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I want to read everything on the crazies by alien Wrexham and mad Carl. EVERYTHING Sorry for the disappointment on the videos. I actually Bought the DVD to show people at drunk parties, but it's now lost forever as it was in a bag with an old laptop which i gave away to a cousin. I'm also hesitant to show any screenshot here to avoid Internet detective poo poo. I'm still writing entries but I doubt it would be ever as amazing as Denise and Brian or the soul bonders.
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Honestly, I'm surprised that people would look at 'living characters' as crazy. I'm not much of a writer, but it seems like a perfectly reasonable phenomena. I look at it similar to the way method actors work. I feel that they act that way because the character becomes part of them or real to them. This is definitely a concept I'm going to explore. Fascinating.
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Hey, cool. I'll definitely post more soon, it's a easier to write and post up in segments. Rhino, your Henriette stories rule. Was her outrageously high-pitched shrill singing imitating women in Indian pop songs?
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Yes. She was introduced to the strip in 1952 as a baby barely able to speak, and of course not mean to anyone. This blog: http://peanutsroasted.blogspot.com/ is going through the early years of Peanuts and giving commentary, you can really see how different it was in 1950 vs when it ended just before Schulz died
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Allen Wren posted:Also, I Watson, your avatar is kind horrifying. The gently caress? Shake it, bake it, booty quake it. If you enjoy John Hughes movies and/or giant robot shows, it is worth tracking down episodes.
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The Saddest Rhino posted:I want to read everything on the crazies by alien Wrexham and mad Carl. EVERYTHING ...I checked the thread just in case there was someone named Wrexham---I guess you mean me? Honestly, there's not much to tell, but I'll at least elucidate so it looks like I'm not just namedropping for no reason whatsoever. Also, since this stuff is pretty fleeting, it just ends up making me look like an even bigger nerd than I already am. But it would explain why learning all this freaked me out as much as it did last night. So, as these things go, the first time I met The House is the only time worth describing. At the time, I was part of the State College LARP scene, in, but not officially in the local Camarilla because, to quote 21-year-old-me, "gently caress paying fees to play vampire games." I was pretty heavily wallflowery, but really wanted to break through my own shyness and be one of the cool nerds---this was kind of the beginning of the nerd chic era, so. Anyway. I'm at the big local VTM game the one night, and the three main components of FF7 House (Jen, Angel and Renee---whose name afterwards I could not remember for the life of me) show up and are treated like returning heroes by the social circle I'd been palling around with. The game ends, the night ends and after the obligatory Perkins run for late-night breakfast, Jen & Co. end up my ride back into town. We decide, because I'm always up for anything resembling adventure, to just drive around and bullshit for a while. Well, that's not quite it exactly. Let me dig up my old livejournal post I made about that night. Fair warning---I was young and naive. livejournal, June 2003 posted:Right near the end of the game (first one held outside), three women walk over. And promptly begin making out in front of everyone. Well, not promptly making out. They were publicly affectionate in various configurations. But they were greeted like returning heroines, which, kinda, they were. People from before my time with the team of players. Names were Jen, Angel, and---aw, gently caress, I always do this. The last one's name began with an R. Bother. Anyway, in my humble opinion, they were quite stunning. I don't precisely remember how I got in a conversation with them....it had something to do with my talking to Mike about a different LARP I was semi-involved in, and would be more involved with later. Jen and Angel were there, and people began to break it down for the night, and they offered me a ride to the traditional after-LARP coffee-and-breakfast at Denny's/Perkins. I dug it, and we were there. I was young and had a terrible weakness for nerd girls in glasses, that's my only defense. What the journal sidesteps at that point, after a rundown of events at the meal and dealing with some of my own homophobia (now gone, for the record, but I was being sexually harassed by one of the other players at the time and I didn't know how to deal with this guy who was trying to get his swerve on with me. I was young. Anyway.) is that when Jen asks me if I want to continue hanging out with the crew, she asks if I wanted to go vampire hunting. In Bellefonte. (It's a town of 6000 people, surrounded by farmland, which is what makes the concept ridiculous.) livejournal, June 2003 posted:Jen & R. are married, Angel's her girlfriend. This is open and acknowledged. Far be it from me to comment. Jen claimed herself to have multiple personalities, I did not open my mouth outside of "Oh. Okay," when this was first mentioned to me. It was later appended to explain that she did not have the medical schizophrenia, oh, no, she had...fuckage. I still forget the term she used, but it was basically "otherkin" in new wrapping paper. The one that seemed to take up a good chunk of the evening happened to be Integra Hellsing (in other words, kind of a giant bitch). She even happened to be wearing a I.H. outfit, she changed when we stopped to drop R. off. This mostly consisted of driving around town, bantering. I liked banter, still do. Also excised from my original writing about the evening is that, before we went out, Renee begged off (it was late, admittedly), and so the car stops at their apartment. In the car is myself, a punk-rock guy named Josh who apparently was connected with them in some fashion, and possibly Angel. I don't think Josh and I were alone in that car but WHO loving KNOWS. Memory is a fucker. Jen followed Renee inside, and, quite probably fifteen to twenty minutes later, returns dressed as Integra Hellsing who, for those who don't care, is some sort of anime vampire hunter. I crack a joke about what they might have been doing all that time (loving), it later occurs to me that they were probably having an argument. At a stop for gas in Bellefonte, Jen and I had various debates about the nature of reality and the nature of I-really-don't-buy-your-otherkin-bullshit, that's the craziest the night actually got. We drove around, shared a gigantic slush-style beverage, sang in the car, etc. And, because I was 21 and easily impressed by anyone loosening up enough having a good time, I thought it was one of the coolest nights of my life. I was inspired by actually getting out of the apartment and doing wacky things. I mean, I knew on some level that I was in a car full of crazy? But it seemed like harmless crazy at the time. Reading up on it, older and wiser, I got a bit freaked out. I only ever saw them a few times after that, when they stopped by the coffee shop my particular social circle frequented at that time, a place called Smoke 'n' Joes (since they had a humidor in the back to sell cigars from.) The cosplay drama I mentioned is that, probably a year later, I became friends with some of the principals previously involved in the whole Usagi Kou...thing. I literally have no interesting stories about that. I Watson posted:Shake it, bake it, booty quake it. If you enjoy John Hughes movies and/or giant robot shows, it is worth tracking down episodes. I do in fact like John Hughes and am okay with the occasional giant robot. I will take it under advisement.
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Does anyone not do this? If you don't do this then you are not doing sex right. Though obviously Sex Time is Tyrannosaurus Rex Times, you're allowed to be a brontosaurus when it's time to eat vegetables (broccoli is tiny trees).
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DISCLAIMER: No internet detective bullshit on quotes or anything, please. A lot of people get really into otherkin/soulbonding/otakin as a lifestyle, and I'm pretty sure a certain amount of non-abandoners are stuck in the feeling that they've already told everyone they're a dragon/John Wayne/Naruto, so they might as well stick with it. Most of these people are legitimately about as awkward as people get in person and totally incapable of socializing on normal, reasonable terms. Unsurprisingly this is often especially so with people who insist they have special ties to overwhelmingly charismatic concepts. Gender issues and discomfort are super, super common in otherkin/soulbonding communities, as well as various bastardized forms of transgenderism. Generally my impressions are that this usually relates less to sexuality, which is often not really that developed yet, and more to intense personal discomfort. Awkward and alternative fetishes and lifestyles of all kinds are also super-common within these communities. Stuff would trend constantly in otherkin communities and it would blow up all over the place for a while. The first that I remember is astral injuries and magic "scans" which were purported to detect astral injuries. The people who began this trending had a ridiculously systematized idea about how all of this stuff works, and I usually didn't mess with them too much because they were like some kind of insane Swiss watch and it was way more entertaining to just watch them banter back and forth and come up with new totally crazy ideas. Astral injuries might be things like battle scars, tumors, cysts, or sometimes more exaggeratedly weird things like being totally blown apart. Misc. new age reappropriation would also periodically trend heavily in the form of bastardized eastern concepts (chakras, reincarnation) and constantly revising ideas about what spells were and what they could be. "Psychic vampires" are a really popular concept to the extent that otherkin and soulbonding gatherings tend to have bans on it among their top-priority rules. I've never been able to find any evidence of this being (openly) accused or enforced. I say 'openly' because discussions about who's psychic vampirizing and various bizarre, drawn-out melodrama about offensive magic is pretty common behind closed doors, as far as I'm aware. HUMAN HATRED is one of my personal favorite trends. Soulbonding communities often have cliques that love to get together and talk about how terrible humans are and wouldn't we all be better off without them! Witnessing these discussions is usually pretty surreal and stupid. I wanted to add a note to the "elves" that I mentioned earlier, as they have pretty much a complete culture all their own that often borrows from a variety of sources (Tolkien, for instance). It's popular