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Shithouse Dave posted:Wow, that is a dire pit of nastiness up in there. Also, what is 'ita'? Short for 'ita lolita', which literally means "ouch lolita," meaning it's painful to look at.
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Hmm my son has written stories about raping my daughter. Do I: a) send him to therapy and take steps to protect my daughter in the household b) blame my daughter for discovering them, claim she is the problem, do nothing
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Corridor posted:Hmm my son has written stories about raping my daughter. Do I: Well, he's a fairy, so it's not like he's hard to deter. Just put some iron horseshoes in Dabbo's room and throw salt on the ground in front of the windows and doors every night, it's the cheapest option!
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Ask me about studying law with a girl who thinks she's married to Sai Baba Previously: The Girl in the Sari A Note on Henriette Phantom in Honolulu The Girl who Thinks She's Married to Sai Baba & Part 2 The Thespian Society Amnesia: The Friendship Descent The Stage Play Interlude 1: Raja Discovers Blogging Interlude 2: Le Fursécution! The Bollywood Film 1: A True Story The Bollywood Film 2: I am Batman The Bollywood Film 3: Andrew, You're Not the Father The Bollywood Film 4: Fever The Bollywood Film 5: What If? The Bollywood Film 6: The Importance of Data Security --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: I am really good at google. Can I do some internet detective poo poo on your stories? A: NO. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Bollywood Film 7: A Cleansing (Please read The Bollywood Film 5 & 6 first!) Thirty minutes before screening. People started to fill up the seats, and the once-silent hall was buzzing with voices. Most of the law faculty had turned up, mostly to witness the horrors Henriette had in store for us. Surprisingly enough, despite the price tag attached to the screening, the hall was almost full mostly with young couples. I spotted my then-girlfriend grabbing a seat for me, and was eager to join the audience. Wale had already scooted over to where his classmates were, no doubt ready to entertain them by asking what "Yiff" was. Only problem: Henriette was still not there. Lisa Lisa were starting to panic as numerous phone calls were not answered. The audience had been staring at the screen above the stage, where Jake Long, American Dragon's NOT GAY PORN DO NOT DELETE! folder basked in their everlasting gaze.  There was some fanfare outside as the head of the college arrived with the law faculty dean. Jake Long, American Dragon's desktop was still up there. Finally Henriette turned up running in both a hurry and a sari. Lin was tailing her closely with a laptop open.  RHINOOOO WHERE ARE oh there you are! We should start the show soon! Have you briefed Lisa Lisa on how to use the projector? Yeah. I got CD 1 running too so they can just hit play when you want to start. Where's CD 2 and 3? No CD 3! And don't worry, Lin's computer is running the video exporting process for CD 2 now! Uh... yeah, I won't worry then. When did you begin the exporting? Just before we left! About ten minutes ago. Henriette, this thing says it'll take another three hours to fini LISA LISA WE NEED TO GATHER THE SINGERS NOW WHERE IS EVERYONE GET THEM HERE NOW Henrie LISAAAAAAA LISAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I trust everything is in good hands! I must join the girlfriend now. BYE. LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN this isn't my computer, whose is is that gay porn WHAT IN SAI BABA'S NAME IS THIS PROJECTED ON THE SCREEN I MUST PURGE THIS OH MY LORD  And the crowd goes wild. The Saddest Rhino fucked around with this message at 10:24 on Dec 6, 2011 |
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That. Is. Amazing. Please please detail the fallout from this. Please.
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The Saddest Rhino posted:The audience had been staring at the screen above the stage, where Jake Long, American Dragon's NOT GAY PORN DO NOT DELETE! folder basked in their everlasting gaze. This is glorious.
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The Saddest Rhino posted:Ahaha, please tell me he lost his poo poo. What DID he think would happen, anyway?  Never stop Rhino, your stories are amazing.
