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dokomoy posted:Just because people aren't working on there gogopaltas from side control bottom doesn't mean people(and jiu jitsu) isn't constantly evolving. I'm not saying it's not constantly evolving, I'm saying a lot of people are limiting themselves.
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Who Gotch Ya posted:I'm not saying it's not constantly evolving, I'm saying a lot of people are limiting themselves. You're limiting yourself by only practicing stupid moves that never work so you can have an excuse when you lose (I was totally going for a wacky move i saw on youtube! I was having fun with it etc) when you could be making yourself better at grappling
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Nov 21, 2011 17:57
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james earl pwns posted:You're limiting yourself by only practicing stupid moves that never work so you can have an excuse when you lose (I was totally going for a wacky move i saw on youtube! I was having fun with it etc) when you could be making yourself better at grappling My excuse for losing is that I don't like tournaments and would rather grapple one guy wearing whatever I want with entrance music and showmanship in a real sporting environment.
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Nov 21, 2011 19:00
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james earl pwns posted:You're limiting yourself by only practicing stupid moves that never work so you can have an excuse when you lose (I was totally going for a wacky move i saw on youtube! I was having fun with it etc) when you could be making yourself better at grappling I find the biggest ego issue I see in my students is this idea that they can (and should) win or lose in practice. Try wacky moves! Have fun! Get subbed and sub in kind because when you experiment everyone's perspective broadens, everyone's grappling improves, and everyone wins. When you focus on 'high percentage' techniques, everyone gets more comfortable with 'the basics,' everyone's grappling improves, and everyone wins. How can you be so short-sighted as to think you're getting better if you're never getting tapped or moving outside your comfort zone?
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Ridleys Revenge posted:I find the biggest ego issue I see in my students is this idea that they can (and should) win or lose in practice. Try wacky moves! Have fun! Get subbed and sub in kind because when you experiment everyone's perspective broadens, everyone's grappling improves, and everyone wins. When you focus on 'high percentage' techniques, everyone gets more comfortable with 'the basics,' everyone's grappling improves, and everyone wins. How can you be so short-sighted as to think you're getting better if you're never getting tapped or moving outside your comfort zone? I'm not sure which side of the argument youre siding with here but either way I agree, or disagree possibly.
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Nov 21, 2011 20:08
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I think he's calling them both wrong. You should screw around and drill the essential moves to a high level.
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Xguard86 posted:I think he's calling them both wrong. You should screw around and drill the essential moves to a high level. Has worked pretty well for me, if you look away from my tournament record! 
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Nov 21, 2011 23:25
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judging from youtube and gym stories, I think its how most of the top guys train. poo poo, I think its how everyone who isn't a cartoon character trains.
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Nov 21, 2011 23:45
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Xguard86 posted:You should screw around and drill the essential moves to a high level. That's what makes the most sense to me. High percentage moves seem to be called such because the opportunity for them comes up more often, and that means they get completed more often. At the absolute very least you should train in those moves so you can recognize when your opponent is trying one, and be conscious of your own movements leaving you vulnerable to them. Once you can reliably save yourself from the standard subs, that's when you can focus on wacky flying armbars and such. That doesn't mean you can't learn and have fun with other subs along the way. It's like anything else. Learn the basics, have fun, and get fancy after you have a base level of knowledge.
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Nov 21, 2011 23:47
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Xguard86 posted:judging from youtube and gym stories, I think its how most of the top guys train. Yeah I'll pretty much drill the high percentage and basic stuff over and over again and then try more crazy poo poo when I'm rolling after I've tried to put the basics into play, if they're working I'll be comfortable with them and branch off into other poo poo. Which reminds me I've got a new armbar from side control to try tonight.
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Nov 22, 2011 02:51
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My favorite lower-percentage move was to start working a kimura from side control start walking my leg around the head, and then quickly throw my other leg over their body to switch it to a reverse armbar. What's everyone else's favorite non-bread-and-butter sub?
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Nov 22, 2011 04:20
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I devote a large portion of every class to hitting the secret move in sparring. Some day...
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mobn posted:My favorite lower-percentage move was to start working a kimura from side control start walking my leg around the head, and then quickly throw my other leg over their body to switch it to a reverse armbar. Occasionally when guys try to double-underhook pass my guard, I'll grab the wrist of one of their hands, pass my shin on that side across their stomach, and then extend the leg, shoulderlocking that arm. It's almost as funny as d'arce choking people from under side control.
