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"Again I tell you, it is easier to mod a camel into the Aether than for the rich man to go through the eye of a needle." Matthew 19:24
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MrDude posted:
This is very simple and clever; I think I'll borrow it for my crafting cellars. It's far more aesthetically pleasing, and you could find what you need at a glance! CJacobs posted:People apparently don't know how to read the "I still plan to help out on the project" in between the "I am announcing that" and "although I'm still stepping down as head developer". I've been eagerly waiting the day that Notch leaves Minecraft and goes to It's pretty easy to tell that Notch only works on things as long as they remain "fun." You can see the evidence in the horrible bugs that remain while gimmicky new features get added. It's likely the reason why it took so long for him to release SMP (and the shoddy support that remained after it was released). It also explains his total failure to produce a modding API of any sort. Since Jeb was hired (after a grace period for him to familiarize himself with the project, of course), things got a lot more sane. Jeb has been committed to ensuring consistent behavior in SMP - something Notch often avoided, even though a huge proportion of the player base plays only SMP. Jeb is constantly working on squashing bugs - and not just the game-breaking ones. He is also far more willing to listen to community concerns, and seems to act as the voice of reason and compromise when the community's desires and Notch's "vision" don't line up. Given the track record of both Minecraft devs, I'd bet that Minecraft would move in a positive direction under only Jeb's care faster than it would under both Jeb's and Notch's, even if Jeb is given "final say."
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Dec 2, 2011 21:03
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CJacobs posted:People keep going "YES FINALLY I AM SO GLAD NOTCH QUIT HAHAHA" Most people probably haven't said that because they didn't want to poo poo up the thread with pointless game featu-- I mean.. whining.
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Dec 2, 2011 21:07
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Well honestly would you sit there and work on the boring poo poo if you were pulling in 150k+ a day not doing it? I'm sure I would put it off forever as well. This is why he really needed to hire a team, so he could tell someone they had to work on that stuff. It's really the only way it would ever get done.
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Dec 2, 2011 21:13
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Jelly posted:"A proper patch does good like a medicine; but a slew of bugs dries the bones." I read this and some of the other quotes in Leonard Nimoy's voice, a la Civilization 4. I hope we see major changes before the end of the year.
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Dec 2, 2011 21:16
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CJacobs posted:People keep going "YES FINALLY I AM SO GLAD NOTCH QUIT HAHAHA" Reading through the whole thread I don't think I saw a single person say anything to that effect. What I did see was the mention of Heir Notch's tweet about Jens taking over, and then the following posts eluded to "OH great he needed to HAND OVER development a long time ago." Not, OH my gosh LOL he QUIT!! Seriously, why even bring the clusterfuck that's notch vs. yogs into this foray? At any rate, yes everyone pretty has been saying Jens should take over since...Well since the first update he was a part of came out. One look at the work he did versus Notch's bumbling gave everyone the impression that Jens actually knows what he's doing. I for one am super glad Notch is coming to terms and letting someone else take over. I can give him credit for being man enough to step down on that front and let someone else take the torch. Now if he's manbaby like temperament get the better of him I'm sure we'll see him cry over how much love and attention Jens will get.
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Dec 2, 2011 21:38
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CJacobs posted:People keep going "YES FINALLY I AM SO GLAD NOTCH QUIT HAHAHA" Basically everything I've been seeing has been more "sweet, the guy who actually gets things done got a promotion" than "lol gently caress notch".
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Dec 2, 2011 21:46
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Rack posted:From Jeb's twitter, about an hour ago It's pretty hilarious that "Adding wool regrowth to sheep" is just coming now, when they killed infinite animal spawns a long time ago. You'd think the two would go hand-in-hand. IShallRiseAgain posted:Like perhaps a QA department, since the game is supposed to be no longer in beta and the general public shouldn't be responsible for the bug-testing. They should probably fix up the Billing Issues Department, which currently consists of an email account that Notch checks every few weeks when somebody makes a 1000-reply post on Reddit about how their payment went through but they didn't get an account. Vertigus fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Dec 2, 2011 |
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Dec 2, 2011 21:47
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Vertigus posted:It's pretty hilarious that "Adding wool regrowth to sheep" is just coming now, when they killed infinite animal spawns a long time ago. You'd think the two would go hand-in-hand. You see there's flawed thinking in this when Notch is involved. I'm sure if Jeb were in the position he is now when they nerfed infinite animal spawns it would have been "hand-in-hand."
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Dec 2, 2011 22:26
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They need to hire the guy who makes Optifine, and also integrate all of MC patcher features. Those should be high priority imo.
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Dec 2, 2011 22:34
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Taffer posted:They need to hire the guy who makes Optifine, and also integrate all of MC patcher features. Those should be high priority imo. IIRC, they did approach the guy who made Optifine, but he wanted too much for it.