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The Saddest Rhino posted:What is this Nothing so saucy, I assure you. A Muslim girl posted an outfit she wore to a con on daily lolita (one of the LJ lolita communities). She always wears a headscarf and so tries to coordinate it as much as possible with her lolita outfits. Just the very fact she dared to wear a headscarf with precious rori lead to 2 weeks worth of drama on lolita secrets. It was an absolutely vulgar clusterfuck. The Muslim girl at the centre of the shitstorm is absolutely lovely. I met her at a meet a couple of months ago and she really did not deserve all the vitriol that was thrown at her purely because of her religion.
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mad carl posted:Short for 'ita lolita', which literally means "ouch lolita," meaning it's painful to look at. If I am remembering it correctly, the genesis was girls calling other members 'lol-itas', and then folks Japanesed it up further with the itai bit.
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I Watson posted:If I am remembering it correctly, the genesis was girls calling other members 'lol-itas', and then folks Japanesed it up further with the itai bit. That seems likely. The Japanese lolitas I've met were very welcoming and sweet without exception, so based entirely on my completely anecdotal experience it does seem like a more American lolita approach to socializing. mad carl fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Dec 5, 2011 |
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PiratePing posted:For people who are interested in hearing lolitas attack eachother for having the wrong kind of lace there is Lolita Secrets Oh my god, this is the most horrible thing ever. It's like the movie 'Heathers' only nobody gets killed at the end, they just delete their livejournal!
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Sudden Guts Pill posted:If you ask most lolitas they'll say they wear it because they like the way it looks, which would also be my answer. Some do it for attention, certainly, but the most of the fun lies in composing outfits and feelin' purty. And as said above, I'll hopefully have a separate A/T for this in the next few days so any questions can be asked there. I guess what I'm wondering is where the aesthetic came from and what was the genesis of the movement. Like with western "Goth" fashion there's a pretty clear lineage back to punk scenes in the 70s. Death rockers were somewhat more emotional punks. Where does "gothic lolita" come from? What do people who dress that way have in common, where do they hang out, what do they listen to?
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PiratePing posted:Lolita Secrets This is the worst thing I've ever seen. They just want to be pretty. 
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ashgromnies posted:I guess what I'm wondering is where the aesthetic came from and what was the genesis of the movement.
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I thought part of lolita culture, if that's the right word, was acting like sweet and proper Victorian/Edwardian young ladies and gentlemen and being all into primness and etiquette? Not screaming at each other over the daftest thing.
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The Saddest Rhino posted:The audience had been staring at the screen above the stage, where Jake Long, American Dragon's NOT GAY PORN DO NOT DELETE! folder basked in their everlasting gaze. These stories are amazing. Properly amazing.
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Stottie Kyek posted:I thought part of lolita culture, if that's the right word, was acting like sweet and proper Victorian/Edwardian young ladies and gentlemen and being all into primness and etiquette? Not screaming at each other over the daftest thing. This will probably get covered in the separate thread but no. There are a small group of "lifestyle lolis" who do act like that but for the majority of us it really is just a fashion. I wear it because I really love wearing poofy things and not for some desire to be a Victorian princess.