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fatherdog posted:Occasionally when guys try to double-underhook pass my guard, I'll grab the wrist of one of their hands, pass my shin on that side across their stomach, and then extend the leg, shoulderlocking that arm. It's almost as funny as d'arce choking people from under side control. wow, do you have a link to a video for this? The double underhook pass is the bane of my existence.
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Nov 22, 2011 06:08
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I let people pass my guard while locking in a kimura and sweep them with it as soon as they get to side control.
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mobn posted:What's everyone else's favorite non-bread-and-butter sub? My second favorite unconventional sub is this armbar which occurs 64 minutes in this Braulio video http://www.budovideos.com/online/shows/rolledup/rolled-up-epsiode-29-training-the-gray-areas-with-braulio-estima/ I taught myself it from this video and use it once in a while for fun Yuns fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Nov 22, 2011 |
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the periodic fable posted:There's nothing wrong with putting your knees in positions like the guy on the bottom. That's completely normal and anyone who says anything else obviously doesn't stretch enough.
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Nov 22, 2011 12:47
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I get this one from time to time which never fails to piss off the guy who was trying to kimura me.
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mobn posted:My favorite lower-percentage move was to start working a kimura from side control start walking my leg around the head, and then quickly throw my other leg over their body to switch it to a reverse armbar. I like to play high mount, and often the newer people will hug to try and protect their arms. The standard and safe way to finish that is to post a foot while trapping the arm over your hip, which turns into an easy mounted kimura. Alteratively, I prefer to post my foot, grab my ankle and heave my body to the side, rolling my partner over to a ridiculous omoplata. It is not "smooth", it is not graceful, it is not even particularly cool looking, but I can't resist being silly.
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My favourite is the sambo calf slice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DqcOy_RW6A There's also another one that Stepha Kesting did in his Unorthodox Positions & Attacks that i can't remember the name of now but it's basically an Achilles in which you trap his other leg as well and then thread them over each other. It's more or less a pain lock as I recall but you can get some fantastic torque on it
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Bohemian Nights posted:There's nothing wrong with putting your knees in positions like the guy on the bottom. That's completely normal and anyone who says anything else obviously doesn't stretch enough. Could you post some of your knee stretches, I'm really looking to limber up my patella?
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the periodic fable posted:There's also another one that Stepha Kesting did in his Unorthodox Positions & Attacks that i can't remember the name of now but it's basically an Achilles in which you trap his other leg as well and then thread them over each other. It's more or less a pain lock as I recall but you can get some fantastic torque on it I was at that seminar, he called it the "leg weave". It was basically an achilles lock + kneebar at the same time. Cool technique although I can't really say I've used it since then. 
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haha wow I've actually done that twice in the last month. I learned it from Rigan Machado at a seminar a few months back. Its brilliant because people often try to use their other leg to kick free: you catch that and use their escape against them. Is that the same thing Nelson used to tap Mir at that grappling tournament?
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Xguard86 posted:haha wow I've actually done that twice in the last month. I learned it from Rigan Machado at a seminar a few months back. Its brilliant because people often try to use their other leg to kick free: you catch that and use their escape against them. Nelson didn't tap Mir, he just breakdanced all over him. He tapped Brandon Vera with a kneebar that involved trapping both legs iirc.
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I don't think he had Vera's legs crossed. I think it was just a straight-up double kneebar.
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double wrong on tha' dubble knee'bahr.
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colonel_korn posted:I was at that seminar, he called it the "leg weave". It was basically an achilles lock + kneebar at the same time. Cool technique although I can't really say I've used it since then. haha yes, that's it. I've hit it a couple of times but more for fun than anything else, though I have more success with it from standing up outside the opponent's guard
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the periodic fable posted:haha yes, that's it. I've hit it a couple of times but more for fun than anything else, though I have more success with it from standing up outside the opponent's guard If you actually have that DVD and notice the only guy doing things in shorts and a t-shirt (because he thought it was a no-gi seminar), that's me.  e: here I am getting scarf-held by some Asian guy.
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ahaha, I did actually mentally remark on it when I saw it ages ago, that's really funny.
