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I'm pretty sure it's been stated that without the final prototyping, Skaia's battlefield won't 'ripen' or 'mature' or whatever the cool kids call it these days. In a normal session there's be heart of the battlefield in which to raise the Genesis Frog, and in Kids' session there would be no Tumor. Also Bec needed to prototype to take down that meteor, so it sort of really needed to happen.
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How can one planet possible create multiple new universes, when the host planet has to be destroyed as a natural part of the game. If multiple kids from earth started playing successful games alongside each other then earth would be hit by multiple reckonings, and afterwards there's be multiple sets of exiles wandering around getting in eachothers way. Also it would be super easy for people to get into parallel games just by flying through skaian portals and popping up in eachothers incipisphere's.
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Nov 25, 2011 09:34
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Well see it didn't happen on earth because only the kids were successful. It sounds like everyone else hosed up immediately. I was pretty sure it's been implied since the beginning multiple sessions were taking place on earth, the rest just didn't get anywhere. e: VVVVV There's not really even been any conclusive evidence that the kids were the only ones to get anywhere, we just didn't hear from any other groups. We've only been following this group, and no one else was involved so... believe what you want! Maybe other sessions were successful and made happy new universes to live in and everything was great. But we aren't following them so we'll never know (~fanfiction~) Starmaker fucked around with this message at 09:47 on Nov 25, 2011 |
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Nov 25, 2011 09:40
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Yeah, Sburb seemed like a pretty hotly anticipated title from Act 1, it'd be a real stretch to assume no one else on Earth played it (I also think it would be a stretch to assume only our kids made it into the Medium but that's just me) (my fanfictions)
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Nov 25, 2011 09:43
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On the other hand, only the trolls we know and love played sgrub, and only the ancestor-kids are going to play sburb on this Earth. It seems that the B1 universe game was unusual because it was played by more people. It could be that whoever made the game couldn't find another way to get it exclusively to our heroes or because Hussie hadn't figured out the plot quite this far along at the time. I can only assume that in every universe someone needs to make the game based on the symbols in the ancient ruins that come from the incipisphere. I assume the batter-witch made the game for the kids.
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I always interpreted SBURB to be just a game to every other person who played it aside from the four kids. So it was no different to them that it booted up on their computers, but when it activated on the kid's computers they started the process that we've been following. But I don't remember way back when Rose was making a gamefaqs faq about the game if there was any other things. It's been a while since I read that and I rushed through much of the storyline.
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Talorat posted:We've never seen what happens when someone fails to pre-entry prototype however, so for all we know its actually the key to not creating an unwinnable session. Granted it's not exactly a long shot to guess that everything Rose told John about prototyping she learned from Doc Scratch (so he could tell her about the Tumor), but while Scratch obviously misdirected about the Tumor, he has no reason to do so regarding what would happen in a normal session. e: Here we go. TT: Failing to prototype the kernel is the absolute worst thing that you could possibly do. TT: Like, ever. EB: oh no! TT: We would come into possession of all the disasters. TT: Exhaustive possession. Monopolization, in fact. EB: why is it so bad? TT: Because the battlefield will not be able to heal, and then transform. TT: It will not reach the stage which allows it to become ready to receive our universe. EB: but... EB: i thought you said it wasn't going to be able to make a universe anyway? EB: wasn't it barren or something? TT: Yes. EB: so why is it important? TT: Because if it does not reach this stage, we will not be able to recover the treasure hidden in its core. quote:I'm still of the opinion that even if Lord English were to be extricated like the evil growth he is from the whole Sburb process, the 'need' for the game to destroy the homeworld and species of each session's champions makes it a sort of antagonist, maybe even evil depending on what manner of intelligence is behind the whole thing. Given that the Act 7 symbol here is white, and the colours seem to be associated with the universes where the act takes place, I'd guess that End of Act 6/Start of Act 7 is entering the new universe, and that the Act 7 epilogue will be rebuilding Earth. Paul.Power fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Nov 25, 2011 |
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Nov 25, 2011 09:59
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Oh ok that log answers my question perfectly. Had completely forgotten about it, really.
