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Olde Weird Tip posted:im this guy http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e23_1278608899 is that supposed to be bosozuko? If you want to talk crazy/annoying exhausts I'm pretty sure boso is the top of the totem pole
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I want to club every last guy with those fishtail pipes
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Nov 17, 2011 02:29
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Snowdens Secret posted:is that supposed to be bosozuko? If you want to talk crazy/annoying exhausts I'm pretty sure boso is the top of the totem pole Nope that's just a dude in 'burbs with excess sheet metal and time.
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Nov 17, 2011 03:50
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My response to a moron saying LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES is if you're worried about safety, put a bright orange safety vest on over your black leather vest/wife beater. It'll cost you $10 at Walmart and truly help make you more visible and safer on the road. I've yet have one good reply to that. slidebite fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Nov 17, 2011 |
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Nov 17, 2011 05:17
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Snowdens Secret posted:is that supposed to be bosozuko? If you want to talk crazy/annoying exhausts I'm pretty sure boso is the top of the totem pole The GSXR megaphone guy and this guy need to hook up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKttT4szNzo&feature=related
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Nov 17, 2011 05:33
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slidebite posted:My response to a moron saying LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES is if you're worried about safety, put a bright orange safety vest on over your black leather vest/wife beater. It'll cost you $10 at Walmart and truly help make you more visible and safer on the road. Adding this one to my facebook Layer Dan / Squid trolling repertoire, next to "People wouldn't hear you coming? Did your bike not come with a horn then?".
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Nov 17, 2011 09:42
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ReelBigLizard posted:Loud pipes: The general public will always be hostile towards riders and will not take them seriously as equal road users because the general public drive cars. If you re-engineered the modern motorcycle to make it respectable and non-offensive to car drivers, it would look like this:  Vera, 56, from Essex posted:I don't like motorcycles but I like this one! To me, worrying about what car drivers think of bikes is the Booker T. Washington approach. You can't conciliate people who have no interest in being conciliated. The car lobby controls transport policy in this country because they have the money and the most taxpayers behind them. They don't (and don't have to) give any fucks about other road users, and when it comes to issues that affect them, they're very effective at dividing and ruling. If "we" were going to adjust our behaviour to influence people, it should be to influence other road users and other interest groups with whom we have common interests (road design and maintenance that isn't centred around cars first, haulage second, also not being mown down by Volvos). I don't think there's anything inherently great about loud pipes or that anyone has shown empirically that they "save lives", but worrying about what car drivers think of them is just cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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Nov 17, 2011 11:45
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slidebite posted:My response to a moron saying LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES is if you're worried about safety, put a bright orange safety vest on over your black leather vest/wife beater. It'll cost you $10 at Walmart and truly help make you more visible and safer on the road. Here's a good reply. I've got full headlights on, reflectors on both sides and back of the bike. If he didn't see me with all those, he's not going to see the half sleeve of reflective poo poo poking out behind my mirrors. The problem is them NOT LOOKING, rather than not seeing. It's harder to not hear something.. Maybe this makes less sense on US roads, but London city driving is far safer with a loud exhaust.
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Nov 17, 2011 11:52
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_Dav posted:Here's a good reply. I've got full headlights on, reflectors on both sides and back of the bike. If he didn't see me with all those, he's not going to see the half sleeve of reflective poo poo poking out behind my mirrors. Most cars have daytime running lights too so it's not gonna make you stand out. Reflectors are a joke. Meanwhile if a rider has a bright vest on it's the first thing I notice, even if he is way on the other side of the highway. Arguing the "loud pipes save lives" bs is like saying school buses, taxis, and student driver cars should be badass black with fart cans instead of yellow.
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Nov 17, 2011 12:07
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ReelBigLizard posted:Adding this one to my facebook Layer Dan / Squid trolling repertoire, next to "People wouldn't hear you coming? Did your bike not come with a horn then?". While I'm doing the usual scan thing (constantly moving eyes/head) if I see anything that is questionable I have my thumb over the horn. I probably hit my horn 3 out of 4 rides. Bit of a pain in the rear end on the Vespa with where the horn is on that.
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Nov 17, 2011 12:28
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_Dav posted:It's harder to not hear something... In a modern sound-insulated car, with a bike coming towards you, you don't even hear loud pipes until they are close, this is bollocks. See also: horn. quote:Maybe this makes less sense on US roads, but London city driving is far safer with a loud exhaust. I commute every day through extremely tight roads, packed with traffic in a place where there is no MOT. I've commuted daily in places such as Kampala and I have never felt that being noisier would have any real effect other than to annoy other people. See also: horn. saga posted:If "we" were going to adjust our behaviour to influence people, it should be to influence other road users and other interest groups with whom we have common interests (road design and maintenance that isn't centred around cars first, haulage second, also not being mown down by Volvos). This is sort of my point though, if motorcyclists are to be taken seriously as part of a group lobbying for these kinds of improvements then 'we' need to consider that riding around with ridiculously loud bikes annoying everyone is going to be detrimental to those efforts. My view is, if your safety strategy revolves around being 'noticed' by other road users, you might not be cut out for riding on the road. There are two kinds of riders I have encountered. Those that blame everyone but themselves; "He pulled out without even looking!" and those who realise that nothing they do is going to guarantee getting noticed and ride accordingly "I should have known he was going to pull straight out, I need to pay more attention".
