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Mickolution posted:1. Not a goal. In a shootout, once the ball starts to move away from the goal, the kick is over. Isn't the rule that the player can't kick it in off the rebound? It's the same as if someone hits the post and it goes in off the keepers head who dives for it, right?
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euroboy posted:Isn't the rule that the player can't kick it in off the rebound? It's the same as if someone hits the post and it goes in off the keepers head who dives for it, right? Well there are no rebounds from a shootout, anyway. I think there's a rule about the direction the ball is travelling in. I guess we'll know on Monday.
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Nov 18, 2011 12:24
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Mickolution posted:Well there are no rebounds from a shootout, anyway. I think there's a rule about the direction the ball is travelling in. I guess we'll know on Monday. I'm pretty sure that it'd count, the weird backspin penalty that got posted in the video thread counted as a goal didn't it?
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Nov 18, 2011 12:27
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I think it did, but I'm not sure it should have.
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Nov 18, 2011 12:30
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Mickolution posted:I think it did, but I'm not sure it should have. That might as well be the title of this thread, there's so many laws that get waived for reasons of laziness/ ref self preservation that it's impossible to answer a difficult question with any accuracy.
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Nov 18, 2011 12:34
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Mickolution posted:1. Not a goal. In a shootout, once the ball starts to move away from the goal, the kick is over. I thought the ball going forward rule existed, but recently we've had two examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6-4vyrtWd8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDoQXXBzXzI Both counted. I emailed FIFA for a clarification and I got a bullshit response saying: quote:Dear JingleBells,
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Nov 18, 2011 12:36
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1. It's a goal. Penalty kick is over when the referee deems it to be. No idea where that 'Ball moving away from goal' rubbish has come from. Read the Laws! 2. That's what goalkeepers do. Since when is a goalkeeper diving on the ball as someone is about to kick it Playing in a Dangerous Manner? IDFK would be insane. 3. If it's deliberate to try and act as a distraction, then it's an IDFK and a caution. However, nothing in the question makes it look deliberate, so give the goal!
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Nov 18, 2011 12:38
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Mewcenary posted:1. It's a goal. Penalty kick is over when the referee deems it to be. No idea where that 'Ball moving away from goal' rubbish has come from. Read the Laws! The closest I can get is: quote:A kick is successful if, having been touched once by the kicker, it crosses the goal line without going out of play or touching any player other than the defending goalkeeper. The ball may touch the goalkeeper, posts, or crossbar any number of times before going into the net.
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Nov 18, 2011 12:39
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That is correct as per Law. The other very relevant quote: quote:The referee decides when the penalty kick has been completed. Law 14. (Recently got promoted in 'referee world' so tend to have an interest in this stuff!)
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Nov 18, 2011 12:45
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Mickolution posted:1. Not a goal. In a shootout, once the ball starts to move away from the goal, the kick is over. gently caress, didn't think about that at all.
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Nov 18, 2011 14:58
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1) A KFTPM is still live until the ball has been stopped, crossed the goal line, or has moved a 'reasonable distance' from the goal. Goal. 2) The keeper's head ends up inches from a striker's boot about 347896 times a game. Play on. 3) You can probably make the argument that this was intentional, and then file it under unsporting behavior. Caution, IDFK on the goal area.
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Nov 18, 2011 18:47
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SteadfastMeat posted:It's Friday! 1) No goal. 2) This is unsporting play as the striker cannot contest the ball without putting the keeper in danger, so award the indirect free kick and book the keeper. 3) What the gently caress? Is goal.
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Nov 18, 2011 19:53
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1. Goal, a penalty kick ends when the ref says it does, not when the ball hits the crossbar. 2. We can't let the keeper get away with this, it's reckless. The keeper's going to get kicked in the head doing that. Indirect free kick, caution the keeper for being unsporting/reckless/a oval office. 3. Not the striker's fault the keeper is a moron. Goal. Hackett will say it's unsporting behaviour and IDFK I'm sure though. Luigi Thirty fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Nov 19, 2011 |
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Nov 19, 2011 09:18
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1)Goal 2)Keeper has the ball so it's a goal kick 3)Goal
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Nov 20, 2011 04:11
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Giovanni_Sinclair posted:2)Keeper has the ball so it's a goal kick I see
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Nov 20, 2011 10:32
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1) goal 2) retake but turn your back so you don't see the attacker smash the keepers head in with his boot 3) goal
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Nov 20, 2011 10:37
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Psybro posted:2) This is unsporting play as the striker cannot contest the ball without putting the keeper in danger, so award the indirect free kick and book the keeper. Of course he can, he just kicks it. Attempting a diving header in the box isn't unsporting play either so why should this be?
