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I think what Fagtastic was trying to say is that grist, boondollars, and the various gaming abstractions were meant to set the scene at an earlier part of the story. The story was still gaining momentum and we were still being introduced to the actual plot, so these jokes and gaming stuff gave us something to focus on for a while. As the plot becomes more important they recede into the background - they're still 'important' in the sense that the players are using them, but they're not 'important' in the sense that they're a limiter on the plot or the characters. They made all the grist and boondollars they'd ever need, in part just so that those elements could be quasi-written out. They were really only played straight with John, anyway, who's on the typical hero's journey by the rules as it is. When we followed the trolls we hardly even touched on the basic game mechanics, except to add flavour and background to scenes. At this late stage in the story it's a background detail that's assumed that they'll have whatever game-mechanic resources they need for a game purpose on hand, unless the plot says otherwise. We'll probably see elements of these things return with the reset kid guardians, but I wouldn't expect them to be nearly as important, closely tracked, or focused on as when John first encountered them. We'll probably skip over their futzing about with game stuff material quite a lot, or they'll find some shortcut through it all early on. The one game element that seems particularly important (which seemed like a background detail when they were first introduced) are the titles, since they seem to grant special powers and hold some secret meaning about the characters' development and plot purpose. God-tiers, too, since they're portrayed as the end point of the great arcing journey of the games' players and as such have a certain story weight.
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President Ark posted:Everything in Homestuck is irrelevant until, suddenly and without warning, it isn't. This ought to be the thread title. In any case, the supposed God-Tier levels are not something to get worked up over, since if they get mentioned later then we'll know they do exist, and if they don't then they're not important. And if they do get mentioned they'll probably be just a plot-irrelevant joke until the time they suddenly aren't. Same with Boondollars, fraymotifs, and grist (if grist hasn't already).
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The thing I'm wondering about is not god tier levels but angels. The same angels that gave Eridan his powers, and which "paradox space uses to usher in the end". It feels like the post-scratch session would be a sensible point to elaborate on them, especially since Jake's domain is the same as Eridan's.
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pumpinglemma posted:The thing I'm wondering about is not god tier levels but angels. The same angels that gave Eridan his powers, and which "paradox space uses to usher in the end". It feels like the post-scratch session would be a sensible point to elaborate on them, especially since Jake's domain is the same as Eridan's. GT: Well uh... GT: There are just so drat many of them janey and theyre not getting any less bloody pissed is the thing!
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Nov 27, 2011 03:20
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pumpinglemma posted:The thing I'm wondering about is not god tier levels but angels. The same angels that gave Eridan his powers, and which "paradox space uses to usher in the end". It feels like the post-scratch session would be a sensible point to elaborate on them, especially since Jake's domain is the same as Eridan's. There are some vague implications but don't you think we're jumping the gun a little here?
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Nov 27, 2011 03:23
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Captain Oblivious posted:There are some vague implications but don't you think we're jumping the gun a little here? Eridan was the Prince of Hope, Jake is strongly implied to be the Page of Hope. Certainly more than "vague implications".
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Nov 27, 2011 03:26
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Ammat The Ankh posted:Eridan was the Prince of Hope, Jake is strongly implied to be the Page of Hope. Certainly more than "vague implications".
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Nov 27, 2011 03:37
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Plom Bar posted:My reading comprehension's clearly not the best, but I missed where his domain is Hope. I got Page, but I missed Hope. There is a good SKULL at the heart of any mystery, haunting its EVERY PAGE. That is what you always say. Or at least, it is what you always HOPE.
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Nov 27, 2011 03:39
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Plom Bar posted:My reading comprehension's clearly not the best, but I missed where his domain is Hope. I got Page, but I missed Hope. GG: "Our hope is lost."
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MrBims posted:There is a good SKULL at the heart of any mystery, haunting its EVERY PAGE. That is what you always say. Or at least, it is what you always HOPE. Also: GG: "The Page is dead." GG: "Our hope is lost." e: god damnit
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Similarly, it's a safe bet that Jane will be the maid of life:quote:When it does, you will waste no time in embarking on the game's MAIDEN VOYAGE, and if even a fraction of what you've heard turns out to be true, you are prepared to have the time of your LIFE!!!
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Nov 27, 2011 03:53
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Oh hey Jake lives in a pumpkin patch.