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Dec 2, 2011 22:39
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Taffer posted:They need to hire the guy who makes Optifine, and also integrate all of MC patcher features. Those should be high priority imo. I think Notch wanted to integrate the Optifine code, but couldn't make a deal with the programmer (probably because the guy who coded it had the audacity to ask to actually get paid a fair price for all the work he did).
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Dec 2, 2011 22:40
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Taffer posted:They need to hire the guy who makes Optifine, and also integrate all of MC patcher features. Those should be high priority imo. A shame, really. I had said before that mods like Optifine just shouldn't exist because Notch could just crack it open and figure out what it's doing, then copy it. Of course, that isn't really ethical at all and I'm a bad person.  re: Grand High Coder Jeb; love this. Notch can work on a new game, maybe make something cool, and Jeb can hopefully flesh out the game. His work with the Nether so far has been really good and I'd like to see more of it - maybe even a little bit of work on The End. Of course, I suppose The End doesn't really need to facilitate anything other than the boss and the challenge it is meant to provide.. Mostly, I just want to see 100% Nether saves as viable and as diverse and as fun as Overworld saves.   edit: slow as hell
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Dec 2, 2011 22:42
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IShallRiseAgain posted:I think Notch wanted to integrate the Optifine code, but couldn't make a deal with the programmer (probably because the guy who coded it had the audacity to ask to actually get paid a fair price for all the work he did). And Minecraft 1.0.0 runs better than OptiFine ever did, so it isn't like they missed out on anything.
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Dec 2, 2011 22:43
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A Sassy Dog posted:Mostly, I just want to see 100% Nether saves as viable and as diverse and as fun as Overworld saves. I would probably do this already if it weren't for the the Ghast noises.
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Dec 2, 2011 22:43
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Taffer posted:They need to hire the guy who makes Optifine, and also integrate all of MC patcher features. Those should be high priority imo. They wanted to add Optifine but the guy asked way too much money for his mod. e;fb
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Dec 2, 2011 22:44
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Taffer posted:integrate all of MC patcher features You can already delete META-INF and put class files in minecraft.jar
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Dec 2, 2011 22:45
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Tardcore posted:They wanted to add Optifine but the guy asked way too much money for his mod. Out of curiosity, do we have a value for 'way too much money'? Cause as we've seen over the past week or so, Notch is one tight-fisted bastard. Guy could have been asking for $100 for all I know.
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Dec 2, 2011 22:51
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I would probably do this already if it weren't for the the Ghast noises. The Nether in general would be a much more viable living area if mob spawns could be controlled. A simgle ghast can do as much damage to the terrain as several creepers, which can leave your house floating in midair as the ground literally crumbles beneath it. It's also awkward when you learn a tribe of pigmen has made camp in your dining room. Something like a "nether torch" wouldn't be as useful as it would in the overworld, but maybe something like the thumper mod would work.
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Dec 2, 2011 23:03
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Waldorf Sixpence posted:Out of curiosity, do we have a value for 'way too much money'? Cause as we've seen over the past week or so, Notch is one tight-fisted bastard. Guy could have been asking for $100 for all I know. I have no more information than anyone else, but I imagine it went like this: "We'd like to buy the Optifine code off of you!" "Well, considering the amount of the total code it would account for minus the fact that I wouldn't be responsible for updating or debugging it, how about five cents per copy sold?" *Notch multiplies 4,000,000 by $0.05* "See ya later, shitlord!"
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Dec 2, 2011 23:33
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http://bit.ly/rNqOnGquote:Nice to see OptiFine getting so popular.
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Dec 2, 2011 23:43
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An article on the Notch stepping down situation has appeared on the MC Forums frontpage. Choice quote: jeb posted:Jeb's next step is to work on the mod API for Minecraft, a long-awaited feature for players and modders alike. He had the following to say on the API:
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Dec 2, 2011 23:55
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I love that guy.
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Dec 2, 2011 23:57
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Jelly posted:I love that guy. This cannot be said enough. He gets what makes Minecraft so fun: it's one of the best sandbox games out there. It lives and breathes on modding.
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Dec 3, 2011 00:03
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I remember when Jeb was first brought on to the team, and people were worried about how all of the different wool blocks would take up so many block ID's that a lot of mods and such would just be infeasible. And then people found out that Jeb made this system where all wool blocks could be the same block with different states, and that this opened up a ton of room for a ton more blocks, and there was much rejoicing. Basically what I'm saying is Jeb seems pretty cool
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Dec 3, 2011 00:19
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Where did Notch find jeb anyway? Is he an old friend, or a fan of the game that just happened to live close?
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Dec 3, 2011 00:26
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PalmTreeFun posted:This cannot be said enough. He gets what makes Minecraft so fun: it's one of the best sandbox games out there. It lives and breathes on modding. To be honest, this may be what gets me into modding Minecraft. I've put it off for a long time just because its a pain to have everything break with every incremental patch that pops out. With a less technical way of making it work, it might finally be worth getting into!
