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According to Wikipedia, Timaeus is also "one of the Three Legendary Dragons from the Japanese anime series Yu-Gi-Oh!".
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Android Blues posted:That's kind of academic though, because honestly saying homosexuality is overtly sexual but giving straight romance a pass is just duuuuuuumb and super wrong and I think that needs to be driven home. You put this much better than I could have. I hope this doesn't start a derail. That's all there is to say on the matter. Homestuck hasn't been even remotely PG-13 since Dave was introduced anyways.
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Nov 21, 2011 20:09
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I'm... actually gay, so, I don't mean to come across as homophobic or anything? I guess I'm just thinking more about the fandom and ~all the yaois~ and how it seems to always get way more sexual when it's two guys involved. I don't mean in the comic, it'd be the same regardless, I mean it would make the fandom (even more) unbearable. I'd actually like to see a gay character, and the whole Gamzee/Tavros thing was a nice surprise, but I guess I'm just not used to it yet as a casual inclusion in media and it makes a more obvious and highlighted (I guess the proper term is "marked") sexual display than standard heteronormative relationships. I guess I don't want to see my fictional 13/15 year old webcomic characters as sexual beings and if he was gay it would be more obvious than your standard, unmarked, heteronormative generic fictional romance. Oh God does this mean I've internalized homophobia edit: but yeah I don't want to derail it was a stupid comment and I didn't mean anything by it sorry edit edit: VVVVV Actually that would be pretty awesome and I'm all for that, too Starmaker fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Nov 21, 2011 |
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Nov 21, 2011 20:09
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I approve of the idea that Bro is gay for Jake, because it would mean that all of Jake's friends are crushing on him.
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Nov 21, 2011 20:18
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Supercar Gautier posted:I approve of the idea that Bro is gay for Jake, because it would mean that all of Jake's friends are crushing on him. Yeah this is what I like about it. It's totally the siren call of the Tomb Raider booty holster.
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Nov 21, 2011 20:19
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Plom Bar posted:Dave was all about overt innuendo. Reread the first few acts. HUMAN innuendo.  I dunno if I'm just being heteronormative here but I didn't see anything resembling a come-on in that conversation anyway. Basically the line translates to "the only way I could perceive the preceding monologue as not awkward is if you are about to hit on me" which doesn't seem to necessarily suggest anything about anyone's orientation or latent desires. It's more of an  regarding Jake's ineloquence.Supercar Gautier posted:I approve of the idea that Bro is gay for Jake, because it would mean that all of Jake's friends are crushing on him. Hasn't the comic had like two parody Mary Sue characters already?
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Nov 21, 2011 20:21
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Starmaker posted:I guess I'm just thinking more about the fandom and ~all the yaois~ and how it seems to always get way more sexual when it's two guys involved. I don't mean in the comic, it'd be the same regardless, I mean it would make the fandom (even more) unbearable. Certain sections of the fandom are going to be creepy no matter what. Hussie always manages to walk that fine line between creepy and hilarious like with Dave's chatlog with Tavros and Equius. Bro may or may not be a weeaboo, brony, homosexual, or puppet pornographer, he might be none/all of those. It'll be funny and the creepy fans are gonna creep regardless, though. Based off this one chatlog with his autoresponder, I can tell I'm gonna like him regardless of whatever interests he has. Also, Kanaya was a gay character. Hussie had a post on his formspring about how she wouldn't be called that in troll culture because that's not a thing that has a word in troll culture, but as humans looking through our human earth culture lens we see her that way.
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Nov 21, 2011 20:23
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loquacius posted:Hasn't the comic had like two parody Mary Sue characters already? He gets it from his grandma/granddaughter, okay?
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Nov 21, 2011 20:24
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Starmaker posted:Oh God does this mean I've internalized homophobia Yes. But don't worry, recognizing it is the first step to getting rid of it. 
