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I didn't grow up reading the X-Men, and just recently went through most of the old issues, but for me the worst thing about the transition to the 90s art is that the pages just become illegible to me. It might just be that I didn't grow up with them, or I'm missing some kind of fluency I was supposed to pick up from somewhere, but somewhere around 1991 I lose the ability to interpret them visually, and a lot of the time the broken, mostly shouted dialogue isn't much help. It is almost guaranteed that if Shinobi Shaw shows up in an issue, for example, I'll have no idea what the hell happened.
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Dec 2, 2011 14:48
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Modus Operandi posted:What I hated the most about the 90's art movement was that you went from fairly realistic body proportions, clothing, and hair styles to men looking like bodybuilders or silverback apes and every woman had the basic stripper body with silicon looking breasts. This looks especially stupid on someone like Cyclops and even Professor Xavier. I can't be bothered to find it but there are a lot of 90's depictions of Xavier looking hilariously roided out sitting in his cyber chair. You don't even have to go back that far.  Looks like he mind-controlled some dianabol manufacturers?
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Dec 2, 2011 16:42
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GMo has his own theory about '90s art, that it was sort of a punk movement as a response to the "hippie" artistic stuff from the '80s and the British invasion. He's big into sunspot theory stuff, though. I think it was just a bunch of inexperienced artists who didn't understand the importance of subtle moments in storytelling. So as a result you got these comics in a perpetual state of tension and exagerration, which makes them exhausting to read through.
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Dec 2, 2011 18:27
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SkellingTon Loc posted:GMo has his own theory about '90s art, that it was sort of a punk movement as a response to the "hippie" artistic stuff from the '80s and the British invasion. He's big into sunspot theory stuff, though.
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Dec 2, 2011 18:39
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Pacra posted:You don't even have to go back that far. My uncle was a para-Olympian back in the 70's. From the pictures I have seen, he used to be pretty ripped (upper body wise) but no-where near to that. Still, just because someone is in a wheelchair doesn't mean they cant have some muscle.
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Dec 2, 2011 18:48
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Did he ever even use his arms to move his wheelchair? I don't recall it ever being addressed, but it seems to me as if he'd be better off using his brain powers to move himself around. I know in the cartoon he had that zamboni chair that he flew around in, which I remember mainly because I had the action figure.
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Dec 2, 2011 20:28
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Awesomonster posted:He's great too, but I've always liked how Paul Smith drew Nightcrawler more, and since Nightcrawler was my favorite as a kid, Paul Smith wins. Are you me? Stagger_Lee posted:It is almost guaranteed that if Shinobi Shaw shows up in an issue, for example, I'll have no idea what the hell happened. Fortunately, Shinobi Shaw showing up is pretty much a guarantee that nothing important happened. Senior Woodchuck fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Dec 3, 2011 |
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Dec 3, 2011 01:01
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Endless Mike posted:From what I recall it's more the popularity of it was a punk response than the art itself. People bought what they felt embodied that (intentionally or not) and we ended up with the Image guys becoming popular. Bingo. In the nineties we only cared about hard bodies striking poses in the midst of violence. The comic companies could have taken the high road, but that would have only hastened Marvel's bankruptcy.
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Dec 3, 2011 01:28
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Awesomonster posted:Did he ever even use his arms to move his wheelchair? I don't recall it ever being addressed, but it seems to me as if he'd be better off using his brain powers to move himself around. I know in the cartoon he had that zamboni chair that he flew around in, which I remember mainly because I had the action figure. Charles Xavier doesn't have telekinetic powers. He does have all sorts of fancy flying chairs in the comics too, though.
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Dec 4, 2011 11:05
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Haha man, shows how good my memory is! But my (relatively stupid) point still stands, flying wheelchair means even less of an excuse for beefy arms.
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Dec 4, 2011 12:31
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Endless Mike posted:From what I recall it's more the popularity of it was a punk response than the art itself. People bought what they felt embodied that (intentionally or not) and we ended up with the Image guys becoming popular. Oh yeah, that makes a lot more sense. Guess i misinterpreted what he was saying.
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Dec 4, 2011 16:32
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I'm glad someone posted Byrne who quickly became my favorite of the 1980s, especially when inked by Terry Austin. Back then I bought pretty much everything he did and it really taught me about the value of good inkers. I had the opportunity once to watch John draw the Scarlet Witch and it was amazing seeing her slowly emerge on the paper. I'm surprised people like Paul Smith based on that example that was posted. It looks terrible to me, like some high school kid who was tracing a comic book but got all the proportions screwed up. Can someone post more by him to straighten me out?
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Dec 4, 2011 16:49
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Pacra posted:You don't even have to go back that far. What we need is one issue where we just see Xavier pumping iron in his chair. Just panels and panels of him sweating and cranking out reps and sets on various machines with no explanation while pausing every now and then to shout out telepathic orders through a portable cerebro.
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Dec 5, 2011 14:11
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I don't think there's a single thing that is not unsettling about this cover.
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Dec 8, 2011 01:55
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Wow, that combination of the face of an 8 year old and the butt-tits pose of a Liefeld character is exceptionally unsettling.
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Dec 8, 2011 02:42
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Internet Wizard posted:Wow, that combination of the face of an 8 year old and the butt-tits pose of a Liefeld character is exceptionally unsettling. 
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Dec 8, 2011 03:07
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I never really understood the love that some people give Art Adams, his women are consistently horrible to the point of looking disfigured.