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Nov 17, 2011 12:33
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_Dav posted:Here's a good reply. I've got full headlights on, reflectors on both sides and back of the bike. If he didn't see me with all those, he's not going to see the half sleeve of reflective poo poo poking out behind my mirrors. 100% Bullshit. Wear a (clean) hi-vis like most London riders. A loud exhaust in this city is more likely to piss off pedestrians and residents in their lovely single-glazed victorian terraces than to get you noticed by a cabbie pulling a u-turn to pick up a fare or someone in full-on zombie commuter mode. It's easy to not hear something with a two double deckers beside you, rattly diesels everywhere, while you're safely ensconced in a vaultlike German saloon listening to some madman ranting about immigrants on LBC or talking on your handsfree. Like ReelBigLizard says, the onus is on you as a rider to avoid a collision, especially if you're filtering in traffic. Would putting an airhorn on your bicycle make it safe to cut up the left side of an HGV or bus? No it wouldn't. Putting a loud pipe on your bike does nothing for your safety. If you want it for sound that's different but don't try claiming its for safety.
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Nov 17, 2011 15:01
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Gnaghi posted:Arguing the "loud pipes save lives" bs is like saying school buses, taxis, and student driver cars should be badass black with fart cans instead of yellow. Give me one good reason would this wouldn't be totally rad  Hearses too, and they've already got the badass black part down. Disclaimer: I have a loud exhaust on my bike. I'm not going to remove it because it sounds loving awesome. KozmoNaut fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Nov 17, 2011 |
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Nov 17, 2011 15:33
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Just got my bike serviced, ugghhh it feels so good. Like it's brand new. 
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Look at what's happening in Ireland and you'll note that I'm not in the minority with my thoughts on cans vs. High Vis. I've only got anecdotes, but I was pulled out infront of far more without an aftermarket can (Z750). And yeah I wore high-vis etc The best practice is ofcourse to ride intelligently, and play the 'I'm never in anybody's blindspot' game. I think there is very few situations where an accident is unavoidable, pretty much everything else is riding observation. I've literally only had one incident in the last 5 years that could really be blamed on the other party, and hell even that was something that I could have possibly avoided.
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Nov 17, 2011 15:42
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_Dav posted:Look at what's happening in Ireland and you'll note that I'm not in the minority with my thoughts on cans vs. High Vis. I've only got anecdotes, but I was pulled out infront of far more without an aftermarket can (Z750). And yeah I wore high-vis etc I'm in ireland, what exactly is happening?
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I don't think anyone could really argue that there's a 0% benefit to loud pipes; there's bound to be some situation somewhere that they'll make a difference. The problem is the cost/benefit ratio. The benefit is still pretty small, next to major factors like properly positioning yourself, high vis, and being aware of your surroundings. The cost, on the other hand, is massive, as it threatens everyone on two wheels by making drivers more aggressive and giving support for legislation against us.
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Nov 17, 2011 17:17
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I think loud pipes work at low speed. At highway or freeway speeds, though, I only hear "loud" bikes when they're already a bit ahead of me. We're both moving away from their sound, which is being projected backwards. Hi-vis works at all speeds. I keep a hi-vis vest in my glovebox and put it on in lovely weather, and I definitely feel I'm noticed more and given more space when wearing it.
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_Dav posted:Here's a good reply. I've got full headlights on, reflectors on both sides and back of the bike. If he didn't see me with all those, he's not going to see the half sleeve of reflective poo poo poking out behind my mirrors. A safety vest is far more visible than just a headlight and a few reflectors. They work at pretty much every angle other than a pure 90deg and even then they do somewhat because a human body isn't paper thin. They don't have to look for you. The color is so noticeable your brain instantly notices it even if you're not looking for it. That's the very purpose of them. Most cops I've even seen wear them when they have someone pulled over on the side of the road.. and they're standing right next to a car with flashing strobes. As a driver and a rider, I have been startled more than once by idiots with loud pipes, and I'm a pretty calm guy. I can only imagine someone who is already nervous and have a loud unexpected BARK of a WHAZZ of a lovely exhaust right next to them. I think they'd be more likely to jerk the wheel or nail the brakes as a panic instinct. And piss everyone off that hears them. Edit: To be clear, I'm not saying all aftermarket exhaust is poo poo and should be banned or anything like that. slidebite fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Nov 17, 2011 |
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Loud pipes let smart cops know that I went all the way thru 3rd on the on ramp. I've ridden both, and most people don't notice either way, in my experience. On the highway that's for sure, people can't hear you till you're right up on them. City streets, less so, but I'd agree with others who've said the benefit is minimal at best. And you really piss off your neighbors and feel like an rear end riding home at 2 am. I used to cut my motor a quarter mile away and try to coast in. But it is fun. nsaP fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Nov 17, 2011 |
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nsaP posted:Loud pipes let smart cops know that I went all the way thru 3rd on the on ramp. I like having an aftermarket exhaust but I agree that it's embarrassing at times. I usually try to lug it a gear up at least through the neighborhood so I don't annoy people so much. I know drat well people hate me at 7am on a cold morning with a carb'd bike starting my bike up 5 times and revving it up.
