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Fantasy Tripe posted:This has me entirely too excited for the possibility that the Jake removing the RoBro's uranium scene will be another call back to Hussie's Saw parody comics. I'm actually a little disappointed that we already got a verbal callback to Aradia's flip-out scene (just before the infamous robosmooch), because another visual callback to that would be wonderful.
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Yeah, Gamzee didn't go crazy, he went troll. He got off the slime and became sober, which revealed him to be exactly the sort of troll Vriska was trying to emulate - bloodthirsty, violent, dominant and cruel. He himself talks about being perfectly sane, just currently very very angry about Dave / ICP which he takes out in typical troll fashion. Karkat calms him down with shooshpaps. He got angry and killed some people, that's barely a social faux pas in troll society, let alone a sign of insanity.
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Nov 30, 2011 11:24
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standard owl posted:The other trolls were also ready to romance the hell out of Gamzee (Kanaya as auspistice, Terezi as kismesis, and Sollux switching between red and black), so it's not really that they do or don't give shits about his murderspree. The poo poo is more like Gamzee is...currently really attractive to them or something? Trolls are just weird. Gamzee is a murdering crazy psychopath... which is exactly what he is expected to be as a highblood. I remember Vriska say by Troll standards that she was extremely lenient by not killing Tavros before she did. Sure, the new Trolls have weird human friend feelings that make them feel bad that some people they like are dead, but by Troll standards Gamzee is way above all the remaining Trolls and socially has the right to brutally murder them if he should so choose. I think it's more like being upset that your friend got hit by a car than that they were murdered. I think he is attractive to them because he is drat GOOD at killin' fools, a valued Troll skill.
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Nov 30, 2011 12:34
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standard owl posted:The other trolls were also ready to romance the hell out of Gamzee (Kanaya as auspistice, Terezi as kismesis, and Sollux switching between red and black), so it's not really that they do or don't give shits about his murderspree. The poo poo is more like Gamzee is...currently really attractive to them or something? Trolls are just weird. I think that was more them questioning what he and Karkat were supposed to be. At least, it'd be odd that Sollux wanted a new matesprite while wearing the goggles of his dead girlfriend, that's cold.
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Nov 30, 2011 12:56
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Assuming it isn't explained further, my guess was that Karkat saw Gamzee's murders as his fault for not taking charge and moirailing him sooner, so he doesn't really blame him as much as he blames himself. The other trolls are just sort of uneasily glad the situation is resolved and with things as hosed as they are have settled for "Well he's probably not going to kill us and Karkat has him under control, at least this way the crazy killer clown's an asset." Basically, they're probably not happy about it per se, but we don't have to go straight to "aliens love it when they get murdered". Humans in the same position might've drawn the same conclusions.
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Nov 30, 2011 15:08
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Renaissance Robot posted:I'm actually a little disappointed that we already got a verbal callback to Aradia's flip-out scene (just before the infamous robosmooch), because another visual callback to that would be wonderful. It was a verbal callback to this chat. Aradia's flip out was a visual callback to that chat. I hope we get a callback to this panel and the ones leading up to it. And then Hussie takes a week long break before the next update or switches to kidMom's introduction. We'd pretty much need to shut down the internet.
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Nov 30, 2011 15:28
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creationist believer posted:It was a verbal callback to this chat. Aradia's flip out was a visual callback to that chat. I think the only thing that could lead to that is Jake flipping his poo poo on Brobot.. And the Robosmooch... 
