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It reminded me a bit of the end of Popcorn (that thing Ben Elton wrote back when it was still OK to like him) where the hostage takers say they won't kill the hostages is everyone watching the live broadcast turns off their TVs... and everyone keeps watching.
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Kin posted:Edit: also, is it just me or has there been a huge wave of "upper class" TV over the last year or two. Come to think of it, maybe it's not really something conscious (or maybe it is), but reflects a public desire to think about more comfortable times after years of hearing the word "recession" every single day. What's cozier and more comfortable than baking a cake (especially since it's something lots of people haven't done since they were kids), or more of a solid sign that some things aren't completely changed than the aristocracy? Of course, the latter is a totally false belief in many cases, since there's probably more of the old aristocracy ending up like Hector and Molly in Monarch of the Glen (oh how I miss that show...) than many would like to think, but I think the point still stands. Fatkraken posted:It reminded me a bit of the end of Popcorn (that thing Ben Elton wrote back when it was still OK to like him) where the hostage takers say they won't kill the hostages is everyone watching the live broadcast turns off their TVs... and everyone keeps watching. That's actually what the trailer made me think of, hence why I didn't bother watching it since I figured it'd be too black.
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Fatkraken posted:It reminded me a bit of the end of Popcorn :O quote:where the hostage takers say they won't kill the hostages is everyone watching the live broadcast turns off their TVs... and everyone keeps watching. Yes, it IS very Ben Elton, isn't it, though without the trashy pulpy kind of element. He wrote that awful Big Brother spoof a decade ago too. Popcorn fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Dec 5, 2011 |
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Sion posted:Honestly it felt a little like a swing and a miss, devoid of both humour or any content other than Brooker once again bleating about how TV mad we all are. Now if you'll excuse me I'm off to sink another 80 hours into Skyrim. By this post, I'm not sure you understand what "content" means. Plus it was more about new media than tv. It was an enjoyable watch, I but i think its a hard sell for channel 4 as its an odd program, if people were complaining it wasn't funny enough, its not like there were any specific "jokes" that missed, but calling it a dramedy would be equally as uninformative to potential viewers. Dead set got a similar reaction except there was a lot of boring "holyfuckballs lol zombies! Lol" chatter. It's twilight zone for this generation brooker already labelled it that before it aired. Ponce de Le0n fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Dec 5, 2011 |
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Dec 5, 2011 01:10
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Thinking about it, what's the most working class programme on telly? None of the soaps, except maybe Hollyoaks. Before it finished it was Big Brother. Now, I'll go for Celebrity Juice.
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ChuckDHead posted:Come to think of it, maybe it's not really something conscious (or maybe it is), but reflects a public desire to think about more comfortable times after years of hearing the word "recession" every single day. What's cozier and more comfortable than baking a cake (especially since it's something lots of people haven't done since they were kids), or more of a solid sign that some things aren't completely changed than the aristocracy? It happened during the eighties quite a lot too, for obvious reasons.
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Dec 5, 2011 01:23
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Hoops posted:Thinking about it, what's the most working class programme on telly? None of the soaps, except maybe Hollyoaks. Before it finished it was Big Brother. Now, I'll go for Celebrity Juice. Isn't Big Brother still going on channel 5? (I realise this is essentially the same thing)
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Rarity posted:Isn't Big Brother still going on channel 5? (I realise this is essentially the same thing)
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Paperhouse posted:the guy who just won it was not working class at all, he was very well spoken and despised swearing and got visibly and immensely offended when people burped or talked about sex This quotation just boggles my mind. I want to frame it and hang it on my wall.
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Paperhouse posted:yeah and it still owns. Although for a change, the guy who just won it was not working class at all, he was very well spoken and despised swearing and got visibly and immensely offended when people burped or talked about sex They let Cameron win it again?