to learn Tolkien languages, and most of them also claim to receive an intoxicating effect from berries. I think I mentioned this earlier, but the elves tend to be the most relaxed members of any community, and more often than not organize big events. A lot of details are going to be kind of fragmented like this as they come back to me as part of the bigger picture, sorry about that in advance. Angels All of these were anthropomorphic and most of them had anime icons. One of these once wrote a post about how he could hear electricity in wires. One thing that's of note is that a cohort of mine repeatedly posted the $1,000,000 James Randi challenge ("At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event.") which nobody claiming superhuman abilities ever commented on. They often have really bizarre personal interpretations of Christianity. I ran into quite a few more-or-less fundamentalist Christians among otherkin groups, though as I recall most of them were dragons and a few were angels. Demons Pretty much all "demon" otherkin were actually just anime fans who liked Inu-Yasha a whole lot but were too self-aware to go around calling themselves otakin just yet. Lots of anime icons. I actually think the whole angel/demon crowd was pretty heavily influenced by stuff like CLAMP's X/1999. These were usually among the most socially awkward and almost all of them really wanted to be gothic anime pretty boys, basically. Dragons Dragons are really ridiculously common and were the source of what I consider to be the absolute craziest thing I've ever seen in any soulbonding-related community, which was someone who insisted that "vanillin serves as an amino for [their] draconic body," and "helps [them] heal in spirit and body." Does anyone know about any particular dietary or nutritional properties vanillin has that might have inspired that particular bout of weirdness? "gently caress you, I'm a dragon" originates from this subgroup, of course -- that particular person was famous for really pissing people off and was actually ultimately stabbed to death. There was a fair amount of otherkin/soulbonder solidarity in mourning his death. BONUS: Dollfie people are really a class of their own. I had a close friend for a while who was one of their ilk (who is cool by me, we are at peace) which is how I became so familiar with the culture. Most dollfie owners aren't terribly well-adjusted in some spectrum or another, and while the culture is absolutely bursting at the seams with strange pseudoreligious traditions most of it is harmless and not too terribly abnormal in the grand scheme of things (especially for the asian cultures that are the source of this behavior). One example of an extreme would be the girl who bled on her dollfies to "bond them to her" and took tons of pictures of weird dollfie bloodplay. Dollfie people are overwhelmingly contentious, and in particular really love to be offended about something and tell everyone how offended by it they are. For example, Japan is very fond of referencing Nazi fashion which is reflected in doll fashion, and periodically someone would claim Jewish ancestry and get all mad about it and there would be a huge angry overprivileged teenaged girl civil war all over the boards. There are also lots of yaoi fans/owners of "gay" dolls who think that they are prominent gay rights activists because of this. Interestingly, there's a lot of overlap in doll themes with soulbonder/otherkin themes -- lots of wolves, angels, demons and dragons. It's also very common for them to have pseudoreligious beliefs about their dolls, their dolls having 'souls', and their dolls having personalities. Some people have their dolls have relationships with other peoples' dolls, and probably the majority of male dolls are "gay." At one point, during the 4chan revolution when everyone was deciding they were internet trolls. Their main board is 'Den of Angels', and someone made 'Den of Demons' and everyone went over there to prove how edgy they were (proving how edgy you are is another popular asian ball-jointed doll (ABJD/BJD) community pastime). To this day it was one of the funniest large-scale internet throw-downs I've ever seen, and a lot of drama was mostly raging over whoever was in charge of the community (there were lots of, and probably still are, really weird attempts at power-grabs from the chick that runs Den of Angels). There's a lot of overlap with the American lolita community, and when the two mix people start doing poo poo like snubbing each others' dolls and getting offended over snubbing each others' dolls. More on the American lolitas later. People in the doll community mostly tend to think they're major art connoisseurs, presumably on the basis that they own dolls averaging around $500-600, but most of them can't actually tell the difference between acrylic paint and watercolor pencil in the craft side of things. Males in the doll fandom are extremely rare, and the ones I met were more craft-focused and less interested in all the social stuff and so on. It's likely I'll have a chapter two on doll people later as more of it comes back to me. mad carl fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Dec 4, 2011 |
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quote:"gently caress you, I'm a dragon" originates from this subgroup, of course -- that particular person was famous for really pissing people off and was actually ultimately stabbed to death. There was a fair amount of otherkin/soulbonder solidarity in mourning his death.  Can you expand on this?
