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So I was discussing Action Comics and Ultimate Spider-man with a friend and we kind of broached the subject of "what if they made Superman black or otherwise non-white in this reboot". I'm not saying they should've done that, but the in-story reasons for why it wouldn't work are pretty much non-existent since he's an alien from a planet that I assume isn't populated entirely by white people, and is adopted to boot. The only real argument against it is that it would mess with his iconic look, but there's something to be said for the idea of making the premiere superhero who is also the best superhero that everyone looks up to something other than a square-jawed blue eyed white boy. Anyway it's just a thought that came up. I know if DC had actually done this a bunch of "not-racist" people would have completely flipped their poo poo and boycotted DC, not to mention Fox News and friends running away with it as "the PC police corrupting youth media" but as I said it'd be really hard to explain how anything that makes Superman work would be lost if he didn't just happen to look like a white guy. Thoughts?
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Nov 3, 2011 06:06
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I'm still looking for clues as to the next giant megaplot Morrison's got up his sleeve. I can't find any....
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Nov 3, 2011 06:47
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Only clues I know of were dropped in Doogz interview with Grant. The Legion of Super Heroes and black president Superman will be involved in Action Comics.
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Nov 3, 2011 06:50
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I'm pretty sure the small dude in the first few pgaes of Action Comics #1 is Mxyzptlk, who's the villain of his megaplot. In my interview he said the book was going to be about examining Superman's life from outside time, a "fifth-dimensional perspective," so I kind of clued in to a possible Mxy connection immediately. With Fernil Nyxly as Clark Kent's landlord and the fact that the little guy was like the second character in the designs at the back of Action Comics #2 and described as just "that guy in the elevator" or whatever, I'm fairly confident he's the villain of the piece and is actually Mxyzptlk. I forget where, but Morrison said that we'd already seen the big villain of his arc in #1, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't Guns Grundig.
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Nov 3, 2011 07:40
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Did anyone actually read the bonus material at the end of Action? Specifically the interview with Perez, where he mentions that Clark, Superman and Lois actually have no romantic feelings for each other whatsoever, that the spark between them has never even existed and that they just want to be platonic friends? I really don't like that. I dropped Spiderman once they nuked Peter's marriage, but this is almost worse in a way. I guess we finally have the chance to see how a Superman/Wonder Woman romance may work out now.
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Nov 3, 2011 19:26
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The Goon posted:Did anyone actually read the bonus material at the end of Action? Specifically the interview with Perez, where he mentions that Clark, Superman and Lois actually have no romantic feelings for each other whatsoever, that the spark between them has never even existed and that they just want to be platonic friends? Given how fast writers tend to run out of ideas when they completely split up power couples, I'm willing to bet we'll at least be back to "both have hidden feelings for each other/will-they-wont-they" within a few years. Even faster if sales drop off and DC thinks they can keep readers hooked with romantic tension. Plus, different writers will probably want to do different things with the character. Morrison clearly has his own storylines happening, but it doesn't seem like he's necessarily being given architectual control over the mythos and what occurs in the other books.
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Nov 3, 2011 19:38
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Lurdiak posted:Stuff about a black Superman
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Nov 3, 2011 19:39
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Maybe a stupid question, or maybe even one that's been addressed already, but I had a question about Superman's new armored costume. In several panels in Superman #1 and #2 (even once in Swamp Thing #1), we see Clark in a buttoned shirt with his sleeves rolled up, or with the top few buttons on his shirt undone. My immediate thought was that he can't be hiding his costume under there because (I assume) metal sleeves wouldn't roll up very well. Also his new collar would be visible under the shirt. So my question is: have they done away with the iconic "shirt ripping open to reveal the Superman logo" aspect, and instead have him changing into his costume each time? Maybe he has some sort of device that lets him suddenly have a costume on like GL or the Flash's ring? An example of what I'm talking about from an upcoming Superman:  We don't actually see how he changes. To me, it just seems unlikely that a metal costume would be under that, but maybe I'm just overanalyzing. I'm not complaining about the new costume, I think it's been working well so far, especially in Justice League. I'm just wondering if they changed the way Clark changes into Superman. As for Action #3, I liked it alot. I'm really looking forward to seeing how this plays out, especially learning more about how Brainiac and Myx are involved.
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Nov 3, 2011 20:11
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Maybe Kryptonian battle armor is really flexible?
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Nov 3, 2011 21:10
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lol maybe. Like I said, might be a stupid question...trying to put logic into a comic about an alien god.
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Nov 3, 2011 21:12
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horsepeen posted:We don't actually see how he changes. To me, it just seems unlikely that a metal costume would be under that, but maybe I'm just overanalyzing.
