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Light Gun Man
Oct 17, 2009

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Lipstick Apathy
Yeah I know you can't stack Amazon copies for example, but I'm hoping Best Buy ones can be. Guess I'll find out in...February? I'm probably not going to put these in right away.

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delfin
Dec 5, 2003

SNATTER'S ALIVE?!?!
I will be interested in how that turns out. So far, I have a Best Buy key and a pile of gamecards, and have held off from the GameStop key because (a) its gift item is gently caress-all useless now and (b) the gamecards are effectively cheaper.

Space Skeleton
Sep 28, 2004

I think the gimmick was that you could put in 1 retail code per account? Or maybe it was you could put in one code per retailer per account? Something like that, I know you can't just keep extending your sub using retail keys forever.

Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


delfin posted:

Hope so, but the release notes are pretty specific.
:ughh:

I'm trying to encourage folks to play this game, but predatory F2P poo poo like this doesn't help. The hell, you're not even guaranteed to get the Archetype in the bag? That's insane. Goddammit, Cryptic (or Perfect World, or whoever pushed that.)

Death Himself posted:

Or maybe it was you could put in one code per retailer per account?
Last I heard it was this, but it may have been changed since to limit it to a single code. Both codes I tried were from Amazon though, so I don't have the experience to say.

Asimo fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Nov 24, 2011

sentrygun
Dec 29, 2009

i say~
hey start:nya-sh
The control panel on their site lists every code you've entered as a specific unlock (my Steam purchase, for example), so chances are it'll detect the codes as being from either specific retailers or as a generic code and probably won't let you stack them if they match. I never looked into much though.

Also, :toot:, can't wait to see how many chumps buy fifty bags of poo poo just to get a costume piece. Gotta love cash shops.

Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


It's not even that different. Just recolored powers from green to red. Still, "random chance" with real money is worryingly close to gambling. Sheesh.

Asimo fucked around with this message at 05:50 on Nov 24, 2011

General Maximus
Jul 14, 2006
Standard models come in white labcoats for inexplicable reasons.
Anyone else think those packs sound suspiciously similar to the Super Packs CoH announced recently? What you get (Random consumables and costume bits) is the same, and they're even the same 80 points. I can't help but wonder which game ripped off the other, or if they somehow both genuinely had the same idea at almost the same time.

Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


General Maximus posted:

Anyone else think those packs sound suspiciously similar to the Super Packs CoH announced recently? What you get (Random consumables and costume bits) is the same, and they're even the same 80 points. I can't help but wonder which game ripped off the other, or if they somehow both genuinely had the same idea at almost the same time.
It's not exactly a leap of surprise here; F2P games have had similar schemes of random drops and purchased consumables for years now if you look at the Korean/Asian examples (which admittedly are deservedly derided for it by sane people). Throwing in costume bits... well, it's not like either CoH or ChampO have much else they can incentivize purchases with.

It's still dumb and exploitive, but "ripping off the competition" isn't a big factor.

Mewnie
Apr 2, 2011

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Asimo posted:

:ughh:

I'm trying to encourage folks to play this game, but predatory F2P poo poo like this doesn't help. The hell, you're not even guaranteed to get the Archetype in the bag? That's insane. Goddammit, Cryptic (or Perfect World, or whoever pushed that.)


I think the wiki folks worked it out that on average, you'd have to spend like more than a Lifetime sub to get the parts:

quote:

Lohr tested the drop rates on the PTS, and had to buy 90 bags before she got a full set. At 250 bags she still hadn't gotten the AT.

90 bags @ 80 CP = 7200 CP = $90.
250 bags @ 80 CP = 20,000 CP = $250

:suicide:

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Bags weren't even on the PTS last night.

Asimo posted:

It's not even that different. Just recolored powers from green to red. Still, "random chance" with real money is worryingly close to gambling. Sheesh.

Sure, but if you're Silver you don't have the powers that they recolored. It's not going to be people with Infernal buying the bags for the AT, it's going to be people trying to get a cheap AT.

I do like that I saw people selling the AT for 1000 last night, though. More than silver can hold, excellent business strategy there, Captain Darkshadow.

Also, CO has had these bags since F2P launch. They just used to only offer gear and a consumable, costumes are recent. Having an exclusive costume set is annoying, but it's grimdark garbage anyway so nobody important is hurt.

If they put the bird armor set in one though, there will be a fight. I have vacation days and I know where they're located.

Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 12:50 on Nov 24, 2011

Mewnie
Apr 2, 2011

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They were, but Cryptic yanked them from the PTS P-D-Q!

They probably came to the conclusion that folks were going to realize that this grab bag thing is bullshit (which it is).
I can only imagine that someone from marketing was all 'This is an awesome idea guys!' Proving that once again, marketers
are the bane of all that is good and just in this world :v:

Aphrodite posted:


Also, CO has had these bags since F2P launch. They just used to only offer gear and a consumable, costumes are recent. Having an exclusive costume set is annoying, but it's grimdark garbage anyway so nobody important is hurt.