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Catling Gun posted:If there's any way at all for you get as far away as possible from your brother, it, uh...might be a good idea. eumenidy posted:
Corridor posted:Hmm my son has written stories about raping my daughter. Do I: Our mom kind of has a history of protecting my brother from my eeeevil negativity at all costs. It's never been this ridiculous though. Ask me about having a fairy prince for a brother Part one ------- By the time my brother was in middle school I was on my way to high school, where I would constantly make up as many excuses as possible not to be at home. Because of this I didn't interact with him very often and don't have a lot of stories. Usually I would just hear about things he did from my parents. Among the things he did was urinate on piles of leaves and basketball poles, draw on every single desk he sat at, fold and rip up textbook pages, sneak food from lunch(not just chips or something, but like a sandwich or pizza) into class, play videogames during class, and still obsessively draw pictures of girls he liked. Apparently if a girl was absent he would insist on sitting in her chair as well. At home he was still drawing on the walls and only speaking in quotes from cartoons. Our mom was still letting him get away with every little thing and refusing to show any form of discipline, while conversely our dad was constantly yelling at him and calling him an idiot. Obviously none of this was very good for his mental growth. He continued to bumble along through life being a giant creeper having problems at school and whining about how he couldn't get any girls at home. Eventually dad got sick of hearing my brother talk about girls and told him he'd be grounded if he didn't stop. Then we got cable and he discovered the powerpuff girls. He didn't get obsessed with them thankfully, but he did draw everything to look like a powerpuff girl from then on, which would make it extra creepy. One night our mom decided to rent peter pan. My brother was enthralled. He would watch it over and over and throw a tantrum when it was time to take it back. Our mom rented it again, then finally bought the movie for him. I have never seen a vhs tape wear out so fast. He would constantly fast forward and rewind it to play his favorite parts over and over and over. Eventually his favorite hobby became popping in the tape and frequently replaying all the scenes with tinkerbell. I remember walking into the living room one day, and saw the movie paused on tinkerbell. He was just staring at her. I went into the kitchen, made a snack and came back five minutes later. He was still staring. After this, all he drew was powerpuff girl fairies. All day. Still growing and shrinking, either tearing down crudely drawn cities or getting stepped on by feet drawn in loving detail. Our dad would constantly call him a freak but not do anything else about it, while our mom said every drawing was a masterpiece and she was so proud of her sons artistic prowess. This would later develop a persecution complex that he would whine about on the internet. I don't know what websites he visited but he constantly left his aim conversations open when it was my turn to use the computer. Somehow he had found other people who were obsessed with fairies and the idea of growing and shrinking. Whatever, I thought, at least he finally has friends. What I didn't realize was that these people actually thought they were fairies. There was this big thing about how they were magical fairies in their past lives and somehow all of them were princesses or some sort of fairy royalty. I guess my brother ate this poo poo up because soon he was constantly drawing himself as a powerpuff fairy king, and wouldn't stop talking to mom about how he just didn't feel right in his fat, hairy human body and was destined for more. Our mom, who was obsessed with the idea of reincarnation and poo poo, went right along with it. She would go on about how her son had to be some sort of royalty and she was some mystical sprit queen. She tried to drag me into it, but I wouldn't comply. She would snottily suggest that maybe I was a peasent who couldn't remember a boring past life or something like that. I laughed at her, she got angry and grounded me for a month. Next up, my brother enters high school, becomes a stalker. Dabbo fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Dec 5, 2011 |
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Whoa, Dabbo, that is some of the most bonkers poo poo I have ever heard, not to mention genuinely frightening. I'm glad you're at least taking it seriously enough to distance yourself from it. It's sounds like a really painful family environment, and I hope you have the means to create and maintain meaningful supports in your life that are sane, pleasant and reasonable.
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Lolita here. I find my community (in Australia) is pretty friendly, but things like lolitasecrets and CGL are enough to stop me participating in the lolita community outside of local meets. My community in itself is pretty good though, the majority of the girls are just normal women who like dressing up. That being said, though, my god there are some insane people who take part in this. From lolitasecrets posts all the way to death and rape threats. It really doesn't suit the look. I've legitimately witnessed a lolita have a temper tantrum before.
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Dabbo, you make me very thankful that when my parents found out my little sister was autistic they enrolled her in a special school for the mentally handicapped and got her as much help as she needed.
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Dabbo posted:Jesus Christ. Your brother sounds incredibly similar to an autistic guy I went to high school with: he would steal pictures of his favorite players from the girls' volleyball team (they were successful and, thus, had their own display board) and he always carried around a VHS copy of the Francis Ford Coppola Dracula. I was afraid to ponder too seriously what his worldview was, but if I had I would probably have a few stories for this thread. That said, Dabbo, I'm sorry your mom is such a goddamn enabling loon.
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The Saddest Rhino posted:The Bollywood Film 7: A Cleansing Glorious. Simply glorious.
