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I always knew that Doc Scratch had evil intentions, but he never actually came off as evil to me until when he told Slick to shoot Snowman. That's when I figured out just how much was under his control, and the whole Scratch intermission seemed a lot more sinister from then. He really seemed like a villain from that point on.
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DupaDupa posted:What exactly did he do again? It might be his bard of rage powers or by virtue of his being a descendant of a subjugulator. Edit: in hindsight I might be completely wrong Ominous Jazz fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Nov 21, 2011 |
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If you think shotgun speculation is the only method, then you're reading a different story than the one I'm reading, because the one I'm reading makes sense. Shotgun speculation is only necessary when the outcomes of the story are completely unpredictable, which is not the case here.
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Nov 21, 2011 08:13
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Two of Doc Scratch's first in-comic acts were helping Vriska to cripple Tavros, and persuading her to kill Aradia. I dunno, those sent a pretty strong signal to me that he was evil.
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Nov 21, 2011 08:50
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Paul.Power posted:Two of Doc Scratch's first in-comic acts were helping Vriska to cripple Tavros, and persuading her to kill Aradia. I dunno, those sent a pretty strong signal to me that he was evil.
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Nov 21, 2011 08:55
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Seoinin posted:Not even just helping her, but mocking her when she shows reluctance. He has always been fat nasty trash. I suppose the key is that he always tried to present himself as a necessary evil: Aradia dying leading to her frog prototyping and gaining a whole bunch of knowledge about the workings of the game, for instance. Evil, but apparently necessary. But was it necessary? The Trolls could well have won without that. Would have taken longer, but that would have been a good thing - Kanaya would have had more time to perfect the genesis frog. And a flawed frog was probably Scratch and English's goal all along. Which fits the conception of English as a kind of parasite on Skaia and paradox space. There are flatworms that parasitise snails* and give them thicker shells - which, on the surface of it, sounds like helping the snail out. But in doing so, it diverts resources away from reproduction - so ultimately it's only the flatworm that's helped out by the thicker shell. English and co's game seems to be similar: cause universes to be flawed, then "help" them overcome those flaws by coming in post-Scratch and making the player species tougher. But in doing so he makes the society nastier, propagates the flaws and gives himself universes to eat. Given all that, I don't think UU's working for English. She has plenty of ulterior motives to be sure, but I think she's more likely to be working for Skaia itself, in its attempts to get rid of its parasite. * Dawkins, R. The Selfish Gene 1989 edition.
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Paul.Power posted:I suppose the key is that he always tried to present himself as a necessary evil I dunno, maybe I'm dumb, but I guess I kinda always just went along with Scratch. I mean we always knew he succeeded, so I just saw him as an inevitability. I was more interested in seeing how he succeeded. I guess he was evil, he did bad things towards a bad purpose, but I couldn't see him as a villain because he already won. He was more a force of nature, just sort of in the story to get things done. I guess I found him more interesting than despicable. Like Jack Noir I hated, going around killing characters I liked, or Eridan for the same reason, but Doc Scratch was just sort of... there. I mean none of this would have happened if he wasn't there, but then again we wouldn't have a story if he wasn't. So like I said, inevitability. Whether he was good or evil was pretty much academic to me.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with suspecting that UU is evil; she is suspicious. She knows a lot about things and we know too little about her. Also, about her name, let me put my  on here for a second because there's someone else whose name we don't know.
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YF-23 posted:Also, about her name, let me put my Well, hey, that's a neat observation. -- UU is exciting because she is opening up a new line of intrigue, i.e. who is she and, given what we know in general and what little we know of her, what will her impact be? I'm leaning towards the more positive interpretations, myself, but I couldn't really say why. That's because we don't have a heck of a lot of information yet, so I'm not kill myself spinning out the perfect theory when we actually know vanishingly little. Right now, UU is a fairly open-ended mystery. A lot of folks seem to be drawing out huge "What if X, that would mean blah blah incredible detail." But a little information could nullify X, making blah blah so much wasted effort. We're clearly starting a new story arc here, and things are just ramping up. We're getting a lot of background information. There's no need to get your theories out SUPER FAST AND SUPER DETAILED just in case the next update will prove you right, because chances are that won't happen until this story arc begins reaching its climax. So, y'know, chillax, don't annoy the mods, etc.