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I don't like that nanna has her own dang book she signed i don't like that at all. Because if they're not preparing the gods arrival that means the gods already arrived. and did john from universe B1 land in universe B2, grow up to do vaudeville and then die a just death? To get stuffed? or are they around and hiding and ignoring their dopplegangers while slipping relics in, like making the SB&HJ movie? I was a lot more mentally prepared for what comes next before that book.
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That probably is not what it means. What some of us think it probably means (check the last couple pages for more talk on the subject) is that it's more evidence in favour of the idea that the kids/guardians arrived on literally the same meteors from the B1 veil as before, carrying the same items, just at different times and in different circumstances because it's a different timeline. So if that's true, then this is not B1 John; it's B2 John, who arrived with the book Nannasprite signed in the B1 session because that's what was with him on the meteor. This time he grew old with the book on Earth.
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Hamiltonian Bicycle posted:That probably is not what it means. Exactly this. I was about to say 'it isn't that hard', but... okay, in retrospect this is pretty confusing.
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ok if that's the case then why did A2 karkat have to do any ectobiology at all given that A1 sufferer should have handled it and it would have been all tied up, A1's grubs go through the portals to both seed A1 and A2 with literally the same trolls?
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Because the whole problem of the A1 trolls was, explicitly, that they weren't made ectobiologically during their session. A possible explanation is that they were in fact the same grubs Karkat made during the A2 session, sent back to both A1 and A2.
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I went back two pages to read very confusing posts about A1 not having spawned in that universe and having the glitch and the misfortune. I forgot this and was thinking of karkat's virus that blew up his computer and gave him all the misfortune. I'm really confused by this reshuffling of what I assumed I knew but I guess it makes more sense now except how you're going to have a sub universe spawn the original universe I get B1->B2 but A1(can't exist yet)->A2(double can't exist yet) seems like way more than a double mobius reach-around
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Krinkle posted:ok if that's the case then why did A2 karkat have to do any ectobiology at all given that A1 sufferer should have handled it and it would have been all tied up, A1's grubs go through the portals to both seed A1 and A2 with literally the same trolls? How and why the change-up between 1 and 2 works in-story is another question. Out of story, the reasons would be a) John and Karkat are the primary protagonists so they get to do the ectobiology and b) Hussie likes to mix things up. Paul.Power fucked around with this message at 12:56 on Nov 25, 2011 |
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Now this may sound crazy, but there is the distinct possibility that all the A1 trolls were born through standard means of reproduction. Nutty, I know.
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Unlikely.quote:As was true of the bellicose world we know, there came to be twelve heroes on this peaceful planet. These heroes too had twelve ancestors whose fortunes were entwined with theirs. These twenty-four figures of legend were not of this world but sent from the sky, delivered from a reality not yet conceived.
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Hamiltonian Bicycle posted:Delivered from a reality not yet conceived. Oh. I guess this is where the whole bifurcating meteor idea came from in the first place. Evidence just keeps on racking up.
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Krinkle posted:except how you're going to have a sub universe spawn the original universe I get B1->B2 but A1(can't exist yet)->A2(double can't exist yet) seems like way more than a double mobius reach-around You're just not thinking forth dimensionally! If the kids meteors from the B1 session can reach the B2 session, and the rabbit toy that Jake makes in B2 can reach B1, I see no reason that the Trolls in A2 cannot spawn the trolls in A1. It's already been stated a few times that other universes' timelines exist independently of each other, like with the Trolls contacting the kids at any time they want to, and the kids being able to contact the Trolls besides the fact that when the kids are alive their universe is already billions of years old and its still only like a month old when the Trolls are around. With all the time travel and such going on, a cause can also easily follow an effect
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MSPaint Adventures 2012 - You suddenly understand jack poo poo. We really need some updates, I was pretty sure I understood
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There is nothing in the last few pages that wasn't said thirty pages ago. All the evidence was here by the Act 6 page, and it is significantly easier to understand than some of the bigger twists. The comets were copied and rerouted to different times so that the players and their ancestors lived mirrored and different lives.