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unlike Cameron he was actually interesting and entertaining, best winner they've had in a long time imo. I was sad there was no BB thread this year 
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I haven't watched anything quite like that for a while and I really enjoyed it, the absurdity of the whole thing was the funniest aspect for mePopcorn posted:
Maybe but then again it was sent to a news station and they aren't the type of people to sit and wait around for a blood test/examining it with that kind of scoop so maybe it was intentional
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Except in the news report they said they immediately forwarded it on to the police.
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Dec 5, 2011 07:21
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Who maybe couldn't get a full DNA profile on a little finger in >2 hours
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Dec 5, 2011 08:58
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You just need to look at the many deaths of Khamis Gaddafi in the Libyan Civil War to see how the media often reports stuff without the facts being fully established and confirmed.
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I appreciated the LOL gonna get pig AIDS bit of the realtime twitter feed.
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ibroxmassive posted:Who maybe couldn't get a full DNA profile on a little finger in >2 hours And how did the artist get that package to the news desk so quickly? I just think the more holes it has, the less interesting it is, and the more it becomes an "edgy for the sake of it" morality clunker. Almost exactly the sort of TV I would expect Nathan Barley to write, thinking about it. "Imagine if the PM had to gently caress a pig! Ha ha ha, yeah. Now let's throw together some events to lead up to it, and we'll have some group reaction shots of people being all disgusted, but they can't tear themselves away because we're all slaves to the cathode ray tubes, man. It'll be like 2 girls 1 cup reaction videos, but with like emotional music and on TV!"
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FreakyZoid posted:Almost exactly the sort of TV I would expect Nathan Barley to write, thinking about it. "Imagine if the PM had to gently caress a pig! Ha ha ha, yeah. Now let's throw together some events to lead up to it, and we'll have some group reaction shots of people being all disgusted, but they can't tear themselves away because we're all slaves to the cathode ray tubes, man. Haha, got a chuckle out of this, which is more than I could say for most of Nathan Barley.
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FreakyZoid posted:And how did the artist get that package to the news desk so quickly? As it seems the princess was being held in London it wouldn't have been hard to get a private courier service to pick it up and drive it across London in less than an hour.
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Dec 5, 2011 09:56
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Brown Moses posted:As it seems the princess was being held in London it wouldn't have been hard to get a private courier service to pick it up and drive it across London in less than an hour. Wouldn't the courier service have been a better way to track where the princess was?
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Dec 5, 2011 11:32
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I worked for a company that used a small courier service in London, they had an office we could drop parcels at, so it could be he did the same thing. Didn't they receive the finger a couple of hours before the deadline? They'd need to find out which courier service dropped it off to begin with, and if it's a small company that could be pretty difficult. I'd like to have seen the way in which the kidnapping was performed explained a little more, even if it was just saying that as a Turner prize winning artist he could get access to the princess more readily than a normal member of the public. Brown Moses fucked around with this message at 11:42 on Dec 5, 2011 |
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Dec 5, 2011 11:40
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BBC Radio 4 programme on the dangers of the dreaded Comic sans font. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0184zfz
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Brown Moses posted:I worked for a company that used a small courier service in London, they had an office we could drop parcels at, so it could be he did the same thing. Didn't they receive the finger a couple of hours before the deadline? They'd need to find out which courier service dropped it off to begin with, and if it's a small company that could be pretty difficult. This kind of discussion is always why I love reading TV IV after watching a show.
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I figure "it's a parable, it doesn't matter how feasible it is as long as it FEELS like something that could happen" On the Nathan Barley comment... It doesn't seem like something Nathan would write at all. I think you're giving the fictional character too much credit. Nathan Barley is not even trying to be sophisticated or make a wider point, he is about crassness for it's own sake because he thinks it's funny. Now, it might be something *Dan Ashcroft* would write. Dan is a stand in for the kind of person the Charlie Brookers of the world are terrified of becoming: a non idiot surrounded by so many idiots that after a while it's impossible to tell the difference, Animal Farm style. Dan is WORSE than Nathan in many ways, because he has the self awareness to now how awful everything is. Fatkraken fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Dec 5, 2011 |
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Dec 5, 2011 12:56
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqTyZoupc1w Here's the trailer for the next episode.