If they put the bird armor set in one though, there will be a fight. I have vacation days and I know where they're located.

I didn't recall those bag. But then they didn't offer anything one couldn't already get via other means, so I suppose out of sight, out of mind. I do fear we will see more costume gachapon in the future, which is pretty disappointing.

Mewnie fucked around with this message at 12:57 on Nov 24, 2011

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Mewnie posted:

I didn't recall those bag. But then they didn't offer anything one couldn't already get via other means, so I suppose out of sight, out of mind. I do fear we will see more costume gachapon in the future, which is pretty disappointing.

They were called like gift boxes or something.

People used to use them a lot on the PTS for boosted characters.


Also I would think the real math on the bags is how long it took Lohr to get 8 costume pieces, period. Doubles can be traded for the missing pieces.

Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Nov 24, 2011

Mewnie
Apr 2, 2011

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Aphrodite posted:

Also I would think the real math on the bags is how long it took Lohr to get 8 costume pieces, period. Doubles can be traded for the missing pieces.

I know about that. But what I've noticed, in zonechat and on the AH, is that there are a LOT of the boots and chain bracers for 50-75g. Then there's a few spiked bracers for around 300. No eye accessories yet. Oh yeah, and the AT unlock for 1000g :lol:

It just feels wrong for me, even though I did buy a few with the leftover CP when I picked up the blazing speed that's on sale. I did manage to get a spiked bracer out of one, so 300g :toot:

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Anyway... Need judges (and monies) for Saturday. 8pm EST as usual.

Mewnie
Apr 2, 2011

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Oh I see, it's cause I mentioned making some globals eh? :nyd:

Raxmus
Jul 7, 2011

by Y Kant Ozma Post
Just re-subscribed to CO and I wanted to say thank you to all the wonderful goons who helped with my obnoxious questions in the chat channel and invited me to the supergroup. The customization both in appearance, abilities, and the fast paced combat make this game a helluva lot of fun for someone like me who doesn't have a ton of time to invest into the game. Come join us and explore the game, it's pretty cool!

Mewnie
Apr 2, 2011

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I didn't know Peter Chimaera played CO!

quote:

Name: Drakov Marakovski [Revenge]

Age: 116 [29]

Current status: Single

Note: do not anger, walk up friendly

Bio: During the Angel/Demon war, Revenge was just being born in a factory. But then the angels struck and started destroying the factory, killing every demon in sight. But then one angel had a show of compassion and stole the demon away before he could get destroyed. She soon went to earth and put baby revenge at the doorstep of a Russian family that couldn't get kids. He was soon named Drakov Marakovski and was soon raised by them even though he was different. At the age of 18, he soon traveled to afgahnistan to fight in the war for 14 years. He survived a tank bullet and was known as "The Juggernaut" but after he lost his friend Dave Smith in a escort mission that went wrong, he quit. Soon UNTIL learned of his origins and imprisoned Revenge for experiments. that's when Revenge discovered his rage when he escaped. But learned a terrible truth about the escort mission. That it was the UNTIL that was shooting at him and killed Dave. Raged, he destroyed all information about him in the database and killed hundreds of UNTIL officers. ever since then he has been on the run, hiding in plain sight fron UNTIL. he traveled everywhere, training, waiting. Eventually he started to become a pro boxer and never lost one fight. After that he came to Millennium City and works as a bartender at Club Caprice. But as long has he lives, he will never forgive UNTIL, and he will have his Revenge.

:allears:

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Looks like CO is in decline again. A few familiar names have disappeared from the channel, and some others are on much less often.

I blame Asimo.




Anyway, here were tonight's winners...



Left to right:
Neon Girl as Crazy Britney.
Yankee Poodle, our Worst winner.
Sister Silicon Prime, who won Electricity. There are literally a dozen different tights pieces with electric themes, and like 5 emblems. Not one made an appearance tonight.
Psychonaut, who won Space.



Comrade Kangaroo, who won Soviet despite not looking like a Kangaroo. He has a tail you can't see.
Peachy, who won Formal.

Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


Aphrodite posted:

I blame Asimo.
Just as planned. :smug: That's a pretty good spacesuit though, I may have to borrow some of it for a proper ASIMO take.

(I imagine it being a holiday weekend that involves a lot of travel for many people didn't help attendance either.)

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Asimo posted:

(I imagine it being a holiday weekend that involves a lot of travel for many people didn't help attendance either.)

Contestant attendance was fine.

I just mean in general. The usual names are either on far less, or gone completely.

Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


Aphrodite posted:

Contestant attendance was fine.