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Nov 21, 2011 20:31
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Have any of you ever been in a fraternity, a military, or just been friends with someone who acts and talks like Dave in real life? Not a day goes by that I don't hear gay innuendo, even from homophobic infantry NCOs from the dirty south with NOBAMA stickers on their red Ford F150. Has nothing to do with their sexuality. Hussie knows how real people talk, and that has been one of the greatest strengths of Homestuck's dialogue.
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Nov 21, 2011 20:36
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I think KidBro is in the shower. Why else would all that stuff be in the bathroom?
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Nov 21, 2011 20:43
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Plom Bar posted:Yes. But don't worry, recognizing it is the first step to getting rid of it. Yeah, feeling like heterosexuality is the innocuous default while homosexuality is more sexual and adult sounds like some flavour of internalised homophobia to me. Not to step on your toes or anything but that's what it seems like! Especially since you get a lot of people turning out that exact argument in favour of not having gay characters in kids'/young adult media, with the subtext that homosexuality is essentially an adult sexual practise and you shouldn't inform anyone about it that you wouldn't about, say, penetrative sex.
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Nov 21, 2011 20:50
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Plom Bar posted:Yes. But don't worry, recognizing it is the first step to getting rid of it. Oh don't get me started; I typed up a big thing about Kanaya and how she's not actually gay because it's alien sexuality so it can be played with without making any statements about the real world. And how if you twiddle with a human character's sexuality then suddenly they are that sexuality and that sexuality is them and BLUH I'm not actually that self-hating or hypocritical, I just don't relish the reactions and responses that would be prompted by a side-detail for a fictional character that happens to be a very real aspect of my own life! People loving/hating a character based on nothing more than their sexuality. It is dumb and I don't think the comic needs it and I hope that it won't deal with it because that's way more baggage than it needs. It's one thing to poke fun at furries or roleplayers or... whatever Equius is, but another thing entirely to talk about THE GAYS. So yeah, guess I typed up a bunch anyways. Sorry, I'm really tired and I made a stupid off-hand comment and now cascade of misfortune. I'mma go to bed now, maybe I'll be less dumb in the morning (not likely). e: Android Blues posted:Yeah, feeling like heterosexuality is the innocuous default while homosexuality is more sexual and adult sounds like some flavour of internalised homophobia to me. Not to step on your toes or anything but that's what it seems like! Well as long as you said no offense first! But seriously, I don't see it as the innocuous norm - that's how society at large sees it. It is deeply ingrained in our culture: a love story in an adventure is taken for granted and feels like as integral a part to a story as the protagonist and antagonist. But make that love interest the same sex and suddenly you're making a STATEMENT. Even if you don't want to make one, people will still read it that way, and be oversensitive or intolerant or whatever - they will analyse it. How did they treat their gay character? What are they trying to say about gay people's place in our society? How does this story portray THE GAY. I honestly don't care how it's portrayed because homosexuality is as bland as toast to me, and the character would be exactly the same regardless. But to everyone else - well holy gently caress he's doing something RISKY. I just don't want to deal with it. Please can't I have one story that doesn't deal with the CONTROVERSY - where I can just forget that it is a thing that people care about or even notice. That would be nice. Right, bed. Starmaker fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Nov 21, 2011 |
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Nov 21, 2011 20:55
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=R1gdLPwvwJk Everyone did, Jane. Everyone. jesus gently caress that vid is loving terrifying
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Nov 21, 2011 21:02
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loquacius posted:Hasn't the comic had like two parody Mary Sue characters already? He's got this whole pulp adventurer schtick, it comes with the territory.
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Nov 21, 2011 21:06
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As one of those people reminding everyone we were "only" going to get Bro's auto-responder, my expectations for this pesterlog were tempered so the reveal didn't shock me. Still, assuming this is indicative of Kid!Bro's personality (and there's no reason to think otherwise, considering Jake was fooled) I want to see how the real guy would act when talking with his friends. I did feel a lot of this conversation was cold and mechanical, but for all we know D. Strider is actually a cold and mechanical guy. Still think Mom Lalonde's pesterlog was the best, though. I sure hope the auto-responder gets prototyped at some point.