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YF-23 posted:I don't think there's anything wrong with suspecting that UU is evil; she is suspicious. She knows a lot about things and we know too little about her. She's extremely knowledgeable and (seemingly) powerful, and she seems to be doing all she can to help out the new kids. That seems like an odd thing to do at this point- to introduce a new powerful character to help the good guys. The story calls for more antagonists, if anything, after the old kids all powered up so much (and we've got four more protagonists with just as much potential as well). It's certainly possible that UU is as friendly and helpful as she appears, but if that turns out to be the case, I'd count it as a twist. She's so exceedingly friendly and so unknown at the same time that it's perfectly natural to be really suspicious of her. Just take her stated goal- to summon up some gods. It's quite likely that doesn't refer to Lord English... but it sure as heck is supposed to remind us of Lord English. It's definitely intended to raise a big old red flag and question UU's allegiance. And again, she could be what she appears to be, but it's perfectly reasonable to doubt that when it's set up, possibly as a red herring, to be suspicious and doubtful.
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Nov 21, 2011 10:47
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YF-23 posted:I don't think there's anything wrong with suspecting that UU is evil; she is suspicious. She knows a lot about things and we know too little about her.
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You can argue that we need more antagonists, true, but on the other hand there's one big obvious hole in the story that so far nobody (other than UU potentially. Well ok, Aradia too) is filling, and that probably needs to be filled for a non-nihilistic conclusion to the story: someone to organise the heroes, provide a goal for them to aim for and hopefully - once causal spoilers are no longer an issue - explain what the hell is going on (well duh universes being created but why? And why in this way?). Skaia itself can't speak, so it needs someone to speak for it. UU could be an antagonist, but for me that would be pretty disappointing because then we'd still have all this metaphysical overhead hanging around being a loving pain in the rear end. Paul.Power fucked around with this message at 11:40 on Nov 21, 2011 |
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I don't trust UU simply because her into was the exact opposite of Karkat's intro. Karkat owns, therefore the thing that is his exact opposite does not own.  Anyway a super-nice helper with near omniscience isn't what the story needs at this point, now that we've got God-Tiers galore. If Hussie was playing it straight with UU he'd have to severely limit her abilities to keep her from becoming god-mode boring. Paul.Power posted:someone to organise the heroes, provide a goal for them to aim for We already have a heroic Friendleader who commands his troops through friendly requests.
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Ammat The Ankh posted:Anyway a super-nice helper with near omniscience isn't what the story needs at this point, now that we've got God-Tiers galore. If Hussie was playing it straight with UU he'd have to severely limit her abilities to keep her from becoming god-mode boring. What abilities? What omniscience? We know next to nothing about UU. She knows a lot, sure, but that's not conclusive proof of (a First Guardian's) omniscience. At least not until we know more about her. This is sounding a lot like when we were getting the first fragments of information about Jade.
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Seoinin posted:Not even just helping her, but mocking her when she shows reluctance. He has always been fat nasty trash. Has someone got a link to this? I can't remember actually reading anything from him around the time we see Tavros getting hobbled.
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I started playing an associative word game in my head and became annoyed. Lord English, could Jake's title be Lord of English? What the hell is English? Put some English on it? Like spin? Lord of Spin? Lord of Deception? Doc Scratch doctors scratches? To be clear, I don't think Jake is English or anything but is Lord a valid role name? Jake the Lord of _____. Hussie stop brain Jacking, I mean hacking. ...poo poo!
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Ammat The Ankh posted:We already have a heroic Friendleader who commands his troops through friendly requests. quote:Has someone got a link to this? I can't remember actually reading anything from him around the time we see Tavros getting hobbled. e: and here's Bro. Paul.Power fucked around with this message at 11:53 on Nov 21, 2011 |
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Holy poo poo! Brolog! I need to calm down from the excitement before I read this. e: quote:Can't wait til you read the end of the first page. ActionZero fucked around with this message at 11:58 on Nov 21, 2011 |
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ActionZero posted:Holy poo poo! Brolog! I need to calm down from the excitement before I read this. Can't wait til you read the end of the first page.
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Oh. My. GOD. Hahahaha, Hussie you have outdone yourself by far. As soon as I reached the bottom of the first page I literally just said "Oh my GOD" and just stopped to take it in for a while.