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mobn posted:My favorite lower-percentage move was to start working a kimura from side control start walking my leg around the head, and then quickly throw my other leg over their body to switch it to a reverse armbar. This is not low percentage at all. In fact it's the go to transition from the Gotch special. fatherdog posted:Occasionally when guys try to double-underhook pass my guard, I'll grab the wrist of one of their hands, pass my shin on that side across their stomach, and then extend the leg, shoulderlocking that arm. It's almost as funny as d'arce choking people from under side control. Yeah this rules too. colonel_korn posted:I get this one from time to time which never fails to piss off the guy who was trying to kimura me. The ad on the bottom of youtube was for a Rolls Royce and there was no way my brain could possibly pronounce those Rs as anything but H. the periodic fable posted:My favourite is the sambo calf slice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DqcOy_RW6A Yes. Somersault calf slice from top half guard is the most baller submission though. The second lock you're talking about may be a cross heel hold? One of Volk Han's favorites. Move 3 here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKMg7B1jck8 (fake edit: ok now I see it was answered but the cross heel hold rules too) Also that armbar counter to the calf slicer is so dope. It was used in Volk Han vs Tamura too, and was the finish to Hideo Tokoro (little Volk) vs Daisuke Nakamura (trains with Tamura). HISTORY.
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actually, I will agree that MOBN's sub isn't all that low percentage. Its one of my instructors favorite moves and he's a super old school bread and butter guy.
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Xguard86 posted:actually, I will agree that MOBN's sub isn't all that low percentage. Its one of my instructors favorite moves and he's a super old school bread and butter guy. I guess. My instructor always said you weren't as likely to finish it because it's harder to apply pressure to the reverse armbar over the standard one, but I concede the point that it's much easier to set up than the subs a lot of other people are mentioning.
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Reverse triangle from under side control is pretty cool and easy to get if they have their arm between your legs you just gotta push their head in between and lock it up.
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mobn posted:My favorite lower-percentage move was to start working a kimura from side control start walking my leg around the head, and then quickly throw my other leg over their body to switch it to a reverse armbar. I have no idea what it's called (someone called it a victory choke at a tournament), but you're in side control, hand under the head gable grips your other hand as you pinch your elbows together and choke them. It's got a good surprise factor.
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Drewjitsu posted:I have no idea what it's called (someone called it a victory choke at a tournament), but you're in side control, hand under the head gable grips your other hand as you pinch your elbows together and choke them. It's a no-gi variant of a baseball-bat choke.
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Who Gotch Ya posted:Yes. Somersault calf slice from top half guard is the most baller submission though. I think it's pretty much the same lock, though it seems people cross their legs differently or don't cross them at all What's the somersault calf slice? I thought it would be this but I misremembered it, turns out it was a regular toehold
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Xguard86 posted:Could you post some of your knee stretches, I'm really looking to limber up my patella? I was actually joking, because the position of the knee in that picture looks absolutely grotesque, but that's not to say I don't do it to myself all the time, although I'm trying to avoid it. As for knee and flexibility stretches, for better or for worse, I've was given a mastering the rubber guard book in my first month of training, and I've been using a lot of Eddie Bravo's stretches from that book before basically every training session, and although the stretching portion of that book has been given a lot of flak from some people, it's been good to me. I suppose the butterfly stretch should work pretty well for your knees until you can finally get them flat to the ground. I've kind of reached that barrier a long while ago myself, so I'm actually looking for some new stretching routines as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS6ju33eeow I do wonder how much of knee and hip flexibility is genetic, though. I very much doubt I'd have the flexibility I have today if I weren't "born" with it. Hell, I'm fairly certain I'm even more flexible than cXb, although I never got to find out
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I was following your joke with a joke because you can't stretch a joint. It was not a good joke.
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the periodic fable posted:I think it's pretty much the same lock, though it seems people cross their legs differently or don't cross them at all From the top of half guard, flatten the guy out. You won't have room to roll properly if he's on his side. Then figure four your legs around the leg that's in between yours. Basically doing Eddie Bravo's lockdown except from the top. Then roll over your shoulder, going towards the outside. So if you have his right leg locked down, you'd roll over your right shoulder, but on the right side of his body. Grab the instep and there's your calf slicer. If I find a video I'll post it. OK I found one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSI5x3BO_K4 Who Gotch Ya fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Nov 22, 2011 |
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