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Nov 21, 2011 21:09
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Starmaker posted:Don't put too much stock into what I say, I'm one of those weirdos who thinks it'd be kind of cool if Dave were a trans man. Not to the point of loudly declaring that my headcanon is truth and if you disagree I JUDGE YOU but I think it'd be neat. I think it's the hair. Something about Dave's hair just screams "trans man" at me. Plom Bar fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Apr 26, 2018 |
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Nov 21, 2011 21:14
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Not to divert us from serious issues, but as we were all recently made aware of the Pony Pals series, I couldn't resist researching the franchise further. It turns out all of them have hilarious titles and cover art, so I made something completely nonsensical approximating MSPA fanwork: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QjIwN95qoo
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Nov 21, 2011 21:29
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creationist believer posted:Am I crazy, or is there an implication that Bro is gay? It's hard to decipher what level of irony the "for me to rush to your vicinity as nakedly as possible" line was, but Kidmom did say Jane was naive for thinking she and Strider were perfect for each other. Bro you're as elusive as Robert Denby
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Nov 21, 2011 21:33
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Plom Bar posted:Dave was all about overt innuendo. Reread the first few acts. Shoveling huge amounts of coal into my gaping matronly furnace indeed.
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Nov 21, 2011 21:47
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The fact that Dave posts ironic homo statements all the time would make an actually-gay kidBro kind of fitting in this universe.
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Nov 21, 2011 21:58
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Okay, I gotta admit, that kitten!Nepeta PW ad for Sister Claire that's on the front page right now is pretty goddamn cute. (not a bad comic, either.)
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Nov 21, 2011 22:05
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I just came here to say.... I loving love the auto-responder. I almost don't want anybody to actually be able to talk to Bro at all, they just keep getting the auto-responder. *bookmarks thread again*
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Nov 21, 2011 22:06
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Pakled posted:This IS a universe where it's apparently fairly normal for teenagers to know how to make robots (at least that's the impression I got from "im not the best or even second best robosmith i know!"). I'm gonna just go ahead and assume that And It Don't Stop is set on a pre-Reckoning Earth.
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Nov 21, 2011 22:27
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H.P. Shivcraft posted:Not to divert us from serious issues, but as we were all recently made aware of the Pony Pals series, I couldn't resist researching the franchise further. He's My Pony followed by What's Wrong With My Pony? made me crack up, haha.
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Nov 21, 2011 22:27
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SatansBestBuddy posted:I just came here to say.... It seems that you like the auto responder, which is cool and I respect that in a completely ironic way, based on some poo poo I just pulled out of my rear end right now.
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Nov 21, 2011 22:33
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Dr Christmas posted:The new Strider reminds me of Doc Scratch, with his creepy prescience and the auto-response reminding me of the Magic Cue Balls.
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Nov 21, 2011 22:38
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So an update, and the same conversation Jake had before with Jane. But it makes a bit more sense now. Also, I agree with Jane. I like Strider's auto-responder.
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Nov 21, 2011 22:48
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I mentioned this before, but I haven't really seen anyone else talk of this as a possibility, but does it seem to anyone else that the new kids are literally Grandpa, Nanna, Bro and Mom? IE, the B1 Sburb session spawned all 8 of them; 4 of them went to universe B1 and the other 4 went to universe B2, and after playing the B2 Sburb session, end up finishing their lives in the other 'B' universe that they were not originally sent to. Or maybe the aftermath will change pending new info from the comic, but this just seems obvious to me, and is perfectly in line with Homestuck's themes of time loops and double mobius reacharounds. Only hiccup I can think of is when Nanna tells fedorafreak that the young girl never saw the boy again. Which in itself is vague enough to be either her or a separate reset Jane.