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That wasn't quite as loving awesome as I wanted, and it's beaten quite soundly by Mom, but we are really building up to a downright fascinating character. ...Oh gently caress it's Equius to a T.
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Bro's interested in Jake's apparently choice rear end. This is almost as good as Dave describing Mom's choice rear end to Rose. I've never said choice rear end three times in the same breath before.
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It's like one of those AOL bots, on cocaine.
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GT: This is pointless im not having this conversation unless its with my REAL LIFE FRIEND. THE ONE WITH HUMAN FEELINGS WHO ISNT A PRETEND PERSON INSIDE SUNGLASSES. TT: Ok, but I'm pretty sure he's going to share my position on the matter. 
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Nilbop posted:Bro's interested in Jake's apparently choice rear end. http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/?cid=018.jpg when did dave describe mom's choice rear end to rose also all he said about rear end was half-rear end when did bro express interest in rear end
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Also, note how the number the auto-responder gives regarding the auto-responder's authenticity compared to Bro's when Jake is asking about the it actually goes down when he repeats the question. Going ahead and guessing it's not a random number, but actually something it generated based on Jake blowing its cover a bit, and thus throwing off its long-term projections.
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Not to mention when it's supposedly repeating itself, it changes words around. My God, Bro is Equius with Sollux's computer wizardry :o
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Yeah, Bro looks like he's shaping up to be loving awesome. The whole robot angle seems a bit out of left field, if you look at him as being a mixture of Dave's and Rose's traits. Where would that have come from. Although I suppose robots could be seen as the ultimate puppets... E: OH GOD. ROBOCAL 
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Tollymain posted:Yeah, Bro looks like he's shaping up to be loving awesome. The whole robot angle seems a bit out of left field, if you look at him as being a mixture of Dave's and Rose's traits. Where would that have come from. Although I suppose robots could be seen as the ultimate puppets...
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This is my new favorite Act 6 log, even more than drunk Mom and Jane.
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People sometimes ask me why I dislike AI so much; I think this pesterlog pretty much sums it up. Really hoping Bro programmed it to be significantly more of an ironic robotic rear end in a top hat than he is for giggles, because otherwise I'm likely to find all of these logs insufferable, if still somewhat amusing. On that note, it's nice to see that accusations of homoerotic come-ons run in the family.
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Glorious. I love how people in this thread kept getting eager for Kidbro's chat log soon, and other people kept pointing out that we were "only" going to get his autoresponder... "Only" In retrospect, the least appropriate sentiment imaginable. Timaeus is an... interesting allusion... if only because it immediately remember the fact that someone associated Kidmom's handle with Gnosticism, and both Timaeus and Gnosticism make me think of the idea of a demiurge, which, conceptually, has a lot to do with Homestuck in general. Put simply, a demiurge is the divine designer of the universe, but not the creator- the various Platonists thought this guy was pretty swell, and the Gnostics thought he was basically evil. It's an interesting idea, as that's pretty much what the players are in Homestuck for the universes they beget. Though Timaeus outlines pretty much all of Plato's insane religion of "reason" and his take on the nature of the universe, so who knows what specifically, if anything, its significance is in Kidbro's chat handle is. Eiba fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Nov 21, 2011 |
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Hahaha, Bro's shirt symbol is a hat. He's so drat committed to irony.
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Bro is my new favourite player, it's like I'm reading Hussie's forumspring.
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Computerized glasses are apparently entirely within the realm of stock standard human technology in 2011. It seems the way to prepare humanity to deal with an oncoming apocalypse is, as always, to give them the best toys. Neat!
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Bro doesn't really sound like he's anyone's friend, but it's nice to see some actual antagonism in an inter-kid relationship after the lovefest that was the original four and the hatefest that was the trolls. I did think it was interesting that he basically really was a little Bro though - his opening statements were basically a taunting test to see if Jake would go back on his sincere statement, he brusquely (good word) called out Jake's uranium needs, then explained to him that if it was a matter of pride there was some challenge he could do for more uranium. Then the auto-responder that is nothing but pure testing of the person responding. These kids feel a little more complex than our original heroes, although I guess that might just be because they're new and their various mysteries have yet to be unravelled. Does Bro look up to reset-Dave? What do Lalonde and Crocker think of Bro? Just what the heck is going on with these weird kids and what's to become of them? A lot to think about.
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So Bro makes robotic puppets now, That could end up being real frightening
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