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Nov 17, 2011 19:01
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JP Money posted:I like having an aftermarket exhaust but I agree that it's embarrassing at times. I usually try to lug it a gear up at least through the neighborhood so I don't annoy people so much. This. I keep my exhaust pointed away from the apartments now, after some complaints.
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Gay Nudist Dad posted:I think loud pipes work at low speed. At highway or freeway speeds, though, I only hear "loud" bikes when they're already a bit ahead of me. We're both moving away from their sound, which is being projected backwards. I got one of these and I feel like a tool wearing it, but have been more often. I like leaving it unvelcro'd when riding the fun roads, it feels like a neon yellow cape. I am ICON man
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Timely: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/story/2011/11/17/calgary-noisesnare-approved.html I googled noise snare and found this: http://www.snrsystems.com/ Play the video and go to 50sec
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Nov 17, 2011 20:57
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slidebite posted:
As much as I argue against loud pipes, I know I'm not the only one who went "come on bike...come on bike! you can do it...! YEEEAHH!"
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Nov 17, 2011 21:05
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I love the kick off the limiter at the end. SHOW THEM BUDDY! 
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Nov 17, 2011 22:11
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If that biker had stayed up on the wheelie his plate wouldn't have been readable to the camera
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Nov 17, 2011 22:33
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Z3n posted:I love the kick off the limiter at the end. SHOW THEM BUDDY! I appreciated the wheelie to start it off. echomadman posted:If that biker had stayed up on the wheelie his plate wouldn't have been readable to the camera Gonna start using this method to avoid paying bridge tolls.
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Nov 17, 2011 22:34
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echomadman posted:If that biker had stayed up on the wheelie his plate wouldn't have been readable to the camera Other than ending up in the back of the suburban, I think that would have been a fantastic idea.
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Nov 17, 2011 22:53
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slidebite posted:My response to a moron saying LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES is if you're worried about safety, put a bright orange safety vest on over your black leather vest/wife beater. It'll cost you $10 at Walmart and truly help make you more visible and safer on the road. Since safety is cumulative, how bout a hi-viz vest AND loud pipes?
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Nov 17, 2011 23:37
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echomadman posted:I'm in ireland, what exactly is happening? http://www.magireland.org/2011/campaigns/hiviz/drivers-eye-view/ MAG is kinda poo poo in fairness, but atleast they're somewhat relevant politically.
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When everyone starts wearing hi-vis clothes, then they become 'normal' and cagers start to get used to them and forget them.
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Yeah, that's going to be a pressing issue
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Odette posted:When everyone starts wearing hi-vis clothes, then they become 'normal' and cagers start to get used to them and forget them. I run over construction and road workers all the time. They come out of nowhere!
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All of the accidents* that I've been involved in that weren't my fault, the people that hit me did not even see me. "Sorry man, I didn't see you." *1
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Odette posted:All of the accidents* that I've been involved in that weren't my fault, the people that hit me did not even see me. Me too 
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If people don't notice emergency vehicles with full lights and sirens (which I've seen happen way too often) they won't see your vest or hear your stupid pipes
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echomadman posted:If that biker had stayed up on the wheelie his plate wouldn't have been readable to the camera I always think of this every time I see a red light camera.
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I hate that there would be more enforcement to focus on bikes and hand out expensive tickets but I kinda wish they would do that around here. There are three or four assholes on some kind of V twin bikes that, like clockwork, around 3 am ride around the neighborhood setting off car alarms with their exhausts. I would have no greater pleasure in life then to see them getting pulled over and their bikes impounded. I'm not the type to start trouble but if I knew where they parked I would, like, leave a note or something. That being said I had a full, loud as hell system on my bike for a little while and I noticed a hell of a lot more people got out of my way when I was filtering. Still not worth annoying my neighbors or the cumulative hearing loss from short trips without earplugs but it was quite a difference.
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clutchpuck posted:Since safety is cumulative, how bout a hi-viz vest AND loud pipes? Guys guys guys, I have the perfect idea, hear me out! How about... HI-VIZ PIPES?! I'm still working on making vests louder. I'm going to make millions. Millions!
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