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mad carl posted:More on the American lolitas later. As I posted in the Fandom Secrets thread, I'm a member of the lolita community and I'll attest that there are plenty of crazies there too. My local community is thankfully lacking in drama and crazy for the most part, but that's kind of uncommon. I'd love to hear your experiences with this, I'm sure it ain't pretty due to you posting about it here.
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Awesome Animals posted:Honestly, I'm surprised that people would look at 'living characters' as crazy. I'm not much of a writer, but it seems like a perfectly reasonable phenomena. I look at it similar to the way method actors work. I feel that they act that way because the character becomes part of them or real to them. I have always been amazed that it has not been further explored by psychological interests. I would think there's a PhD waiting to happen with it. Until very recently the University of Iowa's outstanding creative writing program neither discussed nor acknowledged the living character. Those who brought it up were greeted with polite silence. This may have changed in the past few years, however. I have a niece who just started in the program. I'll have to ask her. The big difference between living characters and method actors is that the actor seeks to become another, while the writer is fractured into many distinct personalities.
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I've been putting this off, but I have to start getting this out somewhere. My brother does this crazy "videogames are REAL guys!!" poo poo and can barely take care of himself, but feels like imaginary and real women should be throwing themselves at him. The worst part is that our mom still coddles him at 18 and constantly shoots down mine and our dad's attempts to bring the kid back to reality  I guess I could tell some stories but it'd be really depressing and I don't want to bring down the thread.
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Allen Wren posted:...I checked the thread just in case there was someone named Wrexham---I guess you mean me? iPad spellcheck in action, sorry mate. mad carl posted:Rhino, your Henriette stories rule. Was her outrageously high-pitched shrill singing imitating women in Indian pop songs? Well, there were two types of singing Henriette did. When it was Bollywood songs, she was definitely doing the shrill high-pitch thing as the one you have just posted. For operatic (or even non-operatic songs), she was trying hard for a Sarah Brightman/Mariah Carey thing, but apparently without enough training to back it up since it involved her singing from the throat as opposed from the diaphragm, which resulted in shrieks and constant gasps for breaths. I'm no singer myself, but I have done minimal public speaking courses to know speaking loudly from the throat is just torture on both your audience and yourself. Henriette, of course, have performed professionally and was nominated for opera awards so what do I know? mad carl posted:"gently caress you, I'm a dragon" originates from this subgroup, of course -- that particular person was famous for really pissing people off and was actually ultimately stabbed to death. There was a fair amount of otherkin/soulbonder solidarity in mourning his death. Is this by any chance Starbalde/starbles, I didn't know he got killed
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It happens. But, yeah, like I said, my story wasn't much, just enough to make me realize how close to the strangeness I was.