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Nov 20, 2011 14:49
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Scikar posted:Of course he can, he just kicks it. Attempting a diving header in the box isn't unsporting play either so why should this be? Since the ball is dead, this is more akin to encroaching on a set piece. There's nothing to say the goalkeeper has to be the player contesting the drop ball, and it gives an advantage to the defending side (he can use his hands) which the attacking side doesn't have.
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Nov 20, 2011 17:19
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Keith Hackett's verdict 1) It's a goal. The same law applies in a shoot-out as for a penalty in extended time: "A goal is awarded if, before passing between the goalposts and under the crossbar the ball touches either or both of the goalposts and/or the crossbar and/or the goalkeeper." You decide when the kick has been completed, but you must allow the ball to finish its course. If it's any consolation to the keeper, he can expect many millions of hits on YouTube... Thanks to Duncan Childs. 2) Award the free-kick – but not because the keeper handled the ball. Once the ball hits the ground it is in play – so it's fine for the keeper to gain possession with his hands. However, that only applies when the dropped ball is uncontested, as they often are inside the area. In this situation, the keeper is guilty of dangerous play because his action caused danger to himself, so award an indirect free-kick against the defending side. Duncan Turton wins the shirt. 3) Award the goal. You'd have to be very certain that a deliberate unsporting act had been committed to disallow it. Calm the players down, make the striker aware that you understand what has been alleged, and include it all in your report. Thanks to Patrick Somerfield. 2) makes no sense to me.
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Nov 21, 2011 10:08
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"guilty of dangerous play because his action caused danger to himself" That sounds like absolute bollocks.
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Nov 21, 2011 16:37
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Scientastic posted:"guilty of dangerous play because his action caused danger to himself" Surely it is absolute bollocks; it's not any different to a keeper going down for a ball with a striker bearing down on him.
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Nov 21, 2011 16:45
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A drop ball (when not uncontested by the attacking side) is supposed to be a 50/50 chance thing, surely if a keeper is putting his face in the way he's making it so the attacking player can't contest for the ball without risking injury to the keeper.
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Nov 21, 2011 16:48
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pik_d posted:A drop ball (when not uncontested by the attacking side) is supposed to be a 50/50 chance thing, surely if a keeper is putting his face in the way he's making it so the attacking player can't contest for the ball without risking injury to the keeper. Yeah, this. The keeper is preventing the other player from being able to kick the ball within the Laws, and the point of the contested drop ball is that either team has a shot at winning it.
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Nov 21, 2011 20:11
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Mewcenary posted:Law 14. Good lad. Are you going for 6-5 straight away?
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Nov 22, 2011 03:37
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Trin Tragula posted:Good lad. Are you going for 6-5 straight away?
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Nov 22, 2011 04:31
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s0meb0dy0 posted:For everyone else, what does this mean? I'm curious how the referees I see get to that level. My certification expired a few years ago, so excuse me if I'm a little off, but this should be fairly accurate. Also, I don't know exactly how they separate it over in euroland, but I'd imagine its similar, but you start as a grade 8. 8 is pretty much entry level (doing town league games and such), 7 is local level with some experience, which you can upgrade to after a year or two. 5 and 6 are "state" level, where you'd end up probably doing state and regional contests and tournaments, city travel team games and the like. 3 and 4 are "national" where you'd be able to do MLS and other pro or semi-pro (5 may even do semi pro, I'm not sure). 2 is a FIFA linesman, 1 is a FIFA ref.
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Nov 22, 2011 20:44
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Trin Tragula posted:Good lad. Are you going for 6-5 straight away? I am indeed. I'm on the enhanced promotion scheme this year, which allows me to jump two promotion levels in one season. It also means doing twice as much work in order to do that! So level 5 in March if all goes well. For the non-referee types: The lower the better for the level. When I get level 4 I can start refereeing supply league fixtures here in the UK.
