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Dr Christmas posted:Plus no one says "Happy __________" for any other holiday on the days leading up to it, let alone for a month in advance. Advent lasts a month, so gently caress you  e: Going to go around saying "Merry Lent" and "Happy Good Friday" next year.
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Sarion posted:Advent lasts a month, so gently caress you
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Kosmonaut posted:I was getting ready to be really flattered until I hovered the link I was expecting Isaac Newton.
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jojoinnit posted:Ramadan is also a month. More obscure, but Jews have a period called Omer which lasts 39 days and ends in the holiday of Shavuos. Christians are missing out with these one day affairs.
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Lent is before Easter. It's 40 days of self-denial.
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Thenipwax posted:It's the same idiots that get offended if a company has the audacity to offer support in multiple languages. OH MY GOD! THE PROMPT SAID SAY PRESS 1 FOR ENGLISH! BOYCOTT!!!! HOW DARE THEY HAVE CUSTOMERS THAT DON'T SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE THAT I SPEAK! I live in Korea and am thankful every time I go to an ATM and see that little "English" button, or when it's on a website, or a phone option, or. Basically go gently caress yourself if having things available in multiple languages offends you. It's a godsend when you're living in another country and haven't been there for the years needed to get functional in the language.
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myron_cope posted:The "America was founded as a CHRISTIAN NATION" bothers me so much. It expressly wasn't. When they were writing the Constitution they could have easily said "hey guys, we're a Christian nation" instead of having to decipher clues that they may or may not have written in private letters or whatever bullshit people point to. Bullshit like this is why I want to keep a copy of the text of the Treaty of Tripoli in my pocket at all times.
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Sarion posted:I have had a few too. Though in my experience if you do nothing it continues in English after a second or two. I used to work in a call center that had a prompt that went like this: "Press 1 for English, 2 for Spanish, 3 for German, 4 for French, and 5 for Italian". However, the system would only give you like a split second to answer after the last option, and since it was designed like poo poo, it would then default to the English line. So I always got very angry and confused Italian people screaming "PRONTO??!? PRONTOOOO?!?!?!" into my ear
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myron_cope posted:The "America was founded as a CHRISTIAN NATION" bothers me so much. It expressly wasn't. When they were writing the Constitution they could have easily said "hey guys, we're a Christian nation" instead of having to decipher clues that they may or may not have written in private letters or whatever bullshit people point to. Doesn't the Constitution of Ireland mention Christ as the ultimate authority or something? Not that I'm commenting on the current state of Ireland or anything, just the mindset of the people writing the constitution, meaning it was "ok" to specifically mention Christ if you wanted your nation to go in that direction.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Doesn't the Constitution of Ireland mention Christ as the ultimate authority or something? Not that I'm commenting on the current state of Ireland or anything, just the mindset of the people writing the constitution, meaning it was "ok" to specifically mention Christ if you wanted your nation to go in that direction. Of course, they could have written it anyway they wanted. Not only did they not include God in the Constitution, and expressly forbid religious tests to hold office, and protect religious freedoms with the first Amendment; but like Nth Doctor pointed out, they ratified a treaty that expressly says "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" less than a decade after writing the Constitution. The Treaty was written by George Washington's administration, signed by President John Adams, and I can only imagine that a number of the Senators that ratified it were also "Founding Fathers". They were not at all ambiguous on the matter.
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This was recently linked on my Facebook -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bavou_SEj1E&feature=share Followed by a string of comments (mostly from family) such as: - Thank you Government Entitlement Policies, you can claim absolute success of your programs. - Who's gonna pay for all my kids? - Isn't that what uncle Sammy is for? They expect more than holiday appearances. It bugs the poo poo out of me that these people will use one video, featuring one person who does fit the "welfare queen" stereotype and apply it to welfare / entitlement programs as a whole. I have started a few responses but I always end up just angrily ranting rather than saying anything coherent or knowing any studies to show.
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Asnorban posted:This was recently linked on my Facebook -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bavou_SEj1E&feature=share That person doesn't fit the welfare queen stereotype though. The welfare queen stereotype was carefully constructed racebaiting that included the fact that the person was living the life of luxury on the government dime.
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Dec 7, 2011 16:48
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Asnorban posted:This was recently linked on my Facebook -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bavou_SEj1E&feature=share I haven't had a chance to watch the video yet (in a meeting), but from what I can tell, if liberals had their way she would have never gotten to that point in the first place.