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Ask me about studying law with a girl who thinks she's married to Sai Baba Previously: The Girl in the Sari A Note on Henriette Phantom in Honolulu The Girl who Thinks She's Married to Sai Baba & Part 2 The Thespian Society Amnesia: The Friendship Descent The Stage Play Interlude 1: Raja Discovers Blogging Interlude 2: Le Fursécution! The Bollywood Film 1: A True Story The Bollywood Film 2: I am Batman The Bollywood Film 3: Andrew, You're Not the Father --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: I am really good at google. Can I do some internet detective poo poo on your stories? A: NO. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Bollywood Film 4: Fever One week before the screening of I Will Survive!, Henriette put up a movie trailer on googlevideos. Unfortunately, either google or Henriette has removed it, since it's now gone and the only thing I have left is a skeletal description in my old livejournal. There were a few things prominent in that trailer: 1. What would turn out to be the most popular scene in I Will Survive! was featured as part of the trailer: a swimming pool sequence between Shum (Abusive Ex-Husband) and Henriette.  The scene was intended to be that Shum was evil enough to push his wife into the pool. What made the scene more entertaining was that Shum did a very nonchalant slap on the face, as if it was his duty as an Abusive Husband and Henriette was scheduled for her daily 5pm pool-dunking. Because the slap was so casual, Henriette reacted only a second later by swinging her arms wildly then jumping into the pool. As Henriette screamed in the water, Shum observed for a few seconds with his arms crossed, then walked offscreen to plan for her continued abuse for the day. Suffice to say, everyone in the law faculty loved that scene for various different reasons. 2. The trailer had the following titlecards shown in between scenes: quote:A WOMAN IN AN Most of the law faculty were less than impressed. We have already seen (or acted in) the stage play, and almost everyone was aware of how egocentric and Sai Baba-obssessed Henriette was. She was also charging MYR 3.00 (less than an American dollar, but enough for a cheap meal) for the screening, which we were warned could be more than five hours. Nobody was eager to spend a whole night watching another performance of Hindu mother rituals. Harold (the equity law lecturer) famously speculated it would be akin "a glorious tsunami hitting Malaysia Arts and Culture." Henriette, to her credit, did manage to convince the law faculty Dean and even the Head of the college to attend the screening. Nobody really knows how she managed to do this. Wale, who was an exchange law student from Namibia, was known among us for being a photography enthusiast who can work with Photoshop and basic imagine manipulation. Henriette asked him to design some posters for I Will Survive!, since the previous cursive handwriting poster was not exactly attracting as many people as she thought. Far as I knew, Wale just took some pictures from the trailer, then used a Flickr tool to create them. Henriette asked for four poster designs (WHY), but Wale created six instead. Henriette was never ever shown the extra two posters, but Wale did a kind thing and emailed his creations to a number of us.   Wale made a lot of friends that day.
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mad carl posted:Some people have their dolls have relationships with other peoples' dolls, and probably the majority of male dolls are "gay." At the risk of stirring up a hornet's nest, is there an explanation for this prevailing fascination with gays? I've never met a woman that thought male/male sex was sexually appealing (as opposed to men and lesbians  ). Is it just a kink, or does it stem from some sexual confusion?
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Twiggy Johnson posted:At the risk of stirring up a hornet's nest, is there an explanation for this prevailing fascination with gays? I've never met a woman that thought male/male sex was sexually appealing (as opposed to men and lesbians Even if you haven't met one, straight women enjoying male/male porn is becoming a lot more prevalent. I'd say it's a combination of that, and the nonthreatening nature of it. Women may view gay porn as "safe" because the men are attracted to each other instead of the women, meaning they're safe from physical or emotional harm that might come from a relationship with a man.
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Sudden Guts Pill posted:Even if you haven't met one, straight women enjoying male/male porn is becoming a lot more prevalent. I'd say it's a combination of that, and the nonthreatening nature of it. Women may view gay porn as "safe" because the men are attracted to each other instead of the women, meaning they're safe from physical or emotional harm that might come from a relationship with a man. Seriously, a lot of straight porn is just mean. As for the psychology behind "shippers" and slash, I think it's a developmental thing. It's a way for someone who's tentative and insecure to mess around with narratives involving sexuality without having to become directly involved themselves; slash keeps the slasher a couple of degrees removed. So again, safe.
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Twiggy Johnson posted:At the risk of stirring up a hornet's nest, is there an explanation for this prevailing fascination with gays? I've never met a woman that thought male/male sex was sexually appealing (as opposed to men and lesbians A LOT of women find male/male sex appealing, but the ones who make a culture out of it tend to be more emotionally immature. Congrats on having emotionally mature friends. Or friends at least self-aware enough to lie. It's kind of the same reasoning behind guys thinking lesbians are hot, ie. two attractive bodies getting it on without any boring ones in the way, but it's important to note these women don't usually find JUST gay men sexy, it's almost always yaoi and/or anime boys. The fan-fiction thread has a ton of psych theories about this.