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Nov 30, 2011 16:18
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Nov 30, 2011 16:39
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Seoinin posted:Given how much stick Vriska got from other trolls for being a murderous backstabber, it'd be really weird if everyone was cool with Gamzee now. I mean, Christ, at least she never went around redecorating the joint in a Silent Hill body parts motif. Yeah, but most of that was just sort of casual ribbing. Plus, she didn't have a moirail to shoosh her into complacency. This isn't just about how trolls are naturally bloodthirsty, it's about their whole weird romantic system. Remember back in Hivebent when people were all "hey why is Andrew typing all these words for things that are essentially human concepts how is this moirail thing supposed to be different from platonic friendship?" This is how. In human terms, it would be unthinkable that a murderer could just hug it out with his best bro and everything would be okay again. For trolls this is not merely acceptable, it is a deep-seated part of their psychology that is every bit as fundamental a drive as our need for romance (and sex.) Think of our inferior human romantic comedies, for example. People are generally expected to accept all kinds of preposterous resolutions because ~true love~. Same thing here. Right now Kanaya is probably rolling her eyes at Karkat because he's re-enacting the cheesy ending to like five thousand different troll pale romcoms.
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Nov 30, 2011 16:57
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Gabriel Pope posted:Plus, she didn't have a moirail to shoosh her into complacency. Wasn't Kanaya her moirail? I remember that she was when the game was about to start, and I don't recall them actually breaking up.
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Nov 30, 2011 17:47
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Paracelsus posted:Wasn't Kanaya her moirail? I remember that she was when the game was about to start, and I don't recall them actually breaking up. Didn't they break up when she caught Vriska forcing Tavros to kiss her? http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004288 And Kanaya was her Auspistice. http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004297 Troll relationships are weird.
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Nov 30, 2011 18:02
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http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004303 Yeah, looking at this page. She tried being Vriska's auspice, then Vriska wanted her for morail while Kanaya wanted her as matesprite. Then they broke up because that didn't work. Then Kanaya cockblocked Eridan?
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Nov 30, 2011 18:07
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sansuki posted:Didn't they break up when she caught Vriska forcing Tavros to kiss her? http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004288 This page shows that Kanaya was Vriska's moirail, but acted as her auspistice whenever she needed one.
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Nov 30, 2011 18:07
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Paracelsus posted:Wasn't Kanaya her moirail? I remember that she was when the game was about to start, and I don't recall them actually breaking up. She was presumably faking it, though--she was never really interested in Vriska that way, she had a full-blown romantic (human-ish romantic) crush and was just playing the moirail's part because she couldn't find a way to get closer. It was also pretty heavily implied she got over it after she bawled her eyes out from seeing the fairy makeout incident. She had a heart to heart chat with Karkat where she pretty much announced she was done, and during the first big troll walkaround flash she was really not interested in anything Vriska had to say.
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Nov 30, 2011 18:07
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Paracelsus posted:Wasn't Kanaya her moirail? I remember that she was when the game was about to start, and I don't recall them actually breaking up.  for Tavros - because ultimately she wanted to be Vriska's matesprit rather than her moirail. You get a bit more on it if you talk to Kanaya as Vriska in [S] Past Karkat: Wake Up.Later on, Kanaya straight up punches Vriska before leaving her to her own devices because she's preoccupied with Rose's screen going dark (ironically just as Vriska starts having flushed feelings for her).
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Nov 30, 2011 18:18
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Paul.Power posted:Later on, Kanaya straight up punches Vriska before leaving her to her own devices because she's preoccupied with Rose's screen going dark (ironically just as Vriska starts having flushed feelings for her).
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Nov 30, 2011 18:20
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Seoinin posted:I think Hussie claimed that was just a Problem Sleuth reference and not actually something that was important. It was important because it was hilarious! Also because, as Andrew established in his last batch of answers, he is extremely concerned with matters of ~karmic justice~ and it was vitally important that Kanaya delivered her comeuppance (the whole later thing with the stabs and the clock and the dying was just an unrelated coincidence.)
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Nov 30, 2011 18:26
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here's a puzzler: when is hussie going to get his comeuppance for sandbagging on part 2 of the olive garden trip report
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Nov 30, 2011 18:31
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Seoinin posted:here's a puzzler: when is hussie going to get his comeuppance for sandbagging on part 2 of the olive garden trip report Time loops, man, nothing related to Homestuck works in linear time. His compeuppance for procrastinating on his Olive Garden report was having to go to Olive Garden in the first place.
