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Pleasant Friend posted:I just think its so silly when people take Hussie's forumspring answers as a good indication of what's going to happen. Yes, clearly when Andrew answered that question with "who gives a gently caress" he was cleverly foreshadowing that someone would, in fact, give a gently caress. And it turned out to be true, because here you are handing out fucks left and right! Well played, Hussie.
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Pleasant Friend posted:Bro!!! Or Brobot anyway, I can't wait for his introduction. My current bet is Brobot will be Jake's prototyping after its had it’s heart ripped out of it. That'll be close enough to being dead right? Gamzee isn't getting comeuppance. He is a joke character, he has no story arc. He is a tool to make things happen for other characters to react to, nothing more. Deal with it!!!!!!!!
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'comeuppance' is a silly word which is associated with the feeling of audience revenge, a bad thing to run a story on, although there is actually a more reasonable question that's getting lost there. Namely, "why are the other trolls okay with his murder spree?" There's lots of possible answers (troll culture means even Karkat accepts it as a part of his personality, and their conception of justice is actually alien to us/the remaining trolls don't think they could take him in a fight so this is a path of least resistance/everyone's just so worn out and PTSD'd that at this point they want to just get on with things and so long as Gamzee's not killing them any more they'll accept it/etc). Hussie isn't really interested in exploring which one it is, though, so we're left to fill it in ourselves, and other readers are probably not going to be particularly generous if you don't get that it's something that can be resolved in the background. His answer that it's a joke is more a matter that it isn't going to get screen time than it is a suggestion that the whole cast are a bunch of cutouts who forget things as soon as the authour stops showing them.
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Gamzee was lost but now he is found. He found Jegus and is on the path of troll redemption by finally coming to terms with his psychopathy via the diamondic relationship he has with his lord and savior slash bro, Karkat. Whether Gamzee feels regret for what he's done, whooo knoooows. Probably. But so did Vriska about the poo poo she did. Turns out, kids coming out of a culture that emphasizes psychopathy who are genetically very much prone to being psychos can be quite capable of murder! It's done and over with, though. And nothing says they'll never end up coming back from their dream bubbles anyway.
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Correct me if I'm being completely retarded and can't flip it turn-ways, but does this mean the original four kids' session is over? The universes have been destroyed, John is stuffed, and we haven't seen any signs of Rose, Jade or Dave. Can something the new kids do influence the past, or are we in "whatever happened, happened"-land?
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Cracky posted:Correct me if I'm being completely retarded and can't flip it turn-ways, but does this mean the original four kids' session is over? The universes have been destroyed, John is stuffed, and we haven't seen any signs of Rose, Jade or Dave. There is a very strong implication that the kids are doing to show up on the Prospitian ship that Jade comandeered in the EoA flash. They haven't shown up yet because pacing.
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Cracky posted:Correct me if I'm being completely retarded and can't flip it turn-ways, but does this mean the original four kids' session is over? The universes have been destroyed, John is stuffed, and we haven't seen any signs of Rose, Jade or Dave. Here is what I thought: John and Jade: Somewhere in this Universe. Dave and Rose: Next to the Green Sun in paradox space. The remaining trolls: Somewhere in paradox space, heading towards the new session.
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Cracky posted:Correct me if I'm being completely retarded and can't flip it turn-ways, but does this mean the original four kids' session is over? The universes have been destroyed, John is stuffed, and we haven't seen any signs of Rose, Jade or Dave. The universe ended and their session was reset. Fortunately they all got the gently caress out of there beforehand. Presumably, once the new kids start their session, the old kids will bust in Kool-Aid Man style.
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Scope the case out of which Brobot emerged. It's the same as Jade's Dreambot. Bro is asleep in the shower and is now Brobot. About to get his... "tender proceeding" on. We're gonna find out exactly what makes Jake uncomfortable. Ironically. But not really. Jake be messing with everybody's shipping grid. I'm kidding, of course, now is the perfect time to cut away to kidMom.
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MrBims posted:Uh, no, sorry, Gamzee isn't going to get any 'comeuppance.' If he dies, it will be for reasons unrelated to what happened. Hussie isn't lying or kidding when he says there is a difference between a character arc and a series of jokes. gamzeechat.