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Mongoose Face posted:Lolita here. I find my community (in Australia) is pretty friendly, but things like lolitasecrets and CGL are enough to stop me participating in the lolita community outside of local meets. My community in itself is pretty good though, the majority of the girls are just normal women who like dressing up. Where in Australia do you live? I've lived in Melbourne for my entire life and I think I've only ever seen one pair of girls who dressed up in full crazy lolita dresses in the city.
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OH yeah I forgot to mention that around this time he regularly tortured animals. He loved to catch butterflies and gently caress up their wings then laugh at them while they crawled around in pain. He cut off our cats whiskers and would hold her face against searing hot light bulbs. One time I caught him putting the puppy in the microwave. I screamed at him and our mom took away my favorite books as punishment for 'scaring him.' At this time I also had some pet rats. He was always trying to play with them no matter how much me and our dad yelled at him to leave them alone. One day he dropped my favorite rat on the concrete floor, killing her. This was one of the first times he was actually punished for his actions, and as far as I know he stopped torturing animals after that. He just switched to writing about it instead I guess! 
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Dabbo seriously, you should report your brother to your local mental health bureau, then do everything in your power to move to another state and never, ever speak to your mother or brother again. Jesus everliving Christ, that is the scariest thing I've read in a long time. Your brother sounds like a serial killer in the making.
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Fascinator posted:Dabbo seriously, you should report your brother to your local mental health bureau, then do everything in your power to move to another state and never, ever speak to your mother or brother again. Jesus everliving Christ, that is the scariest thing I've read in a long time. Your brother sounds like a serial killer in the making. I don't know how to report him, and I'm not sure I would if I did. I've been in a mental institute before and it only did more harm than good. Especially since I know he wouldn't be willing to cooperate.
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Goddammit, Gabbo. This is seriously past creepy and it is getting truly frightening. That said, keep it coming.
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Dabbo posted:I don't know how to report him, and I'm not sure I would if I did. I've been in a mental institute before and it only did more harm than good. Especially since I know he wouldn't be willing to cooperate. I understand that, but what's he going to do when your mother dies? He needs to start taking life skills classes and start transitioning into a situation where he can start to take care of himself.
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xcheopis posted:The authors of Japanese Schoolgirl Inferno believe that GothLoli comes from one of the same roots (Bauhaus, etc.), with added imagery from such early-20th century Japanese writers as Edogawa Rampo, and started nearly the same time as "Western" goths (the 1980s), but not becoming highly popular until the late-90s. Right up there with Visual Kei. God that book is terrible - but more or less right on that front, Visual Kei and Western Goth back when it was more of a romantic and Victorian inspired was what inspired the early lolita stuff. Who wants to start a proper A/T thread on this jazz because tbh I want to read more wackjob anime/faire/country-aboo/astral plane romance stuff and less about my own dumb hobby/fashion.
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Jesus gently caress Dabbo your brother sounds like he could be a serial killer. I'm really sorry you had to grow up with a mother/brother like that and hope you do distance yourself from them and have a nice future, like everyone else has said. 
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Dabbo posted:OH yeah I forgot to mention that around this time he regularly tortured animals. He loved to catch butterflies and gently caress up their wings then laugh at them while they crawled around in pain. He cut off our cats whiskers and would hold her face against searing hot light bulbs. One time I caught him putting the puppy in the microwave. I screamed at him and our mom took away my favorite books as punishment for 'scaring him.'  Seriously though, I really think you should get as far away from him as possible, though it looks like you're already trying to. I mean seriously your mom punishing you for freaking out when he put a puppy in a loving microwave is just...  The thing is that he sounds like he might genuinely hurt people. I know some mental institutions are pretty lovely, but getting him committed seems like the only way now, he sounds pretty deep in.
