably also a mind-control device, knowing what the rest of Crocker's products are like. E:f;b
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Nov 16, 2011 02:05
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Prison Warden posted:People had a problem viewing Rose when she went all Grimdark, but only when she was actually Grimdark, before that she was perfectly viewable just like any other player. Unless KidMom somehow has horrorterror powers now, way before she enters the medium, Void seems like a far more reasonable explanation. Well, yeah, UU has access to the Guardians' full timeline, which was how he was able to orchestra the conversations so they enter the game on the same day. If Kidmom did go grimdark, he would be able to see every time except then. I suppose you could interpret that sentence to mean that he can see her up until she would get Void powers, but saying she's hard to view because there are patches of darkness lead me to think it's the regular grimdark disappearance. creationist believer posted:I don't think someone who says "BFFSIES 4EVERZ" would go grimdark for some reason. I like the idea that momRose went grimdark in this timeline too. She still goes to the grocery store all grey faced and glowy black speaking horrorterror gobbedlygook. Then whenever Kidmom is around her, UU can't see her. We won't really know until kidMom and kidBro are introduced which will be an agonizingly long time. Someone who said that wouldn't go grimdark in usual circumstances, but S/URB changes people. Karkat would never have mellowed out without the game. It's just a theory, though
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Nov 16, 2011 02:06
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I wonder how hard John is going to flip his poo poo when he finds out about Jane's crocker obsession. 
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Cyrai posted:Well, yeah, UU has access to the Guardians' full timeline, which was how he was able to orchestra the conversations so they enter the game on the same day. If Kidmom did go grimdark, he would be able to see every time except then. I suppose you could interpret that sentence to mean that he can see her up until she would get Void powers, but saying she's hard to view because there are patches of darkness lead me to think it's the regular grimdark disappearance. Well, it's worth mentioning that there is no evidence suggesting that Grimdark is something that you can turn off. For all we know, it's permanent. Void powers could likely be activated/deactivated on the fly.
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