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Dec 8, 2011 03:23
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Dacap posted:I never really understood the love that some people give Art Adams, his women are consistently horrible to the point of looking disfigured. Really? I've been an Art Adams fan since the late '80s, and always thought drawing cute women was one of his specialties. But that's an awful cover -- something about her face reminds me more of recent Howard Chaykin than Adams' classic style. I also didn't realize she was supposed to be a kid at first, since I haven't been following that storyline, but she did look "off."
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Dec 8, 2011 03:31
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Really? I've been an Art Adams fan since the late '80s, and always thought drawing cute women was one of his specialties. But that's an awful cover -- something about her face reminds me more of recent Howard Chaykin than Adams' classic style. She's actually supposed to be a kid? Because those curves say otherwise and I'm weirded out by the whole situation.
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Dec 8, 2011 03:35
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Internet Wizard posted:the butt-tits pose of a Liefeld character oh it's not just Liefeld. check out that tumblr I posted a little while up. 
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Dec 8, 2011 03:40
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The face looks fine if you are going for the look of an 8 year old. The body though. There is so much wrong with that face on that body. Honestly, it's almost as if artist can no longer draw the female form without it having it be a certain way. Doesn't matter if it's an 8 year old or 98 year old, they must all have the body of a 20 year old swimsuit model!
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Dec 8, 2011 03:59
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fritz posted:oh it's not just Liefeld. check out that tumblr I posted a little while up. Yeah, that logo says Spider-Girl, but my brain just sees that as Spider-Man doing something very wrong. That's not how you use webbing Spider-Man! 
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Dec 8, 2011 04:51
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Some Bruce Timm here for art of the better kind: Could be just me, but when I realize my own expression is matching that of the character on the page, that's a sign that the artist did well. For some reason, it's the woman in the background that gets me even more than Conan.
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Dec 10, 2011 03:27
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fritz posted:oh it's not just Liefeld. check out that tumblr I posted a little while up. This is why I could never get into Spider-Girl. After reading Spider-Man for so long seeing the classic costume (mostly) on a teenage girl felt a little too much like taboo fetish fan-fiction.
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Dec 10, 2011 06:37
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:I also didn't realize she was supposed to be a kid at first, since I haven't been following that storyline, but she did look "off." Where did you read that she was supposed to be a kid?
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Dec 10, 2011 06:47
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Rhyno posted:Where did you read that she was supposed to be a kid? The two posts above mine, plus the "Children's Crusade" title made me think it was a story about superheroes transforming into little kid versions of themselves. It wasn't?
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Dec 10, 2011 07:02
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Art Adams haters can step out. Not one of his better pieces, though.
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Dec 10, 2011 07:20
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:The two posts above mine, plus the "Children's Crusade" title made me think it was a story about superheroes transforming into little kid versions of themselves. No, it is not. The Children's Crusade title has to do with the Young Avengers.
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Dec 10, 2011 07:27
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Codependent Poster posted:Art Adams haters can step out. What would be one his better pieces then?
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Dec 10, 2011 07:35
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Terror Sweat posted:What would be one his better pieces then?      The last one is a GOOD example of how that Scarlet Witch cover should have come out. Codependent Poster fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Dec 10, 2011 |
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Dec 10, 2011 08:13
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Codependent Poster posted:It looks like he used the same layout for that and the Scarlet Witch.
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Dec 10, 2011 08:16
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Rhyno posted:It looks like he used the same layout for that and the Scarlet Witch. Yep, one was published and the other wasn't. So that's probably why the Scarlet Witch cover looks worse than his usual stuff, and worse than the Magik image. Another: 
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Dec 10, 2011 08:20
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Codependent Poster posted:Yep, one was published and the other wasn't. So that's probably why the Scarlet Witch cover looks worse than his usual stuff, and worse than the Magik image.
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Dec 10, 2011 08:24
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It just seems to be his style. It's the rounded faces. Look how Dazzler compares with the other X-Women.
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Dec 10, 2011 09:12
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Mazed posted:Some Bruce Timm here for art of the better kind: Could I get an issue number or some context on this one? the expressions are delightful.
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Dec 10, 2011 11:34
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Breetai posted:Could I get an issue number or some context on this one? the expressions are delightful. That's from Conan's Favourite Joke, a short 4 page or so thing, which google tells me is in this issue of Conan. It's a great little comic.
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Dec 10, 2011 13:50
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Codependent Poster posted:Yep, one was published and the other wasn't. So that's probably why the Scarlet Witch cover looks worse than his usual stuff, and worse than the Magik image. She looks like she's about to tip over. That's not even an "action" or "sexy" pose. That's an "I'm precariously balanced and about to hit the floor" pose.
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Dec 10, 2011 16:18
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Internet Wizard posted:She looks like she's about to tip over. That's not even an "action" or "sexy" pose. That's an "I'm precariously balanced and about to hit the floor" pose. No, no, it's a perfectly realistic "gently caress, metal armour is heavy." pose.
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Dec 10, 2011 16:32
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So I bought "Creepy Presents: Bernie Wrightson" off Amazon while looking for a nice horror comic to read and I have to say his art is incredible. I'm not sure if he's been posted in the thread yet or not, but I doubt anyone would be too angry with him being posted again. This first one is from his comic adaptation of Frankenstein.  The second from a story called "Jenifer" 
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Internet Wizard posted:She looks like she's about to tip over. That's not even an "action" or "sexy" pose. That's an "I'm precariously balanced and about to hit the floor" pose. That'll happen when someone makes your metal leg significantly shorter than your regular leg. It's a common problem with that freakish hip-sway that comic artists love to put on ladies.
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