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Dabbo posted:I don't know how to report him, and I'm not sure I would if I did. I've been in a mental institute before and it only did more harm than good. Especially since I know he wouldn't be willing to cooperate. Not all institutions/therapists are created equal. Some are wonderful, some are poo poo, some are only effective with certain people/illnesses and are terrible with others. Seriously, this is one of those things that absolutely cannot be left alone.
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lt_kennedy posted:God that book is terrible - but more or less right on that front, Visual Kei and Western Goth back when it was more of a romantic and Victorian inspired was what inspired the early lolita stuff.
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Dabbo, how long has it been since the stories you just described took place? Is your brother still like that? Much as I'd like to imagine that he's gotten better, it doesn't seem likely. The reason I ask is because I'm genuinely fearful of what someone like him would be like in the adult world.
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Tiara posted:Where in Australia do you live? I've lived in Melbourne for my entire life and I think I've only ever seen one pair of girls who dressed up in full crazy lolita dresses in the city. Melbourne, actually. We have a pretty solid community, too. Although most of our girls tend to go for the more 'classic' look, which isn't like OTT sweet or anything - although we still have a few.
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Mongoose Face posted:Melbourne, actually. We have a pretty solid community, too. Although most of our girls tend to go for the more 'classic' look, which isn't like OTT sweet or anything - although we still have a few. I would love to know more about this! I'm really interested in fashion, and Melbourne has always seemed to be incredibly plain and boring in this aspect to me. I went through a 'phase' in high school where I'd buy lolita-looking clothes, but I dropped that pretty quickly after I got into some of the more mainstream fashion magazines. Is classical lolita just a toned-down version of lolita? How many people normally go to the meetups and what do you all actually do? Have a tea party and talk about clothes?
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Dabbo, your story is very disturbing, as well as sad. I just find it profoundly sad that your mother would choose to coddle your brother instead of seeking to get him help with his problems, and I feel very sad that she has chosen to scapegoat you this whole time as well. It seems as though, from what you have said, you were resilient enough to get on with your life though, which is great. Anyway, I'm really sorry that all that stuff continues to happen to you. My only really disturbing run-in with creepy fan-fiction writing weirdos was something that happened to me in high school. I was in Chinese 101 as a sophomore with mostly freshmen, and made friends with a girl named Yong in the class who was family friends with a boy in our class, Ryan. I thought he was rather cute, because he was extremely quiet and seemed shy and studious, and usually had a calm smile on his face. I asked Yong to talk to him for me, but he wasn't interested in hanging out or dating because he really liked this other girl they knew, Jenny. Really liked Jenny. Really, REALLY liked Jenny. To the point where, as Yong later found out, his main hobby was composing story after story where he kidnaps, rapes, tortures and then murders Jenny. Weirdly, this was one of those things where when you're in high school, the full gravity of the situation doesn't hit you. I thought, oh, that's odd, at the time. But the gravity of the situation never sank in until way after I hit adulthood. I don't know what happened to Ryan or Jenny. I feel like if he had murdered her eventually, I would have at least heard about it through someone from school. But yeah, very creepy "fan" behavior in hindsight.
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Tiara posted:I would love to know more about this! I'm really interested in fashion, and Melbourne has always seemed to be incredibly plain and boring in this aspect to me. I went through a 'phase' in high school where I'd buy lolita-looking clothes, but I dropped that pretty quickly after I got into some of the more mainstream fashion magazines. There's a million different variations of each style, but that's probably the best way to describe 'classic.' For example, here's three of our girls in co-ords they've wore to cons and meets. The first one is a con meet, so it's a little more out there.  And this was at a high tea meet.  So there's styles that you could actually get away with wearing normally is you really dressed it down. Depending on the meet, we can get anywhere from 4 girls in a small meet to 20 something. Meets range from going to see movies, going to art galleries, high tea, pretty much anything. It's just like doing every day things but... dressing up a bit differently. We talk about our outfits, obviously, but it's rarely the main topic. Has anyone started an ask/tell about lolita yet? I feel bad for derailing. Mongoose Face fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Dec 6, 2011 |
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