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spite house posted:That, and the men are better-looking and nobody is mean to women in gay porn. Sure, but a lot of the slash fiction I've seen (why?) involves domination or rape, too.
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Twiggy Johnson posted:Sure, but a lot of the slash fiction I've seen (why?) involves domination or rape, too. Yeah, but against a man, not a woman. Technically it's still safe for the woman reading it.
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Sudden Guts Pill posted:Yeah, but against a man, not a woman. Technically it's still safe for the woman reading it. This is pretty much it I think. Yaoi-con is actually a convention for yaoi that they host in SF every year, and I remember reading a newspaper article talking about it. Girls who were interviewed about it said they tended to feel safer in exploring their sexual side through yaoi since it places some distance between them and the moist dickings. It's partly a product of our somewhat sexually restrictive culture, especially in how it regards female sexuality. That, and mansex is awesome.
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Twiggy Johnson posted:Sure, but a lot of the slash fiction I've seen (why?) involves domination or rape, too. I think a lot of the women who write the hardcore, graphic non-con* (a polite term for rape) are working through their own issues and the writing is cathartic. There are also sometimes examples of good old-fashioned story writing about characters dealing with having bad things happen to them. But there's a fine line between "gritty realism" and "weird fetish". Domination is typically just of the fantasy variety. It's common for people to have dom/sub fantasies that they find arousing when acted out as a game. Slash fiction of that sort is just another expression of the fantasy as porn. Fundamentally, it's meant to be entertaining in the same way that other kinds of porn are for entertainment. If you're lucky, there's good writing in there, too, but that's much less common. As a general rule, original characters invented by the author and inserted into a fandom universe are thinly veiled self-insertions. Exceptions are very rare, but awesome when encountered. *non-con = non-consensual
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A lot of this drama and fueding, especially among the dollfie people, has sounded vaguely familiar, and it just now clicked for me what it is: this is exactly what drag queens are like! Also, furries were all over the whole 'hyooman hatred' back in like the 90s! Also, I had a friend back in the 90's who would claim to be a 'psychic vampire', which I always just assumed was Goth for Borderline Personality Disorder. ALSO ALSO, wow, Starblade IS dead. There is info about it on ED and here: https://forums.vivisector.org/index.php?topic=395.0 Spitball Trough fucked around with this message at 09:00 on Dec 3, 2011 |
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The Saddest Rhino posted:Harold (the equity law lecturer) famously speculated it would be akin "a glorious tsunami hitting Malaysia Arts and Culture. I love this, I love your stories, and I love love love those posters. It's so awesome that all of you, even the professors, just went along with all this craziness. Also I hope for entirely selfish reasons that you manage to scare up a copy of the DVD somewhere. So was it really a true story? And why was she compelled to make it into a movie, other than as a vehicle for herself?
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spite house posted:Seriously, a lot of straight porn is just mean. It's like watching a dude getting the most ham-fisted blowjob in the world(teeth scraping, pulling the foreskin back too far, everything) while occasionally getting punched in the dick by a fat, unshaven lady who grunts "Ohh yeah, you like that baby?"  at regular intervals. Gayporn isn't much better but for lots of women it has the advantage that it doesn't make them want to cringe and cross their legs as much.
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mad carl posted:Dragons"gently caress you, I'm a dragon" originates from this subgroup, of course -- that particular person was famous for really pissing people off and was actually ultimately stabbed to death. There was a fair amount of otherkin/soulbonder solidarity in mourning his death. At least I only knew him through the internet, but I don't recall him ever mentioning vanillin.