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Dec 3, 2011 00:28
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Okan170 posted:To be honest, this may be what gets me into modding Minecraft. I've put it off for a long time just because its a pain to have everything break with every incremental patch that pops out. With a less technical way of making it work, it might finally be worth getting into! You should try the Yogbox. Or Equivalent Exchange, since that's already updated to 1.0. They're both not too hard to get into. As for getting them to work, you have WinRAR? It's just a matter of dragging and dropping a couple files.
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Dec 3, 2011 00:29
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PalmTreeFun posted:You should try the Yogbox. Or Equivalent Exchange, since that's already updated to 1.0. They're both not too hard to get into. I'm running it on the mac, but I can open RARs anyway. Maybe I was just put off by the amount of digging making it run in 64-bit took.
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Dec 3, 2011 00:37
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Okan170 posted:I'm running it on the mac, but I can open RARs anyway. Maybe I was just put off by the amount of digging making it run in 64-bit took. It's pretty much just finding the Miencraft folder, opening minecraft.jar with WinRAR, deleting the META-INF folder inside, then dragging in mods you want. Except with ModLoader mods, where you just do that with ModLoader or Forge or whatever, then put the zip files of the mods you want in the mods folder that it creates. The threads of popular mods usually have idiot-proof installation guides in them.
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Dec 3, 2011 00:40
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I'm sure there's a Granted, I'm sure that whenever the mod-api or the smp/ssp integration (is this still going to happen?) finally happens it wont really matter, but it matters in the now. I guess I just never thought to ask. edit - Not just 'because its coded badly', from more of a technical point of view.
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Dec 3, 2011 00:53
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Rack posted:I'm sure there's a Obfuscation, whenever they make a new build the names and signatures of classes/functions change name. *edit* to clarify, a mod extends minecraft in some way, hooking into the classes that make up minecraft. If the said class it hooks into/changes/replaces or whatever changes name, then it won't anymore. Hope it makes sense. Bicehunter fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Dec 3, 2011 |
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Dec 3, 2011 00:54
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In other words, Notch uses a program that changes the actual names of variables in stuff like aa, ab, ac, ad, and so on. The idea is so that people can't just take his code and modify it as they please, or claim it as theirs. Especially because Java is really, really easy to reverse-compile because it's pretty much the original code stored in a zip file. If it were made in C++ and thus actually converted into proper machine code, unlike Java, there would be no modding scene period without an API. Custom-made API's like ModLoader, Forge, and Bukkit need to be updated to change the right variables as necessary so people can use their simplified functions and such to more easily mod Minecraft.
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Dec 3, 2011 00:58
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Bicehunter posted:Obfuscation, whenever they make a new build the names and signatures of classes/functions change name. Makes perfect sense. I'd heard the term mentioned a lot here, and knew the dictionary term for it, but never really thought about what it meant in this context. Thanks.
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Dec 3, 2011 00:58
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Okan170 posted:To be honest, this may be what gets me into modding Minecraft. I've put it off for a long time just because its a pain to have everything break with every incremental patch that pops out. With a less technical way of making it work, it might finally be worth getting into! Yeah, I've been banging my had into the wall trying to get Buildraft to run and wondering why oh loving why a game that lives on modding and its infinite flexibility doesn't have a really simple mod installer of its own.
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Dec 3, 2011 01:29
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Harminoff posted:Where did Notch find jeb anyway? Is he an old friend, or a fan of the game that just happened to live close? They're friends who know each other through the indie gamedev circles.
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Dec 3, 2011 01:44
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I was wondering, does anyone know a mod/program/method for making the screen shot panorama that displays at the intro screen for Minecraft? It's made up of a cube of 6 images that seamlessly capture the world, and I just can't see it being easy or fun trying to do it by just using screen shots and Photoshop.
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Dec 3, 2011 01:48
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I really like notch and still think this is amazing. Though, I can't shake the feeling that people will eventually hate jeb_ too.
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Dec 3, 2011 01:57
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ArfJason posted:I really like notch and still think this is amazing. Though, I can't shake the feeling that people will eventually hate jeb_ too. Regardless, personal feelings towards the developers matter a hell of a lot less than the game's progress, and this is great news. Locus fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Dec 3, 2011 |
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Dwayne Bensey posted:This is really lovely, any chance you could upload the save file? I'm always impressed by these small but elegantly-designed houses and gardens in Minecraft. I honestly couldn't give a poo poo about mega-structures and primitive red-stone video games, the best buildings in Minecraft are ones that are subtly impressive and yet don't look like whoever built it lost a weeks worth of sleep over it (I mean that in the best way possible). You don't have PM's so here you go https://rapidshare.com/files/4136067444/New_World.7z
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