I just mean in general. The usual names are either on far less, or gone completely.
Well, that I suspect is more Skyrim/Saints Row 3/Uncharted 3/Arkham City/Battlefield 3/Assassins Cree- what the gently caress is it with this november and AAA games anyway? :gonk:

General Maximus
Jul 14, 2006
Standard models come in white labcoats for inexplicable reasons.

Asimo posted:

Well, that I suspect is more Skyrim/Saints Row 3/Uncharted 3/Arkham City/Battlefield 3/Assassins Cree- what the gently caress is it with this november and AAA games anyway? :gonk:

The game companies want them out far enough in advance of Christmas for all the kids to start begging their parents to get them this game or that game for Christmas.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

I think for Christmas we should have a Halloween CC. Announce it and treat it as a Christmas CC and everything, but the categories are Mummy, Frankenstein, Vampire and Ghost.

Also need ideas for whatever we're doing next. I don't want to go crawling back through the thread, so if you guys could repost any you had that'd be good.

The Man From Melmac
Sep 8, 2008

Aphrodite posted:

I think for Christmas we should have a Halloween CC. Announce it and treat it as a Christmas CC and everything, but the categories are Mummy, Frankenstein, Vampire and Ghost.

Also need ideas for whatever we're doing next. I don't want to go crawling back through the thread, so if you guys could repost any you had that'd be good.

As long as the name of the costume contest is along the lines of 'The Nightmare Before Christmas'.

jjac
Jun 12, 2007

What time is it?!

Benjamin Black posted:

As long as the name of the costume contest is along the lines of 'The Nightmare Before Christmas'.

I dunno, the point is that we treat as a straight-up Christmas CC with the categories mysteriously replaced.

"Alright folks! Time to wear those overalls and march on over to Santa's Little Workshop! It's time for the Frankenstein category!"

And then we all put on our 'elf' costumes like in the Halloween CC.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

jjac posted:

I dunno, the point is that we treat as a straight-up Christmas CC with the categories mysteriously replaced.

"Alright folks! Time to wear those overalls and march on over to Santa's Little Workshop! It's time for the Frankenstein category!"

And then we all put on our 'elf' costumes like in the Halloween CC.

Yeah, exactly.

Supergoons is hosting a Christmas CC this weekend, to celebrate the Holidays. Bring plenty of hot chocolate, it's cold out there! Categories are Mummy, Frankenstein, Ghost and Vampire!

Light Gun Man
Oct 17, 2009

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Well my best buy copies arrived and I'm assuming these won't stack after all.

Apparently, they give you like 400 points, a Grond figure, and some damage reduction item. The Amazon copies gave points and costume unlocks and would not stack, so I'm guessing that will be the same deal here (or they will just come up generic because these are old and maybe the offer has passed, I don't know).

I would find out right now, but I know I'm not going to have much time to play through December. Gimme a couple days into January and I'll have the mystery of stacking cheap rear end best buy copies solved though. I am at least hopeful that I can use one of these on my account, as otherwise they'll become pretty useless.

The Man From Melmac
Sep 8, 2008

Aphrodite posted:

Yeah, exactly.

Supergoons is hosting a Christmas CC this weekend, to celebrate the Holidays. Bring plenty of hot chocolate, it's cold out there! Categories are Mummy, Frankenstein, Ghost and Vampire!

Wait, wait, no Wolfman? Make all the arguments about furries you want but you can't just nix a classic like that. :colbert:

Mewnie
Apr 2, 2011

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Benjamin Black posted:

Wait, wait, no Wolfman? Make all the arguments about furries you want but you can't just nix a classic like that. :colbert:

And then the CC would be flooded with hyperblack beast stance werewolves :v:

sentrygun
Dec 29, 2009

i say~
hey start:nya-sh

Mewnie posted:

And then the CC would be flooded with hyperblack beast stance werewolves :v:

You say that like that doesn't happen anyways.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Yeah but if it's a category we have to give one of them a prize.

LordSaturn
Aug 12, 2007

sadly unfunny

Just make it "Werewolf (Human Form)" and give a prize to the one who looks least like an animal.

Tenzarin
Jul 24, 2007
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Taco Defender

Thats that really famous superhero who has done everything and you never heard of him.

delfin
Dec 5, 2003

SNATTER'S ALIVE?!?!
Trip report: the reworked Supernatural powerset / Poison mechanic.

Previously, the Infernal Supernatural powerset was a pretty simple deal:
1) Get Venomous Breath as a spammable cone attack
2) Get Supernatural Power to make Venomous Breath be a non-stop energy factory 90% of the time
3) Get Vile Lariat w/advantage for 100% chance of Bleed at range, then get the Venomous Breath advantage that stuns Bleeding enemies
4) Ride those to level 40.

The above still works fine, but Poison brings more powers into play. The basic idea is that lots of Supernatural powers have some chance of causing Poison stacks, they stack up to ten, they have 50% shield penetration, and more stacks now cause more DoT instead of more ticks. The end result is that consistently poisoning an enemy can stack up substantial DoT pretty quickly.