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The Saddest Rhino posted:Is this by any chance Starbalde/starbles, I didn't know he got killed It sure is. It's my understanding that he wasn't very socially capable and just pissed people off a lot, in person and online, which eventually backfired. Apparently at least one person who knew him thought the incident was related to his in-person antisocial behavior. The details of his murder are unclear, but they apparently met through a program in their college for people with learning disabilities. Twiggy Johnson posted:At the risk of stirring up a hornet's nest, is there an explanation for this prevailing fascination with gays? I've never met a woman that thought male/male sex was sexually appealing (as opposed to men and lesbians I think it's primarily a nonthreatening thing, like Sudden Guts Pill said. I think sometimes it can stem from other issues, particularly sexual immaturity, which is extremely common in pretty much all of the groups I've written about. I wouldn't call it 'confusion; any more than I'd call the outlook of a child 'confusion'. Often these people have led very strange lives, especially developmentally, and it's my personal theory that many people with undiagnosed developmental disorders identify themselves into these communities as a coping method. In my opinion lots of the occult "rules" followed by certain folkloric creatures are very similar to symptoms of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder or the extreme peculiarities witnessed in people on the autism spectrum, though by no means do I intend this as a criticism of either people on those spectrums or those potentially carrying undiagnosed characteristics. I'd also like to note that the sex acts fantasized about in these communities frequently have little or no basis in reality, which I think increases the comfort factor. Gay sex acts that are typically extremely painful depicted as not being such, for instance, are a popular romantic theme, but I've also seen unusual things like "penis in injuries," which seems to relate to preferring their sexuality to be really displaced from reality. Sudden Guts Pill posted:As I posted in the Fandom Secrets thread, I'm a member of the lolita community and I'll attest that there are plenty of crazies there too. My local community is thankfully lacking in drama and crazy for the most part, but that's kind of uncommon. I'd love to hear your experiences with this, I'm sure it ain't pretty due to you posting about it here. It's really an interesting group of people to me. If you have any particular experiences you might like to relate, I would likewise enjoy that. Ghostlight posted:At least I only knew him through the internet, but I don't recall him ever mentioning vanillin. I'm not sure if this is what you're implying, but I'd like to note that those were two different people. I really don't know the "vanillin" person at all, and just witnessed the post and impending discussion. The dragon crowd is one that produces some of the most genuinely idiosyncratic behavior. I personally take a particular interest in people who have really convincingly alien thoughts and behavior, hence the note about "alternative operating system" type mental wiring. mad carl fucked around with this message at 11:45 on Dec 3, 2011 |
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PiratePing posted:It's like watching a dude getting the most ham-fisted blowjob in the world(teeth scraping, pulling the foreskin back too far, everything) while occasionally getting punched in the dick by a fat, unshaven lady who grunts "Ohh yeah, you like that baby?" Hahaha, this is exactly what it's like to watch regular porn as a woman.
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Dec 3, 2011 13:23
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Twiggy Johnson posted:At the risk of stirring up a hornet's nest, is there an explanation for this prevailing fascination with gays? I've never met a woman that thought male/male sex was sexually appealing (as opposed to men and lesbians Sometimes, it is the same deal as men and lesbians, if they don't fancy women themselves. Though I think the main appeal of it is that it's often really hard to identify with the women in mainstream porn, because too often it just looks like they're only there to please the man and not getting much fun out of it themselves. Particularly in cultures where women are traditionally considered subordinate or less powerful, e.g. in Japan where the whole yaoi thing originated, women like to see porn or even just romance stories that depict a relationship between equals. IIRC, that's why in anime gay couples there's invariably one really feminine one who's almost indistinguishable from a girl, for the readers to identify with.
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Dec 3, 2011 14:13
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Corridor posted:Hahaha, this is exactly what it's like to watch regular porn as a woman.
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Dec 3, 2011 17:28
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Ograbme posted:Why is so much straight porn like this? Why don't they tell the ladies to smile? I think it's all dominance fantasy. It taps into the part of the male brain that leads them to see an attractive woman and think "I would gently caress the poo poo out of her" without regards to what she wants. I want to think that it says more about porn producers than porn watchers. Then again, this seems to be where the money is
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I don't think gay porn and yaoi should be considered the same thing. I'd wager a majority of yaoi fans don't watch any gay porn at all/aren't interested in real gay people, since the whole draw of yaoi seems to be super-girly men.
