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"That's not a knife. THIS is a knife."
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Wasn't she not supposed to be showing that to anyone? I feel like I must have missed or forgotten something.
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Nov 23, 2011 09:10
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Elysiume posted:Wasn't she not supposed to be showing that to anyone? I feel like I must have missed or forgotten something. She wasn't supposed to tell anyone in the forest about it but Coyote apparently doesn't mind if she tells the court.
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Nov 23, 2011 09:18
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The knife is apparently still a secret but Annie did manage to remove Coyote's rear end in a top hat tag.
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Nov 23, 2011 09:18
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And Annie just pulled out Chekov's gun.
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Nov 23, 2011 09:22
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I swear I should've remembered the tooth and it wouldn't have been as much of a "oh duh" moment with my brain. So this was all engineered by Coyote to remove Jeanne from the river, he is a good trickster.
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Nov 23, 2011 09:33
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Uh oh. Am I the only one who thinks this is a BAD idea?
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Nov 23, 2011 10:25
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In retrospect, if you're going to have an invincible spectral guardian bound to your river of the damned by the weight of her grief and torment, you probably should not then recruit centuries of meddling kids with magical powers, tell them it's a big mystery, and ignore their attempts to solve it. It's a lesson hundreds of Scooby-Doo villains have learned over the years.
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Nov 23, 2011 10:37
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It's gonna be funny when that tooth doesn't work outside the forest and Annie just looks like (more of) a weirdo. Just carryin' around this here toof. Also that she makes Renard eat it and then hork it up when she wants it.
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Nov 23, 2011 11:21
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Zenzirouj posted:Also that she makes Renard eat it and then hork it up when she wants it. Between that and his previous use as a bully frightener / walking lockpick, I now imagine she basically treats him like the Luggage from Discworld.
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Nov 23, 2011 11:28
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Ka0 posted:The knife is apparently still a secret but Annie did manage to remove Coyote's rear end in a top hat tag. I think the band dissipated naturally when she came home from the forest. Coyote don't give no shits what the court people know, but he's presumably got some stake in the forest folk being kept in the dark about favours he's doing for a human. Or he's just dicking around.
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Nov 23, 2011 11:33
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Hahah, maybe. Put a terrifying bond on her, then when she tries to use it, it does nothing. Oh Coyote you prankster!
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Nov 23, 2011 11:39
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Didn't he say that knife was so powerful it could 'split the very earth itself'? Parley better not miss.
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Nov 23, 2011 12:46
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It isn't very diplomatic to bring an ICBM to a swordfight, guys.
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Nov 23, 2011 14:09
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MikeJF posted:Didn't he say that knife was so powerful it could 'split the very earth itself'? She BETTER miss, or no more robot 
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Nov 23, 2011 14:15
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My suspicion is that no Jeanne = no bond restricting Coyote's power to his side of the river. It's probably in everyone's interest that Coyote's power is kept in check, so this is going to be very bad news and possibly someone is going to have to sacrifice their life at the end of it to restore the seal. Or maybe that's too dark for Gunnerkrigg.
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Nov 23, 2011 14:27
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Casull posted:And Annie just pulled out Chekov's gun. Chekov's magical coyote toothknife. Gun. Thing. All I can say to this is "awwwwwwwwwww yeeeeeeeeeuh"
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Nov 23, 2011 14:59
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Fangz posted:My suspicion is that no Jeanne = no bond restricting Coyote's power to his side of the river. It's probably in everyone's interest that Coyote's power is kept in check, so this is going to be very bad news and possibly someone is going to have to sacrifice their life at the end of it to restore the seal. Or maybe that's too dark for Gunnerkrigg. Too dark and not really consistant with the general themes of the comic, in my opinion. It would be basically painting one side of the Court/Forest divide as evil and arguing that an actual peace between the two sides by diplomacy is impossible and that a physical barrior is the only way to avoid out and out war, which given that Annie is basically a diplomat in training doesn't strike me as the way the story is likely to go. Plus, giving the emphasis on Jeannie's pain so far I'd doubt the story will end up justifying her slavery as a necessary evil. Also didn't Coyote make a promise not to attack the court personally when they built the bridge anyway. Certainly Anja seemed to think that, rather than Jeannie, was the main obstacle to him attacking now. In many ways once the court built the bridge, admittedly on their terms, they nullified a lot of the advantages of Jeanie as a weapon (possibly because they'd never been told about her and everyones forgotten her existence, she's just a landmine left by a now long dead army and isn't considered as part of the courts defense by the current administration).
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Nov 23, 2011 15:18
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Cestrian posted:Too dark and not really consistant with the general themes of the comic, in my opinion. Well, Coyote wouldn't be necessarily evil, in this case, but his trickstering would be almost inevitably destructive. Recall this is the guy who etched a massive fingerprint on the moon on a whim (which is rather a dick move, given that people live there...), and handed Renard an ability that got someone killed. Coyote is not someone you want 'playing around' with a bunch of powerful and emotionally unstable teenagers around. Explaining more the importance of Jeanne being there, if anything, would be possibly consistent with the theme of the comic, by painting the original Court administration as not senselessly evil. We still haven't really been told 'why' the elders of the Court did that. Diego certainly was blinded by his desire for revenge, but the rest of the Court? They must have had their reasons. Fangz fucked around with this message at 15:32 on Nov 23, 2011 |
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Nov 23, 2011 15:27
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No, there certainly won't be any unforeseen consequences from this at all
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Nov 23, 2011 16:48
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Fangz posted:Explaining more the importance of Jeanne being there, if anything, would be possibly consistent with the theme of the comic, by painting the original Court administration as not senselessly evil. We still haven't really been told 'why' the elders of the Court did that. Diego certainly was blinded by his desire for revenge, but the rest of the Court? They must have had their reasons. Oh, we already know they did it as a security measure and yes sure they probably had good reason to want a way to stop people crossing the river, which greys up the matter a bit more and I'm fine with that. But I still can't see the comic concluding that what the founders did to Jeanne was justified and that freeing her is a mistake that must be rectified, by somebody sacrificing themselves as a replacement. Because, that's kind of a horrible moral. "Sometimes, kids, they are people who are different from you, who have different points of view and the only way to stop them from killing you all is making sure that they stay away from you, that you don't talk to them and that they can't get into your land. And if you have to enslave and torment an innocent woman to do that then by god don't let that stop you." If the comic doesn't end with the forest and the Court reaching somne kind of detente, if not an actual alliance, that makes Jeanne obselete I'd be shocked. Annie's being trained to be a diplomat not a solider.