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Zorak posted:Gamzee was lost but now he is found. He found Jegus and is on the path of troll redemption by finally coming to terms with his psychopathy via the diamondic relationship he has with his lord and savior slash bro, Karkat. No. Let them stay dead. I may like some of the characters that died, but there is no way in hell that them coming back to life wouldn't ruin the entire Act 5 Part 2 we had to slog through. Yeah Man fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Nov 30, 2011 |
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MidnightSun posted:I somehow doubt this. If there was an epicenter for the blue universe's explosion, it was Snowman. Scratch's joint was protected because of his role as an excellent host to LE, but I think we can say with tentative certainty that our friend Slick has kicked the bucket (which is probably a lewd sexual phrase in troll culture). kicking the bucket is some troll jerry louis level slapstick, it means spilling your genetic material and making a mess and oh no there's a knock at the door nice DRONey why you wanna hurt a fella sorry I got some on you nyaaang
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Yeah Man posted:No. Let them stay dead. I may some of the characters that died, but there is no way in hell that them coming back to life wouldn't ruin the entire Act 5 Part 2 we had to slog through. How so?
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John, Jade, Dave, and Rose can't travel to this universe yet because out in paradox space their only real point of reference is Sburb sessions (Well it may be different for John and Jade I guess). So when Jane and company start playing, that session will start up and they can then go enter there. Or maybe they are already there just sort of shooting the breeze around Prospit or whatever waiting for folks to show up. The only way they would physically be present on Earth would be if they went through some of Skaia's portals during the reckoning, which would invite a whole slew of other problems. I suspect we won't see any of the other characters directly until after all four kids have been introduced and at least one has entered the game, maybe when all four enter the game even.
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Hanks Lust Cafe posted:How so? Because then we basically sat through trolls acting crazy and killing each other for nothing.
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Update. This only cements young Bro as the best of the Alpha kids.
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King of Solomon posted:Oh no, Poppop. Your head. Well, hey, this makes it perfect prototype size material.
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Yeah Man posted:No. Let them stay dead. I may some of the characters that died, but there is no way in hell that them coming back to life wouldn't ruin the entire Act 5 Part 2 we had to slog through. This guy gets it.
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JT Jag posted:So it's a bro-bunny? A... brunny? Or a...brony
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Nilbop posted:This guy gets it. Eh. All the kids and several of the trolls dying and coming back to life at times served narrative purposes when it was appropriate. Making act 5 part 2 have weight is a good narrative purpose for keeping them dead, I wouldn't be against them coming back to life for some more worthwhile purpose that helped complete arcs or otherwise makes sense in the future we can't yet see. If Hussie goes for an extra-happy ending, for example, he might have all the players come out of it alive and better people for it. Or if a 'final battle' requires the cooperation of everyone, maybe, in an effort to make absolutely everything seem meaningful. I don't pretend to be as good a writer as Hussie but I assume there might be valid reasons for bringing the dead back that surpass the narrative value of the finality of their deaths. Besides, I think if anything's held true about Homestuck, it's that Hussie's not afraid to take something that seemed clear cut and meaningful in a certain way at the time and turn it on its head later. Don't ever bank on something having to go a certain way or following a certain logic to be meaningful, he'll surprise you. It could turn out everything we've seen so far was just the prequel for Nepetaquest 2012 and I'd still probably assume he knew what he was doing. Edit: figured I might want to provide a quick example. I was sure back near the start of the story that the Guardians as we knew them were story critical, and simply couldn't die without big and clear-cut character development scenes for the main kids. Then they all ended up being dead and I was left confused about what the meaning had been. Now we're seeing a weird mirror universe where the guardians are back and their relations to the kids are relevant again - something I'd never have predicted when I previously thought they couldn't die without tying up issues related to them. So basically, never say never. Dolash fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Nov 30, 2011 |
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Color Printer posted:Well, hey, this makes it perfect prototype size material.
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Hoping the litte radically awesome robbit will mind its manners today, seconds after it cut the head off the beloved corpse in which it was hiding for whatever reason. I think that horse has long left the building, Jane. (I'd be fascinated to see what would be serious mischief by this guy's standards.)