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Nov 3, 2011 21:32
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Superman #2 was much better than #1. Clark wasn't an unlikeable sad sack, Lois wasn't portrayed negatively, and the villain wasn't boring.
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Nov 3, 2011 23:25
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Favorite part of Action #3, unquestionably, was Clark addressing the cops tossing his apartment. "I'm not MAD - I'm just disappointed. You could do so much more with your time, is this really why you became police?" There are many kinds of badass. I would love it if Morrison took over the other book took, taking strong control of the character's past and future. But I'm drat happy with having just the one great Superman book (I haven't read the other one.)
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Nov 4, 2011 03:00
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d00gZ posted:I'm pretty sure the small dude in the first few pgaes of Action Comics #1 is Mxyzptlk, who's the villain of his megaplot. In my interview he said the book was going to be about examining Superman's life from outside time, a "fifth-dimensional perspective," so I kind of clued in to a possible Mxy connection immediately. With Fernil Nyxly as Clark Kent's landlord and the fact that the little guy was like the second character in the designs at the back of Action Comics #2 and described as just "that guy in the elevator" or whatever, I'm fairly confident he's the villain of the piece and is actually Mxyzptlk. I forget where, but Morrison said that we'd already seen the big villain of his arc in #1, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't Guns Grundig. Here's something that was bothering me about that guy - why was he holding Glenmorgan's tie when he was leaving the building in #1? I thought that might be a clue to his identity or plan. And am I the only one who thinks Clark's source is Luthor? After all, Lex would know Clark would be idealistic enough to keep after Glenmorgan, and it's a way for him to manipulate someone else to take down his competition. Using a classical reference as his code word for Glenmorgan is another classic Luthor touch. Unless this is all completely obvious to everyone, I thought it was a strong possibility.
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Nov 6, 2011 21:51
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Liberal Idiot posted:And am I the only one who thinks Clark's source is Luthor? After all, Lex would know Clark would be idealistic enough to keep after Glenmorgan, and it's a way for him to manipulate someone else to take down his competition. Using a classical reference as his code word for Glenmorgan is another classic Luthor touch. Unless this is all completely obvious to everyone, I thought it was a strong possibility. I was wondering about that. Lex Luthor using Clark to secure himself in Metropolis would be pretty good twist and a nice way to intertwine those characters (it always adds to them when they pull that kind of stuff off). Also, its a simple thing but a detail like Clark's dufflebag having the Smallville Crows logo from Smallville is a nice touch.
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Nov 6, 2011 22:20
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Would he really care all that much though? At the end of the day, he's still taking down a very bad corrupt rear end in a top hat.
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Nov 7, 2011 03:57
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horsepeen posted:We don't actually see how he changes. To me, it just seems unlikely that a metal costume would be under that, but maybe I'm just overanalyzing. I read an interview somewhere that said Superman carries around something called a "Power Morpher" now. (no I didn't)
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Nov 9, 2011 06:37
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I still liked Action Comics #4, but felt it was a bit of a dip from the prior 3 - big long fight scene will do that though. Lovin' the new design for Brainiac - he looks like the appendix to something much bigger than himself. A friend had a theory that Brainiac doesn't have a shrink ray - he is just THIS drat huge. I don't think it'll hold up, but it's a fun thought. Anyone else get a copy where Superman was wearing a white shirt all the way throughout? I thought that was... odd.
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Dec 8, 2011 09:15
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Magic Love Hose posted:Anyone else get a copy where Superman was wearing a white shirt all the way throughout? I thought that was... odd. Yeah, talk about a major coloring gently caress-up. The entire "working Superman" costume design rests on the iconic blue shirt, and you go and mess that up?
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Dec 8, 2011 09:17
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Magic Love Hose posted:Anyone else get a copy where Superman was wearing a white shirt all the way throughout? I thought that was... odd. I was thrown for a loop when I saw the last page say "Continued in Action Comics #7". I knew that Kubert was going to join Morrison for a couple issues, but I didn't think it'd mean the main story would get the brakes thrown on it. I wonder how it'll all fit together, given that it's already taking place in the past, and the solicits say that the issues will feature the Legion of Super Heroes. Maybe some kind of flash-forward?
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Dec 8, 2011 09:44
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So, who else thinks Steel's outfit is kinda dumb looking? I get that since it's his debut, and since Action takes place years before the "present", that when he next appears he'll probably look different, but reading the issue I couldn't help but look at his Cyborg-esque half helmet and think "Why the gently caress aren't you covering your head, Irons?"