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Nov 23, 2011 17:02
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Ah but Gillitie Wood != Coyote. Coyote, Ysengrin, and Reynardine are all creatures who arrived after the creation of the Court and the Woods, and Coyote personally directly created the division of them, by creating the River Annan. As it is, people can actually cross over the river, by means of the bridge.
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Nov 23, 2011 17:42
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Annie makes bad decisions.
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Nov 23, 2011 19:24
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Fangz posted:Ah but Gillitie Wood != Coyote. Coyote, Ysengrin, and Reynardine are all creatures who arrived after the creation of the Court and the Woods, and Coyote personally directly created the division of them, by creating the River Annan. Sure, though Coyote's been allied with the wood much longer than any of the current staff at the court has been allied with Gunnerkrigg and he and Ysengrin are the woods most prominent representives in the comic. And it's worth mentioning that the court and the wood were already fighting and had picked sides when Coyote split them into two physical sides by making the gorge. But yep, there's a bridge which Coyote says the court built later, on their terms. Presumably one of those terms being the promise Coyote made not to attack the court that Anja talked about. Which is why I still think Jeanne is a relic, from a time when the relationships between the court and the woods were much worse and she isn't actually needed anymore. I don't think releasing her will make any real difference.
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Nov 23, 2011 19:26
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kidcoelacanth posted:Annie makes bad decisions. There's pretty much no way this can't turn out badly.
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Nov 23, 2011 23:41
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http://gunnerkrigg.tumblr.com/post/13224487478/here-is-a-picture-of-january-and-cookie-monster In case anyone isn't a twitter/tumblr stalker.
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Nov 24, 2011 00:06
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For some reason I really don't see Coyote as the type who bothers to think that far ahead. His train of thought when handing over the tooth was probably something like, "I don't know what she'll do with this, but it will be hilarious."
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Nov 24, 2011 00:17
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January seems pretty cool.
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Nov 24, 2011 00:32
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Oxxidation posted:For some reason I really don't see Coyote as the type who bothers to think that far ahead. His train of thought when handing over the tooth was probably something like, "I don't know what she'll do with this, but it will be hilarious." I dunno, he's up to something. Jeanne protects the Court, which implies that the Court needs protecting. But the only thing in Gillitie Forest that is really dangerous is Ysengrin, who gets his power from ... Coyote. Then there were the bound dogs which crossed over and "infected" the Court with Coyote's glass-eyed men. And his infuriatingly vague proclamation that the Court was "man's attempt to become God." Somebody seems to be playing a long game. It appears that the first domino will be Jeanne being unbound/destroyed. I'm starting to wonder if Coyote told Muut about Jeanne in the first place, really playing up the sob story, getting the psychopomps all worked up about this soul they can't reach. He knew they would try to find a solution. And if they (or their agents, like Annie) remove Jeanne from the board, then some nefarious long-term plan will suddenly become apparent. Or maybe we'll have another twenty chapters of Smitty and Parley before the nefarious plan happens. That's good too.
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Nov 25, 2011 04:59
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Whatever happens, I am 100% certain Yssengrin is going to bite it and I'm going to be bummed about it.
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Nov 25, 2011 05:29
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This idea is looking worse and worse.
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Nov 25, 2011 09:02
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So the last thing you hear as you're being stabbed, traveling up through your spine and into your inner ear, is the sound of Coyote laughing. Huh.
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Nov 25, 2011 09:04
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Ahh Coyote. Bringing laughter into our lives. Deadly, deadly, laughter.
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Nov 25, 2011 09:08
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What a prankster!
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Nov 25, 2011 09:11
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haha, Parley looks so worried
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Nov 25, 2011 10:51
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This is a good idea and nothing will go wrong.
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Nov 25, 2011 11:36
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Hey Parley, maybe wanna not hold that so close to your face?
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Nov 25, 2011 11:51
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This is so obviously going to result in disaster that I feel like it might just end up going really well just to play with our expectations.
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Nov 25, 2011 11:54
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I guess it's going to all depend on whether Smitty is around when they carry out this plan...
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Nov 25, 2011 12:04
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Fangz posted:I guess it's going to all depend on whether Smitty is around when they carry out this plan... Yeah, that way when someone accidentally gets dismembered, all the parts will land on the ground in neat orderly fashion. No, I don't think anything like that will happen in this comic, but this does feel like a mistake. And I mean the whole thing, not just using the sword. Like some others, I've long thought that releasing Jeanne is going to lead to pretty serious consequences. On the other hand, it feels like the right thing to do morally. I think it's a good sign that this comic can make me feel conflicted like that. Madrox fucked around with this message at 12:19 on Nov 25, 2011 |
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