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Nov 30, 2011 18:36
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So, a thought occurred to me while thinking about all the fan speculation regarding Bro's sexual orientation: Do yaoi shippers ever yaoi-ship characters who are ACTUALLY gay, or would that be too boring? Like, if it turns out Bro likes dudes, are all the Tumblr people gonna start shipping him with Jake, or would they immediately switch over to imagining the FORBIDDEN LOVE between him and Kanaya or whatever? Someone more familiar with fandoms than me, help me out here.
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Nov 30, 2011 18:40
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You're thinking about it too hard. People who like the thought of two dudes being romantically involved think about that, regardless of any sort of reality regarding preference. That is generally the long and short of it. Generally speaking, the actual reality of whatever is happening in the story has a tertiary importance at best with people who busy themselves with that.
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Nov 30, 2011 18:50
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That's a really good point, and the main source of my apprehension earlier. But shippers gonna ship, regardless of sexuality, so maybe I was a big dumb for worrying about that. It'd actually be kinda neat to have a gay male character, but dammit why did it have to be Bro? He's got all sorts of weird interests and perversions, and people are just going to misinterpret this as Hussie saying all gay people are messed up and being gay is messed up. Pretty sure that's not his angle here, but the inevitable conversation/debate/tumblr questions are gonna be annoying. Oh well. He might not be of course, but evidence is mounting! I'd be happy to have a gay character (trolls aren't really the same thing here) but it's all the meta-stuff I'm dreading.
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Nov 30, 2011 20:36
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The fandom is going to ship whoever they want, actual sexual orientation, canon relationship, and aversion to incest be damned. Bro being gay will probably have as much an impact on the shippers as John's declaration of "i am not a homosexual."
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Nov 30, 2011 20:58
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It's inevitable that a work that appeals to teens below 25 will attracts teenagers that will feel the need to bring in their confused and frustrated libido. Most shipping is porn, and with shipping comes drama. Who knows, maybe it's because most of it is written by teenage girls going through their first attachments to things they wrote.
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Nov 30, 2011 21:14
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Starmaker posted:That's a really good point, and the main source of my apprehension earlier. But shippers gonna ship, regardless of sexuality, so maybe I was a big dumb for worrying about that. You say that like there's any characters in Homestuck that don't have weird interests and perversions. You've got the guy who confuses his love for a movie star with his love for a stuffed rabbit, the guy who raps about albino hairless dickmonkeys, a literal furry, a guy in love with the blue chicks from Avatar, a mustachiophile, and that's just picking examples from the human kids. With this cast, it'd be offensive if the only gay male character was boring and normal. Bro is awesome and the subtle hints so far at his sexuality have been hilarious. I love the direction Hussie seems to be taking with this.
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Nov 30, 2011 22:11
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I'm still pretty sure Bro's gay signals are just another level of his waist-deep irony mind games. Dave does the ironic gay joke thing from time to time, but it's obvious. Bro's one level above him, though, so his gay joke can be confused for actual sincerity.
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Nov 30, 2011 22:49
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Dolash posted:I'm still pretty sure Bro's gay signals are just another level of his waist-deep irony mind games. Dave does the ironic gay joke thing from time to time, but it's obvious. Bro's one level above him, though, so his gay joke can be confused for actual sincerity. Like the puppet thing!
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Dolash posted:I'm still pretty sure Bro's gay signals are just another level of his waist-deep irony mind games. Dave does the ironic gay joke thing from time to time, but it's obvious. Bro's one level above him, though, so his gay joke can be confused for actual sincerity. I think that Bro's irony is only ironically ironic.
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But that's the thing - can you know for sure? I posit that you cannot, which is what makes Bro great. You just never know. In fact that he puts so much effort into striking this uncertain balance seems like the only evidence that his only motive is irony.