Enter Epidemic, a new power that is sufficiently effective that a nerf bat might be coming. 25 foot PBAoE, does reasonable damage per .5 sec, and each tick has a 15% chance of adding a Poison stack. Take the advantage and the maintain shortens from 4 seconds to 3, and the Poison stack chances increase to 25%/tick. Why is a shorter maintain good? Because if you do a full maintain, enemies caught in it have their Poison stacks DOUBLED. This can get hefty enemies up to a full 10 stacks very very quickly and keep them there.

Epidemic ALSO syncs up with Supernatural Power, meaning that full maintains are super easy to spam. The wide AoE range and move-while-attacking mean that you can wade through groups, maintain the Smoke Rings of Doom, and not worry too much about aggroing because anything that gets close to you drops.

Other new powers include Infernal Blast, a tier 0 that refreshes Poison stacks and (with adv) spreads Poison to other targets on a full charge (meh -- you're better off just applying stacks the normal way) and Locust Swarm (standard-issue charge-to-Paralyze, can Poison with its advantage), along with a reworking of Aspect of the Infernal to make it trigger on Poison rather than knocks (Aspect of the Ethereal does what Infernal used to do).

The effect is to make Pestilence a little more interesting, if you don't mind being squishy, as it now reduces Toxic resistance by 1% per stack of Poison on an enemy. That 10% Toxic debuff, plus the 8.3%-12% Toxic debuff from Defile, plus Pestilence jacking up Toxic damage and causing additional Toxic DoT up close, plus the Toxic AoE DoT advantage on Defile, plus a damage boost from Aspect, plus constant Epidemic spams... that's a lot of pain in the air. An alternative for increased survivability is to take something like Regeneration or Invulnerability, so that you can suck up hits while puffing everything in sight.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Wind is up on the PTS right now.

Most of the advantages aren't in, but the set gimmick seems to be knocks (Of course) and some kind of synchronization with Ice and Electric.



New calender's up too.

Week 2: Holiday Event Grab Bag (Likely identical to the Halloween one, early stuff from the event), Whiteout 4
Week 3: Whiteout 5 and "Whiteout Costume Set and Items" in the C-Store.
Week 4: Earth and Wind powersets, and Total Whiteout.
Week 5 (into January): Costume Grab Bag

Also Winter Event runs 16th-31st.

Nothing has been clarified, so if the Whiteout set is just a shortcut or actual new stuff, nobody knows. Same with what's in the bags.

Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Dec 2, 2011

Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


Aphrodite posted:

Wind is up on the PTS right now.

Most of the advantages aren't in, but the set gimmick seems to be knocks (Of course) and some kind of synchronization with Ice and Electric.
Huh, wasn't expecting a new powerset anytime soon, that's pretty nifty actually.

quote:

New calender's up too.
How do you always beat me to this? :negative: But fine, here it is.

    December 2011
    7th - 10th Holiday Event Grab Bag (C-Store)
    8th - 10th Comic Series 2: Whiteout, Issue 4
    14th - 17th Whiteout Costumes & Items (C-Store)
    15th - 17th Comic Series 2: Whiteout, Issue 5
    16th - 31st Winter Event: Attack of the Misfit Toys
    21st - 24th New Archetype: The Squall (Wind)
    21st - 24th New Archetype: The Mountain (Earth)
    21st - 24th Comic Series 2: Total Whiteout
    28th - 31st Costume Grab Bag (C-Store)

quote:

Nothing has been clarified, so if the Whiteout set is just a shortcut or actual new stuff, nobody knows. Same with what's in the bags.
I suspect just a shortcut, since I know folks've whined about the super-rare drops in previous content and how they'd just pay money for it, but we'll find out later I guess.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Okay, I got an idea.

"Supergoons has run out of ideas! That's why we're letting YOU, the people, choose the categories for our next Costume Contest! What category do you wish was at a CC, but never is? Really want to show off that costume you made, but never find an appropriate category? Now's your chance!"

Then we totally ruin their suggestions. They give us Ninja, we make Ninja Turtle. They give us Catgirl, we give them Cat-in-the-Hatgirl.


This would be for next weekend. Saturday, 8 server, the usual. As for our Christmas, I think we'll need to do that on the Friday since the Saturday is Christmas Eve and people probably won't be around.

Allatum
Feb 20, 2008

Pillbug
I really like that idea, but it may take work to mutilate some suggestions.

ColHannibal
Sep 17, 2007
Best costume based on the film "the running man"

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Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

quote:

I really like that idea, but it may take work to mutilate some suggestions.

No, look!

ColHannibal posted:

Best costume based on the film "the running man"

Best costume based on the dance "The Running Man".

Bam.

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