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Chunk posted:That person doesn't fit the welfare queen stereotype though. The welfare queen stereotype was carefully constructed racebaiting that included the fact that the person was living the life of luxury on the government dime. Right you are. So this is just someone who wants to live the life of luxury on the government dime. In their minds this is the same thing. Also holy poo poo the comments.
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Asnorban posted:Right you are. So this is just someone who wants to live the life of luxury on the government dime. In their minds this is the same thing. Finally watched it. And I do honestly feel there is something wrong with her, not sure what, but at some point society seriously failed this woman. She should have never gotten to that point, but she did. And all she wants are clothes, food, and shelter. On the one hand, her demands that someone else take care of her kids is crazy, but on the other hand, how is she supposed to? No job she would ever get will cover the cost of putting those kids in daycare, much less feed, clothe and shelter them. In anycase, on the welfare issue, the only statistics I know of come from a Congressional study in 1994. Yes that means the data is very outdated, but at the same time, the stereotype of people on welfare has been around since at least the 1980's. And it wasn't accurate in 1994 either. 39% of recipients are white; 37% are black. 80% of them were on it for less than 5 years.* 90% of them have only 1-3 kids. About the only stereotype that is correct, is that they are almost always in a single parent home (85%). * - Welfare reform in the late '90s limits people to 5 years total for their lifetime, so this figure would be closer to 100% now. Ultimately, she is in no way an accurate representation of people who receive assistance, but that doesn't matter. She reinforces their world view and they love to hate her for it.
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Sarion posted:Finally watched it. And I do honestly feel there is something wrong with her, not sure what, but at some point society seriously failed this woman. She should have never gotten to that point, but she did. And all she wants are clothes, food, and shelter. On the one hand, her demands that someone else take care of her kids is crazy, but on the other hand, how is she supposed to? No job she would ever get will cover the cost of putting those kids in daycare, much less feed, clothe and shelter them. I don't have the actual study on hand, but a media analysis showed that although a third of welfare recipients are black, a full 2/3rds of media representations (newspaper photos, videos, etc) of welfare recipients are black.
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Asnorban posted:This was recently linked on my Facebook -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bavou_SEj1E&feature=share This video completely destroys its own point. Notice she had 15 kids despite our "welfare state" giving her basically jack poo poo, it still didn't destroy the will of someone to have over a dozen kids. Some people are just jackasses regardless, kids shouldn't suffer for it.
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I overheard someone on the Metrorail today retelling the story of the socialist college class. You know, the one where the professor (who may or may not be a bear) agrees to let his class be graded according to SOCIALISM and the average drops to a D by the 3rd test, etc, etc. He attributed it to "a friend told me this story..." I naturally thought of this thread right away and was torn between laughter and  Guess this makes up for never getting amusing forwards - I get to hear them in real life!
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Asnorban posted:This was recently linked on my Facebook -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bavou_SEj1E&feature=share You could point out this is the alternative: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/07/us/woman-seeking-food-stamps-shoots-her-children.html?_r=1&ref=us 
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Asnorban posted:This was recently linked on my Facebook -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bavou_SEj1E&feature=share I saw this on a friend's wall followed by a string of comments with no less than three people calling for forced sterilization of welfare recipients. One person was "conflicted" about the idea but decided it would be for the best. 
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chesh posted:You could point out this is the alternative: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/07/us/woman-seeking-food-stamps-shoots-her-children.html?_r=1&ref=us They'd probably applaud it as one less violent welfare queen mooching off the taxpayer's dime.
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When I get the "I know one family member or I saw a person abusing welfare" defense, I ask them at what cost and then demonstrate how florida lost money drug testing everyone, and that was just on the testing and not on the costs associated with it's implementation. And then I ask them if it would be ok if these stricter implementation rules ended up preventing a person, who was unlucky and lost their job, and had three kids, and wanted nothing more than to get off of welfare, but needed the help to prevent his kids from starving from getting any assistance or took so long cutting through the red tape that one of the kids died. Then I wrap it up with every system will have it's abusers, but when you prevent one honest person from receiving benefits, you have gone to far. Also, isn't that money and effort better spent improving the program so people get off of it faster?
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Thanks for all the replies. Still debating whether to respond or not since it is family and not friends / acquaintances.
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Asnorban posted:Thanks for all the replies. Still debating whether to respond or not since it is family and not friends / acquaintances. Respond calmly and with facts. Anecdotes and ignorance of facts loves an oppositionless echo-chamber more than anything. You might not convince anyone off the bat, but responding to mistruths with facts in a calm manner consistently seems to work best for me. It takes time though, people ingrain this stuff into themselves pretty deep.