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Dec 8, 2011 10:22
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Is that myth Steel kept referring to well known? I had to look it up. It seemed to assume you'd already have culturally ingrained knowledge of this steel driver guy, but I guess the story never really left the states. edit: in the Comixology version I read the shirt looks blue sometimes    but then, not  ee: Here's a screenshot Comicvine had.  Which definitely makes it look like there's been a partial correction in the digital comic. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 11:45 on Dec 8, 2011 |
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Dec 8, 2011 11:28
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Teenage Fansub posted:Is that myth Steel kept referring to well known? I had to look it up. I'm in Canada and we learned all about him. It's a pretty powerful black story.
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Dec 8, 2011 18:10
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Teenage Fansub posted:Is that myth Steel kept referring to well known? I had to look it up. We definitely have culturally ingrained knowledge of John Henry in the states. It's safe to assume just about anyone reading it in America (or Canada, apparently) would understand the reference.
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Dec 8, 2011 18:19
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Sefer posted:We definitely have culturally ingrained knowledge of John Henry in the states. It's safe to assume just about anyone reading it in America (or Canada, apparently) would understand the reference. I can't believe I never made the John Henry/Steel connection before reading that issue. Even just being peripherally aware of the character should have been like "doy", it's about as subtle as the Hate Monger's purple KKK outfit, or the Hank Henshaw/Reed Richards parallel.
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Dec 8, 2011 18:56
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Teenage Fansub posted:Is that myth Steel kept referring to well known? I had to look it up. That seriously makes him look like that older TAS-era Supergirl design.
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Dec 8, 2011 18:58
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You know, I kind of like that color on him.
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Dec 8, 2011 19:36
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Semper Fudge posted:You know, I kind of like that color on him. I actually do too - I just thought it was odd that he switches to this shirt with no real explanation. If they were going to radically redo Superman's costume, white would be a great sub for blue (though he'd just look like Good Plutonian, at this stage.) I'm not American but I've heard the legend of John Henry before, and I really do like Steel - or more precisely I like the idea of Steel, as a man who is inspired by Superman, but not to the point that he's a knockoff of Superman. He sort of puts the lie to the notion that no one could really be inspired by Superman because Superman's heroics come from his inborne power - Steel doesn't have any powers asides from being comic-book-smart. But asides from 52 I've never read a Steel story that really gripped me, though if they're going to make him this prominent going in that might change. Does anyone have any recommendations?
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Dec 8, 2011 21:25
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Magic Love Hose posted:But asides from 52 I've never read a Steel story that really gripped me, though if they're going to make him this prominent going in that might change. Does anyone have any recommendations?
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Dec 8, 2011 21:35
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I've just never shaken the impression that he's Black Tony Stark.
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Dec 9, 2011 04:57
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He's black Iron Man, but personality wise he couldn't be more different than Tony Stark. Anybody else feel like Action Comics would make a great screenplay for a Superman movie?
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Dec 9, 2011 05:29
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Magic Love Hose posted:I still liked Action Comics #4, but felt it was a bit of a dip from the prior 3 - big long fight scene will do that though. Nah, when collecting stuff there's a line about "commence dwarf star lensing" which is how Ray Palmer's shrink stuff works. As for Steel's weird half-helmet he seems to ditch it by the end of the issue so hopefully its completely gone.
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Dec 9, 2011 23:45
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It's reaching, but maybe the white shirt is a reference to his suit at the end of All-Star? They're both Morrison books.
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Dec 9, 2011 23:51
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I think the white shirt just shows that it's not about the colors, but the symbol. He might wear a red shirt or a green shirt before he decides the official look for Superman. Can't wait for the interlude. I bet this is all the Superbama and Legion of Super Heroes stuff Grant teased Doogz with.
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Dec 10, 2011 02:51
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Die Laughing posted:I think the white shirt just shows that it's not about the colors, but the symbol. He might wear a red shirt or a green shirt before he decides the official look for Superman. Yeah, I like the notion that Clark might just have a closet-full of different (cheap) tshirts with the symbol ironed on. It adds to this current look.
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Dec 12, 2011 06:12
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Yannick_B posted:Yeah, I like the notion that Clark might just have a closet-full of different (cheap) tshirts with the symbol ironed on. It adds to this current look. I do too, but it makes even more sense if he made the first one, and once the media circus took hold, from then on Clark bought licensed t-shirts with his symbol on it.
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Dec 12, 2011 09:38
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Today I realize that Metal-Zero is also spelled "Metal-0." It took me nearly a week. I'm a moron.
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Dec 12, 2011 23:36
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Magic Love Hose posted:Today I realize that Metal-Zero is also spelled "Metal-0."
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Dec 13, 2011 00:11
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gently caress. That's almost Weapon X = Weapon 10 poo poo.
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Dec 13, 2011 13:39
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Completely missed Metal-0, derp. Permission to enter the clubhouse.
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