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From my experience, the online English-speaking yaoi community is 99.9% women, between the ages of 14 and 25, who are socially stunted in some way and have few real-life friends. There is a small minority of gay men in the community, who I guess are the types into wispy girl-men and are drawn by the aesthetics. Also for some reason there seems to be a large overlap with furry for the males but not the females. This led to a lot of hilarious arguments about whether or not furries should be allowed on yaoi art sites and a lot of passive-aggressive FURRRSECUTION drawings. Now, I haven't been involved in this community at all for several years, because I'm no longer a hopeless virgin nerd, so some of my knowledge might be outdated. But in my first couple years of college, when I had finally split with my Crazy Anime Friend, I went through phases of trying to find a new social group (online, natch... see "hopeless virgin nerd") and somehow ended up among the yaoi nuts. For a few years I'd had a little group of fans online who enjoyed my drawings (non-anime style, but anime people seemed to love them) and I was invited to be a moderator at an art site which was just being launched. I was flattered and agreed. Long story short, the site allowed explicit images/pornography at first and then suddenly banned it and made a lot of people angry. It turned out that the two admins were high-school students who had started the site as a class project and now had to take all the porn off because they had to show it to their teacher. Yeah, seriously. So, a new site split from that one, which was yaoi-only. I was also asked to moderate that site and I again agreed, possibly out of subconscious masochism but also because I liked being IMPORTANT ON THE INTERNET and because the inevitable drama was genuinely amusing. It was there, on that site, that I truly looked down into the abyss. Let me tell you something: yaoi fangirls are CONSTANT drama. 24/7. On an unbelievable level. Take a bunch of middle school girls, put them into the hormonally charged bodies of teenagers, and whack them upside the head a few times with a six-volume manga of thinly-veiled pornography and this is what you get. The terms of service on that site were revised over and over again, to the point where they contained detailed bullet-point lists of how girly a man could be before he was considered a girl for the purposes of the site, and how many animal features a character could have before they were considered furry (which wasn't allowed.) There was also a disturbing amount of "shota" on the site (if you don't know what that is, consider yourself lucky) and it kept alternately getting banned and then allowed again because none of the admins understood where U.S. law fell on the issue. At any given time there was an entire subsection of the site that was furiously defending their right to draw whatever hosed up fetish they enjoyed, and threatening to leave and delete their accounts. Which they never did, by the way, except all the furries that got banned. I eventually got demodded over some stupid drama that I no longer remember, but it probably had something to do with calling the admins on their childish bullshit. That was probably the best thing that could have happened to me, because I was no longer obligated to check the site multiple times a day and turn down invitations for real life activities to troll through miscategorized images and explain to people why I wasn't reversing their bans. If anyone has any specific questions about this subset of the bottom of the internet barrel, feel free to ask. P.S. Please do not internet-detective me. Anyone who was involved in the community at the same time may know who I am, but you'll also know that I disappeared from that part of the internet several years ago, and I never plan to return. I'm an adult now and I've grown through my awkward phase and I would appreciate this stuff not being dragged up to haunt my current life. Thanks 
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Mr. D Bewildering posted:I think it's all dominance fantasy. It taps into the part of the male brain that leads them to see an attractive woman and think "I would gently caress the poo poo out of her" without regards to what she wants.  "Oh I'm such a nasty bitch, you'd better punish me" "No you're a nice person I don't want to hurt you!"
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Canyons of Static posted:The terms of service on that site were revised over and over again, to the point where they contained detailed bullet-point lists of how girly a man could be before he was considered a girl for the purposes of the site, and how many animal features a character could have before they were considered furry (which wasn't allowed.) Do you remember what any of these rules were? Of the yaoi I've seen, all of it was on art sites and most of it involved taking even old, masculine or ugly characters and drawing them as skinny, pretty, androgynous boys. I dread to imagine how characters are rendered who are actually meant to look like that. Also the furry rules sound like they can't be anything but hilariously arbitrary.
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Dec 3, 2011 22:46
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Ograbme posted:I really don't get the desire to be on the 'giving' end of dom/spitting/peeing/facial/a2m etc. There may be a whole egalitarian-kink segment of the porn market that is going untapped due to it requiring better acting skills.
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Mr. D Bewildering posted:I think it's all dominance fantasy. It taps into the part of the male brain that leads them to see an attractive woman and think "I would gently caress the poo poo out of her" without regards to what she wants. V
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