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Basically, look at it this way: All the stuff that was in the X1 session appeared again in the X2 session. You can think of it as the universe living out its timeline again from the start but with a few differences. The contents of the universe during the reset don't actually matter (so the fact that the kids weren't in the session when it was reset doesn't imply that a different version of them won't be there after the scratch.) I'm clarifying this as it was a point of contention earlier. The one main difference is where/when the meteors landed. It is a fact that in the post and pre-scratch sessions they came from Skaia. The fact that they were produced in only one session is irrelevant since they arrive in both iterations from the same source. The difference in where and when they landed is what results in the guardians switching places with the players. The other (potential) difference is that this shift leads to the creation of a Doc Scratch in the post-scratch session that shapes the growth of the universe and heralds the summoning of Lord English. Sorry if I'm doing a bad job explaining it. In essence, in both sessions there are meteors coming from Skaia and they come from the same place in both cases. The X1 and X2 sessions are both different sessions (as events play out differently) but they are also the same session (as they take place in the same universe - in fact, they ARE the same universe.) It isn't exactly that the meteors are bifurcating, since the sessions are the same. They're just playing out differently since they land differently in the new iteration.
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MrBims posted:There is nothing in the last few pages that wasn't said thirty pages ago. All the evidence was here by the Act 6 page, and it is significantly easier to understand than some of the bigger twists. The comets were copied and rerouted to different times so that the players and their ancestors lived mirrored and different lives. Yeah, but for some reason people still dont get it and I cant understand why they dont.
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I think it helps to imagine the universe like data in a computer. All the information of events in the entire universe is stored and when it's reset all that information still exists. The meteor order just gets shuffled around. That's why the meteors only have one origin - they're coming from outside the universe.
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On a completely different subject - I'm ordering myself a Time godhood as a christmas present, and I'm wondering what size to get. My medium Breath godhood was enormous but I don't know how big the smalls are in relation to the mediums. Does anyone here have a small?
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Okay, I think I figured out a good way to explain it. You know how when Dave was going through Terezi's God Tier scheme, he made a choice and generated an offshoot universe based on that choice? When that choice happened, Beta Dave was spawned with an entire Beta Session with an attached Beta Universe. These just started existing, whole and contained, somewhere in Paradox Space, but still linked to the Alpha session at a point in time, when Dave made the choice. These two universes were different and distinct, but they were in large part identical. And countless similar universes were splitting off all the time, but our attention was drawn to only a few, those that specifically impacted the universe involving the story we were being told. But we have found out, that the universe we were following wasn't the final universe of interest. The scratch spawned a "new" universe, whole and contained, but still linked to the "old" version. And it's the same universe, just with multiple versions of it. So when babies on meteors are sent into "that universe", they get filtered through the same universe filtering method, and they're sent to all of the possible iterations of that universe. We're just seeing the important ones, the ones which Paradox Space/Lord English don't quash and on which the narrative focuses. Or, put another way: Imagine four balls on the edge of a cliff...
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OK the ads on this site are getting really meta now.
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Nov 25, 2011 23:55
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When Scholastic takes out an ad for Detective Pony, featuring the Detective Pony screenshot of Homestuck, then we'll know that the singularity will have come.
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:OK the ads on this site are getting really meta now. Time travel! Gunplay! ...third thing!
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neigh.
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Sometimes I really do love the community http://tindeck.com/listen/sftd
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:OK the ads on this site are getting really meta now.
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100 HOGS AGREE posted:I miss those ads for that book that one guy was selling. What was it called? Veins. I think that it was written by M R CRACKER, as well. "Become a raper!"
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...Well, this is new. How could his dreamself die before the game even starts? Suppose we'll find out later. Probably something Lord English related.
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Maybe that's what happened to Aradia? Are we going to see GHOSTJAKE???
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Cleretic posted:...Well, this is new. How could his dreamself die before the game even starts? I think it might be a hint of a callback. Maybe his body will be put in the core of the planet, not unlike Aradia's was. Mr. Lobe fucked around with this message at 13:58 on Nov 26, 2011 |
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Perhaps he was assassinated in his sleep by some agents of Derse? Jack Noir ruining stuff for us once again?
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Well okay, hes quite obviously the Page of Hope.
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Hmm, I wonder how his dreamself died? There's not a drop of blood on his body. That's very curious.
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