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Dolash posted:But that's the thing - can you know for sure? I posit that you cannot, which is what makes Bro great. You just never know. In fact that he puts so much effort into striking this uncertain balance seems like the only evidence that his only motive is irony. I posit that at the point whereupon irony and sincerity become functionally indistinguishable, the distinction is irrelevant 
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Dec 1, 2011 01:08
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Olive Garden part 2 will be a 15 minutes flash. Gotta give it some time.
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I hear a lot of people talking about hints that Bro is gay but personally I never got that impression. Is this conversation what started it? TT: Take it easy, bromide. TT: Just about the only way I could salvage endearment from this perilous slope of horseshit would be to discover, really loving soon mind you, it was a preamble to some floundering invitation for me to rush to your vicinity as nakedly as possible. TT: But since we've already shot that wad's eventuality on so many dry runs of flustered ambivalence that were as hilarious as they were one sided, TT: That leaves only one hope for this message to avoid spiraling toward qualification as a critical loving defect in the hull of the Mach 10 rocket that is my precious spare time. TT: And that hope lies in the extent to which you were practicing artful insincerity. He mentions one-sided invitations... but I thought he was joking that JAKE was one-sidedly inviting him, not the other way around. I guess it could be read either way, though. I guess there's also the bit about Brobot's novice wrestling feeling too intimate for Jake, but that could just be Jake being hypersensitive. OR NOT! I don't really care whether Bro is or isnt gay I just didn't get the same impression a lot of other readers seem to have.
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Gnome de plume posted:Olive Garden part 2 will be a 15 minutes flash. Gotta give it some time. It's gonna be a 2gb Interactive flash.
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Commutator posted:I hear a lot of people talking about hints that Bro is gay but personally I never got that impression. Is this conversation what started it? I first got the impression after that combined with Lalonde's "soooo naiev *naive" comment about Bro and her being perfect for each other. Then the brobot's apparent novice/cuddle setting and the complicated situation when it comes to talking with him about girl stuff. It's a sense of a hint that bro's gay in each conversation with/about him. It could be nothing, but the senses of hints are being put there by Hussie deliberately. I don't mind if it's kept ambiguously vague with occasional joke hints dropped because I find them really funny. I'd also find it really funny if brobot tried to kiss Jake in the next update so I'm probably just really easy to please :[ The latter would be a big laugh out loud punchline that's funny once versus the former being subtly hilarious every update.
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Dizz posted:It's gonna be a 2gb Interactive flash. 1.8gb devoted entirely to how many breadsticks were eaten amongst the party.
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Somebody asked if Bro was on Hussie's old, old formspring, and Hussie deadpanned some response to the effect of "who cares?" I hadn't considered it, because Bro was such a non-character, but I'm generally on the lookout for gay representation in good material, so I thought it over, and the only thing I could think of that would indicate this (at the time) was the functional version of Complete Bullshit (which wasn't developed by Hussie). The contents were mostly comics, videogames, and gay rights. Since that's basically what my browsing habits are, I assumed it was digging through my browser history or something, but it turns out it's not. Given that, and Hussie's response in the latest tumblr post quote:I remember a long time ago this question used to appear in my formspring box all the time, well before there was much reasonable evidence to suggest he was, as there seems to be now. But there is no smoking puppet yet confirming this. It seems to be very much in Hussie's style, either way.
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Update. 8 Pillars for the 8 player session.
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So it looks like Jake's house isn't buried in pumpkins due to the growth of the plant, but because his house collapsed into the jungle? Or maybe Jake's been dead all along.  e: Or I'm dumb and missed the fact that he's living in the ruins.
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I see Gamzee's lusus, Pyralspite, and a herd of Aurthours.
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Pastrymancy posted:and a herd of Aurthours. Is the Jurassic Park theme playing in anyone else's head right now e: also yes that forge looks hella lit.
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