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I would reply, and at the very least they might stop sending you that horseshit.
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Kosmonaut posted:I was getting ready to be really flattered until I hovered the link Airconswitch posted:I was expecting Isaac Newton. 
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Armyman25 posted:Lent is before Easter. It's 40 days of self-denial. I used to be Catholic and I still don't understand Lent at all. Is it really just Catholics giving up soda for a month so they can feel self righteous about "sacrificing" like Christ did?
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I think it has to do with Jesus spending 40 days in the wilderness before he began his ministry. There is also the self-denial that ends with Jesus' resurrection being more on point. Self-denial is a pretty common thing among a lot of religions, look at Ramadan.
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Grand Fromage posted:I live in Korea and am thankful every time I go to an ATM and see that little "English" button, or when it's on a website, or a phone option, or. These people aren't even offended that the other options exist. They're literally offended because they have to press a button to get English, when it should be the default and those lazy immigrants should have to do the extra work to get their crazy moon language.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I used to be Catholic and I still don't understand Lent at all. Is it really just Catholics giving up soda for a month so they can feel self righteous about "sacrificing" like Christ did? No one really thinks that, but the symbolism is what matters.
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Dominion posted:These people aren't even offended that the other options exist. They're literally offended because they have to press a button to get English, when it should be the default and those lazy immigrants should have to do the extra work to get their crazy moon language. I disagree, a lot of times you don't have to press one you just have to listen to "para espanol..." for 3 seconds and not press anything. At least in my area people literally are offended that the option exists for non English. Its an extension of the "ITS AMURICA LEARN ENGLISH" argument.
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Yeah, I've never encountered something where I had to take an action to get english. PARA ESPANOL OPRIMA NUMERO DOS, wait a couple seconds, "thank you for calling blah blah blah" seems to be rule around here (missouri).
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Asnorban posted:Followed by a string of comments (mostly from family) such as: http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/08/98_of_florida_welfare_applicants_pass_newly_implemented_drug_tests_discrediting_governor.html Meanwhile, the governor (through his wife) owns $62 million in stock options in the company that does the testing. He is profiting like a bandit on his own legislation.
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Wow, saving for inevitable chain email responses. Its almost like there were some stereotypes in play...I wonder what to real world breakdown is of the correlation between your net worth and amount of 
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quote:I imagine a lot of people were shocked at the college pepper spray incident a bit ago but you'd have to be completely crazy to not support the police on that if you bother to find out what really happened. The media is pretty good at editing video to make suport thier reporting of lies and half truths. Anyone know what on Earth this guy's talking about? I assume he means that video from UC Davis. Edit: Oh, he managed to dig up the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhPdH3wE0_Y Wanderer fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Dec 8, 2011 |
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Taking a break from writing a paper to look at Facebook, and run into these:  Accompanying these images were comments by my Randite friend and all of his ultra conservative friends to the effect that they wondered whether dumb leftists would even get the point. I look at them and am astonished that anyone can be so stupid as to make these or to agree with them. It's moments like that when I really begin to seriously think the American experiment is beyond recovery.
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Wanderer posted:Anyone know what on Earth this guy's talking about? I assume he means that video from UC Davis. Still doesn't justify the excessive force involved.
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Keshik posted:It's moments like that when I really begin to seriously think the American experiment is beyond recovery. It most certainly is. I suppose the most productive counter point is if the US mainland was actually invaded by Mongolians and was facing a war that actually threatened us for once, would they support a draft. I mean I'm pretty resiliently anti draft but if the ghost armies of Kubla Khan were streaming over the Canadian border now with tanks instead of horses I'd probably support it.
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Keshik posted:It's moments like that when I really begin to seriously think the American experiment is beyond recovery. If they can get rich living out in the middle of nowhere on their own: no employees, no goods manufactured/distributed by others, no internet (Government research is wasteful!), no roads. They can't sell their good (or service) to anyone who's livelihood is subsidized by Food Stamps, Medicaid or any other welfare. If they can honestly get rich off nothing but their own hard work, they can keep 100% of it. And they can even use the education they already received at the taxpayer's expense, just because I'm not a total rear end.
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Keshik posted:Taking a break from writing a paper to look at Facebook, and run into these: This proves that if you take a statement, and then take some of the words out, and put other words in, the meaning of the statement can change completely.
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