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I enjoyed the first episode a lot but was kind of disappointed by how straightforward it ended up being. Maybe it was all the comparisons to The Twilight Zone but I was expecting some big shock. I also kind of agree that revealing the name of the perpetrator and showing his face on the news etc was a bit much, although the idea that it was meant to be "art" was pretty good. Would have appreciated it more had any mention of him ended with the noose shot. Still, the overall tone was really disturbing and well-done, and I laughed a fair amount too (especially at the psychologist comment). Can't wait for next week.
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Brown Moses posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqTyZoupc1w "after the X-factor final". Ah holy poo poo it actually is and all. It's even running half an hour later than the last episode did, that has to be deliberate.
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Black Mirror did well in the ratings as well:quote:Charlie Brooker's Black Mirror launches with almost 1.9m viewers
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I thought Black Mirror was alright but it was being glaringly obvious making its point, and also while I was watching it I was just thinking to myself I kind of wish he just kept making more Screenwipe. I think Brooker is best when he just does comedy, Black Mirror was definitely just a drama no matter how ridiculous the premise was.
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DaWolfey posted:There was a substitute for that, which was the little musical thing that played when something dark and oooooh was happening. All of that stuff stuck out to me but mainly because I was thinking "yeah thats probably how people really would react" rather than becasue it was funny. The whole thing struck me less as comedy and more of a silly idea thats then bourne out to its extremely logical conclusion. I mean its not like a bunch of the things you've listed above havent happened in real life. Kin posted:I wonder which political party it's supposed to be. Brooker was on 6 radio through the week and said that the PM in it is supposed to be very similar to a certain real PM. He doesn't seem to be anywhere near slimy enough to be a Cameron parody. In fact he just seems like a rather generic British PM. Cameron is kinda generically innofensive though. In terms of looks and personal mannerisms I mean not other stuff. massive spider fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Dec 5, 2011 |
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"There's your RTS award!" Brilliant, I absolutely loved it, and yes, a lot of it was hamfisted. Yes a lot of the people started becoming caricatures. I think that is the whole point. To show how ridiculous we've become?
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Kin posted:I wonder which political party it's supposed to be. Brooker was on 6 radio through the week and said that the PM in it is supposed to be very similar to a certain real PM. He doesn't seem to be anywhere near slimy enough to be a Cameron parody. In fact he just seems like a rather generic British PM. In the very scene, the PM scathingly suggests that one of the demands will be to "save the loving libraries". So, Tories.
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Have any of you actually ever watched the Twilight Zone? It wasn't exactly subtle with most of its messages either.
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Tsaedje posted:Have any of you actually ever watched the Twilight Zone? It wasn't exactly subtle with most of its messages either. It had voice over narration to explain the conclusions of every episode to the audience, so Black Mirror might actually be more subtle in comparison. cloudchamber fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Dec 5, 2011 |
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Dec 5, 2011 16:10
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I'd say it was a half-cocked idea, done in a ham fisted way. Hamcocked, as it were.
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A new series of the twilight zone would be amazing, although I think viewers are too "aware" of television now and it wouldn't have the same effect.
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cloudchamber posted:It had voice over narration to explain the conclusions of every episode to the audience, so Black Mirror might actually be more subtle in comparison. Yeah but reminder that the Twilight Zone is literally half a century old.
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Just caught it on 4oD, good drama but I didn't really laugh at all. It really was just grim. I sort of am hoping Brooker would return to something much lighter next year.
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Dec 5, 2011 21:30
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I really don't think Brooker was trying to be funny. And I feel the people who are saying he should do more screenwipe are the same people who would be saying he should try something new if he had done more screenwipe. I'm sure he'll do something like screenwipe again. In the meantime, I'll be enjoying this.
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