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Nov 21, 2011 22:57
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Lord of Laughton posted:I mentioned this before, but I haven't really seen anyone else talk of this as a possibility, but does it seem to anyone else that the new kids are literally Grandpa, Nanna, Bro and Mom? IE, the B1 Sburb session spawned all 8 of them; 4 of them went to universe B1 and the other 4 went to universe B2, and after playing the B2 Sburb session, end up finishing their lives in the other 'B' universe that they were not originally sent to. Or maybe the aftermath will change pending new info from the comic, but this just seems obvious to me, and is perfectly in line with Homestuck's themes of time loops and double mobius reacharounds. Unfortunately Nanna's personal history basically says this is not possible. Nanna and Grandpa were both raised by Crocker until Harley went on his adventures with Halley and Grandma later ran away. In the post-Scratch universe, while I don't know what John did before he became a famous comedian, Jade was raised by Crocker until she ran away (and formed an alternate company to attempt to compete with BCCorp, as suggested by Jake just before the autoresponder conversation.) Jane was presumably raised by Dad the whole time despite being heiress to the company.
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Nov 21, 2011 23:01
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We pretty clearly saw Nanna and Grandpa land on the kids' Earth in the early 20th century (Grandpa at least, when he killed Twain/Sassacre).
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Nov 21, 2011 23:01
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Check this sequence for evidence. Baby Nanna and Grandpa landed very near each other in 1910, on the old timeline.
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Nov 21, 2011 23:05
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What's always kind of bugged me is how there is more than one universe, or rather calling them multiple universes. Isn't that impossible?
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Nov 21, 2011 23:34
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A Bloody Crowbar posted:What's always kind of bugged me is how there is more than one universe, or rather calling them multiple universes. Isn't that impossible? Honestly, that's just one of those things you're just going to have to accept. Like how time travel is not only possible in this universe, but almost common.
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Nov 21, 2011 23:40
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A Bloody Crowbar posted:What's always kind of bugged me is how there is more than one universe, or rather calling them multiple universes. Isn't that impossible? No? From a purely scientific standpoint there's no reason there can't be more than one universe. It's even possible we can detect the effects of external structures outside our universe affecting our own (possibly other universes). Time travel on the other hand is a bit of a different conundrum. Zorak fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Nov 21, 2011 |
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Nov 21, 2011 23:42
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In a series where anime swordfights between brothers on roofs while meteors shower their city aren't uncommon, time travel dickery abounds, and the universe is literally a frog, I think disbelief can be suspended in regards to the existence of other frogs chilling and being universes.
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Nov 21, 2011 23:51
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I've never seen Arrested Development, but my friend tells me Bro sounds a lot like David Cross's character from that. Given he's a poster on Jane's wall and that quote is lifted almost verbatim, I guess there's some influence going on. Being ambiguously gay might be a thing with Bro.
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Nov 21, 2011 23:55
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A Bloody Crowbar posted:What's always kind of bugged me is how there is more than one universe, or rather calling them multiple universes. Isn't that impossible? That's like, the big thing in science fiction, multiple universes. And if you're into irl science String Theory almost mandates that there be multiple universes, so as strange as an idea it might seem to you it's an idea that's very much in these days.
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Nov 22, 2011 00:09
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Zorak posted:No? From a purely scientific standpoint there's no reason there can't be more than one universe. It's even possible we can detect the effects of external structures outside our universe affecting our own (possibly other universes). It's semantic dickery, 'universe' as I recall But that's total bullshit because 'atom' means indivisible unit and we're still all up to our loving necks in quarks.
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creationist believer posted:I've never seen Arrested Development, but my friend tells me Bro sounds a lot like David Cross's character from that. Given he's a poster on Jane's wall and that quote is lifted almost verbatim, I guess there's some influence going on. Being ambiguously gay might be a thing with Bro.
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