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Dolash posted:Eh. All the kids and several of the trolls dying and coming back to life at times served narrative purposes when it was appropriate. Making act 5 part 2 have weight is a good narrative purpose for keeping them dead, I wouldn't be against them coming back to life for some more worthwhile purpose that helped complete arcs or otherwise makes sense in the future we can't yet see. If this happens, I will know who to blame. You have been warned.
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snucks posted:poppop head and brobot get prototyped, MODOK is the new villian for the rest of the series Yes, a Mental Organism Designed Only for Kismesis.
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Oxxidation posted:Or a...brony Don't even joke about that poo poo man. You've opened pundora's box here, dude.
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It's not really a big deal, no need to go into hysterics about it. Also, Bro Strider why you gotta build things in your own image? Is it to show up new Dave???
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Paracelsus posted:I'm pretty sure that Vriska will be coming back, or at least doing something, because there needs to be some resolution to that thread with her and beta John in the dream bubble and the information about the denizens. So the Choice that was offered was John and all his friends continuing on in a non-doomed timeline, likely completely failing the quest, or the Denizen killing John on the spot, which would lead to Dave grinding levels and then going back in time and creating a new Alpha Timeline, which gives everyone a better chance of surviving. It's a choice fairly similar to the one Echidna offered the pre-scratch Trolls. That said it probably has to be wrapped up so we can know this for sure.
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Most important things first. gently caress. Yes. Brobunny.MrBims posted:Uh, no, sorry, Gamzee isn't going to get any 'comeuppance.' If he dies, it will be for reasons unrelated to what happened. Hussie isn't lying or kidding when he says there is a difference between a character arc and a series of jokes. What a stupid thing to say. You don't know what's going to happen in the future of the comic, unless you're secretly Hussie. (Are you???) Sure, when Gamzee dies it may just be some incidental thing; maybe he's hit by a meteor or whatever. The point I made was that Hussie's answer on Tumblr specifically didn't rule out Gamzee getting his narrative justice on. So yeah, Hussie isn't lying, he's a lawyer level wordsmith who knows how to manipulate his audience. You can pick apart his answer, and you'll find there is no commitment to Gamzee being saved. That's deliberate. These type of open-end answers lets him choose if he's kidding, or misdirecting you. Gabriel Pope posted:Yes, clearly when Andrew answered that question with "who gives a gently caress" he was cleverly foreshadowing that someone would, in fact, give a gently caress. And it turned out to be true, because here you are handing out fucks left and right! Well played, Hussie. I put that post through google translate and it came back "~U mad~". Listen, as with every issue in the story, I don't personally care about the event in it, I care about guessing right, that's all I'm interested in. It's like a game, I call it plot twister, I'm Vriska and Hussie's Doc Scratch, he always wins but I get close sometimes. Captain Oblivious posted:Gamzee isn't getting comeuppance. He is a joke character, he has no story arc. He is a tool to make things happen for other characters to react to, nothing more. The premise of this argument relies on the idea that minor characters are somehow exempt from scrutiny or plot progression. This fantastically absurd statement is really too obvious to properly rebuke. Lets just say... think of 100 other minor characters that had something happen to them in their story. Deal with it? (Whatever ever it is that so aggrieved you about the notion Gamzee wasn't done with the story I mean.)
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Space Hamlet posted:right that's just the thing it would be kinda weird for the other characters to all suddenly stop givin' a poo poo that he killed people and there aint no reason to believe that those events will just go forgotten by everyone, surely there will be some arc developed further there even if it's not gamzee's character arc per se How do you figure? With their numbers down to the single-digits, the trolls can't exactly be very choosy about the company they keep. Gamzee's murderous rage has been calmed. He's not like Vriska, whose ambition and hubris posed a direct threat to the team, or Eridan, who deliberately betrayed the team in an act of cowardice. He went bonkers. Karkat calmed him down by Shooshing the Pap and Being the Hero. If anything, Gamzee faces comeuppance for Raging Cal and Jack into existence, not for killing Equius and Nepeta.
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