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Nov 27, 2011 03:55
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Space Hamlet posted:Similarly, it's a safe bet that Jane will be the maid of life:
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QueerPope posted:Oh hey Jake lives in a pumpkin patch. A what patch? Also, I hope I'm not the only one who accompanied this with the 2001 theme.
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Plom Bar posted:Wasn't the popular theory not too long ago that the new titles would fill in the gaps left by the dead trolls? (Thief, Rogue, Page and Prince of Heart, Hope, Life and Void) I hope Bro's Shades become a player too, so we can have Doom. Everybody forgets Sollux!
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Plom Bar posted:Wasn't the popular theory not too long ago that the new titles would fill in the gaps left by the dead trolls? (Thief, Rogue, Page and Prince of Heart, Hope, Life and Void) I'm banking on Lalonde and Strider being heart and void, yea, but I dunno about the thief, rogue, page and prince. If you ask me it's blatant at this point that Jane will be a maid, given the pattern confirmed by Jake's intro edit: I forsee UU as a doom player also, my guess is that the remaining trolls will be her co-players. It fits nicely given that the only roles with living reduncancies (if Sollux dies) will be Time and Space
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YggiDee posted:I hope Bro's Shades become a player too, so we can have Doom. That's because some of us are in denial about him being dead!
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YggiDee posted:I hope Bro's Shades become a player too, so we can have Doom. What I'm saying here is that we don't know for sure that Sollux is dead.
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Nov 27, 2011 04:14
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Holy poo poo Jake, buy a weedwhacker or something.
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I just peeked at the wiki. When did we decide that KidMom was the hero of Void? This fandom moves too fast for me 
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Plom Bar posted:I just peeked at the wiki. When did we decide that KidMom was the hero of Void? Probably UU mentioning seeing dark spots relating to Mom, similar to Equius.
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Sollux is such a weird character. He pretty much sticks to his own set of rules, and will probably he half-alive, half-dead for the rest of the comic. Doom is a weird power to have.
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Nov 27, 2011 04:23
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Oh. So that's where all the pumpkins went.
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Nov 27, 2011 04:23
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Interesting how his tower room appears to have broken off from the main structure and rooted itself into the ground long ago. Also that is one loving cool place to live, wow.
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Nov 27, 2011 04:25
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It looks kinda like an upside-down pistol barrel.
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Plom Bar posted:I just peeked at the wiki. When did we decide that KidMom was the hero of Void? The wiki is basically like one of the threads on the mspa forums, because they love to edit in new information. But because it's a wiki there's not much room for discussion like in the threads, and we get misled all the time, it ends up having a lot of info that's just flat out not true that's left in there for weeks sometimes before someone notices and removes/updates it. It's fine for all of the in joke stuff like pumpkins or the weapons from Problem Sleuth though, or the article on troll romance. I'm not sure which updates faster with stuff that's just happened, the mspa wiki or tvtropes.
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Ammat The Ankh posted:Oh. So that's where all the pumpkins went. What pumpkins?
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So in B1-Jade's adventure, her room blew up when her bot exploded. In universe B2, did everything but Jake's room blow up when B2-Jade died?
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My feeling is that the Harley house is still mostly in place, just completely buried in the mound of vines and such.
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Nov 27, 2011 05:39
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Prison Warden posted:What pumpkins? Quite possibly every one since Jailbreak.
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Nov 27, 2011 06:23
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I wish pumpkins were actually an invasive species. They'd be the most delicious invasion ever.
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Is that a giant Crabdad in the background!?
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Nov 27, 2011 06:43
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Holy poo poo that's loving terrifying.
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Prison Warden posted:What pumpkins? THESE loving pumpkins! Bluemidget posted:oh god jake look behind you poo poo I didn't see that at first. Crabdad? Crabgrandad? Gnome de plume fucked around with this message at 06:54 on Nov 27, 2011 |
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It's just some of the FAUNA. Pay it no mind.
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I didn't notice Crabdad in the background before you guys pointed it out. He's gotten... big.
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What the hell are you guys talking about? I can't see anything in the backgrOH DEAR GOD.
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But Crabdad is a nice guy everybody, everything will be fine. So was it Jake who was appearifying the pumpkins from Jade's island way back when? I know that WV did too, but it seems like Jake can appearify things from the last 'verse.
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