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Nov 22, 2011 23:50
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So, putting that together, MLS refs wouldn't even be allowed to ref League games in the UK, assuming the levels are comparable? I knew they sucked. e: And yes, I know that a lot of the usual suspects are FIFA refs too, but still.
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UnmaskedGremlin posted:My certification expired a few years ago, so excuse me if I'm a little off, but this should be fairly accurate. Also, I don't know exactly how they separate it over in euroland, but I'd imagine its similar, but you start as a grade 8. 8 is pretty much entry level (doing town league games and such), 7 is local level with some experience, which you can upgrade to after a year or two. 5 and 6 are "state" level, where you'd end up probably doing state and regional contests and tournaments, city travel team games and the like. 3 and 4 are "national" where you'd be able to do MLS and other pro or semi-pro (5 may even do semi pro, I'm not sure). 2 is a FIFA linesman, 1 is a FIFA ref. I found a page that explains it over in Engerland. You start at 7 (refs under 16 start at 8) and have to reach 1 to do League football at all. 4 is the big stumbling block where you have to pass a big old fitness test and all that. You don't get to do semi-pro football until 4. Anyone who's kicked off the ref list anywhere between 1 and 4 automatically goes back to 5. Luigi Thirty fucked around with this message at 09:02 on Nov 23, 2011 |
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Nov 23, 2011 08:59
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Luigi Thirty posted:I found a page that explains it over in Engerland. You start at 7 (refs under 16 start at 8) and have to reach 1 to do League football at all. 4 is the big stumbling block where you have to pass a big old fitness test and all that. You don't get to do semi-pro football until 4. Anyone who's kicked off the ref list anywhere between 1 and 4 automatically goes back to 5. It looks really as if they start a bit higher, and can progress higher more quickly, just as numbering goes. I'd say a large, large percentage of US refs are 5 or lower, whereas in England I'd imagine the lowest you'd want to be is 4 or 5.
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Nov 23, 2011 22:01
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Mewcenary posted:I am indeed. I'm on the enhanced promotion scheme this year, which allows me to jump two promotion levels in one season. It also means doing twice as much work in order to do that! Excellent! Which supply league are you lining on, and which contributory league would you line on if you get your 4?
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Nov 25, 2011 00:07
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Frrrriday! 1: Yes. Also report to the league. 2: Yes. Don't think the LOAF covers the eventuality. 3: Check with assistants. If no one saw it the goal stands.
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Nov 25, 2011 11:22
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Here's our Billy the Badger getting sent off against Villa for breakdancing on the pitch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdfztm1Mx74
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Nov 25, 2011 11:34
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1: Sure can. If you can't do that, then call the game off with a away win by default because the home team failed to keep it's idiots under control. Likelihood of a ref ever actually doing this: 0% 2: Sure why not. 3: Nobody saw it, so the goal stands. If you're going for MAXIMUM oval office, book both of them for diving.
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Nov 25, 2011 12:31
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1. Yep, bin him. 2. Great goal. 3. Goal stands, unless a neutral Assistant Referee saw an offence, in which case you can bring play back as required.
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Nov 25, 2011 12:38
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Trin Tragula posted:Excellent! Which supply league are you lining on, and which contributory league would you line on if you get your 4? Combined Counties is 'my' supply league. I am not lining on it this year due to having to concentrate on as many middles as possible. However, I'm getting plenty of lines in the mid-week U18 youth league (typically supply league academy sides) and in appropriate county cup appointments. I'm now a registered referee on the supply league's Div 1 and Reserves divisions. These aren't 'actual' supply league games but obviously feature the same setup, neutral assistants and so on. I've been granted permission to do those as development games, which is great ! As a 4, I'd imagine I'd be lining on the likes of the Southern League...
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Nov 25, 2011 12:42
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1. Tell your 4th official to get rid off him. Or for hilarity purposes go over and red-card him. 2. Sure, why not? 3. Unless someone saw something that interfered with play, no reason to disallow it.
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Nov 25, 2011 13:39
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Could be something about smaller pitches in the law that stops the keepers "shooting" in any way, maybe.
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Nov 25, 2011 15:58
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Hoops posted:Could be something about smaller pitches in the law that stops the keepers "shooting" in any way, maybe. No such Law exists. Either the field of play is legal in terms of its dimensions, or it is not.
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I'm sure I've seen it before, something along the lines of you can't score a goal with a throw, whether it's a throw-in or from the goalkeeper.
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