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I keep missing most of Black Mirror only catching "End of Part 1", a bit of part 2, and the last 5/10 minutes. What happened to the lady? Regarding the ending and window vs screen, I thought of that and paid close attention as the camera pulled back. If you look out a window and move around your view changes based on your perspective. As the camera pulled back the view shrunk within the frame. If it were a screen it would be static.
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Szmitten posted:I keep missing most of Black Mirror only catching "End of Part 1", a bit of part 2, and the last 5/10 minutes. What happened to the lady? She got on the talent show, and was told the market was saturated by singers, but she'd make a great porn star, and was basically bullied into doing it by the Simon Cowell style judge after being given a drug called something like Cupliance, which she told her would make her more relaxed, but also meant she would be more easily manipulated by the judges. With hilarious conseqences.
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Dec 12, 2011 14:11
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:Now let's be childish. I sniggered.
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Dec 12, 2011 14:17
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Szmitten posted:I keep missing most of Black Mirror only catching "End of Part 1", a bit of part 2, and the last 5/10 minutes. What happened to the lady? It's up on 4OD already if you want to catch up. She basically ended up working for Wraith - aka post-apocalyptic Babestation, which is why Bing went a bit mental and ended up on the show himself. Eventually buying him own freedom (or illusion or freedom) depending on your interpretations. e: dammit ^
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Dec 12, 2011 14:17
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I thought it was called 'compliance'?
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Szmitten posted:I keep missing most of Black Mirror only catching "End of Part 1", a bit of part 2, and the last 5/10 minutes. What happened to the lady? Cant remember if we have to spoiler it or not She went on Hotshots and was given some kind of drug before performing in a drink that made her more compliant, cant remember its name. Immediately got asked by the new judge Wraith to show her titties, he persisted asking while she was confused, then when she did get to sing judge Hope said she was ok, but theyd had plenty of ok singers and you had to be really special to be a singer these days. Instead they suggested she go with Wraith and become one of his porn star girls, or alternitavely go back to working on the bike. She chose to become a porn star girl because it was better than going to the bike. It was interesting actually cause they made a point of mentioning that they brought Wraith in as a judge to breathe new life to the format, which I guess had been over saturated with average singers.
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Dec 12, 2011 14:18
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After seeing 15 million merits it occurred to me how spectacularly ironic it is that X factor uses as one of it's theme tunes a mix of "lux aeterna", originally written as the main theme to Requiem for a Dream. A film about people sucked inexorably into attractive but ultimately unrealistic and life destroying dreams. Also rear end to rear end
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Dec 12, 2011 14:19
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A5H posted:I thought it was called 'compliance'? Its either Capliance or Cupliance 
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Dec 12, 2011 14:23
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Wait, are all three episodes going to feature sexual degradation in some form? 
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Dec 12, 2011 14:23
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Tampax posted:Its either Capliance or Cupliance Cupliance as in cup-a-soup, but obviously a pun on compliance. For anyone who enjoyed that episode and wants more, obviously check out the classic sci-fi mentioned (1984, Farenheit 451, Brave New World, also maybe The Machine Stops). But as well as that, do yourselves a favour and check out National Quiz. It's a shortish manga (4 volumes) aimed at adults, and it an utterly ludicrous over the top satirical dystopian Sci Fi type...thing. It's much, MUCH sillier and more extreme than 15 million merits, but an absolute blast and well worth a read. It's not licensed outside Japan so I ought to be OK linking a fan translation http://www.mangafox.com/manga/national_quiz/v01/c001/
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Dec 12, 2011 14:29
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blaarghh posted:Is anyone else looking forward to This Is England '88? '86 is back up on 4oD for anyone who didn't watch it. Apparently '88 is going to be very bleak...but hopefully not as outright horrible and disturbing as '86. Light, heartwarming drama isn't really Shane Meadows' thing. Also: Is he directing every episode of this miniseries or splitting duties with the bloke who made Shameless, again?
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Dec 12, 2011 14:39
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Hoops posted:If you install Adblocker then 4oD skips the adverts. I haven't seen an advert on 4oD in over a year, it works great.
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Dec 12, 2011 14:46
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Fatkraken posted:Cupliance as in cup-a-soup, but obviously a pun on compliance. Watch the horrifyingly prophetic Year of the Sex Olympics as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waGcImV1zVg
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Dec 12, 2011 14:48
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Taff posted:Instead they suggested she go with Wraith and become one of his porn star girls, or alternitavely go back to working on the bike. She chose to become a porn star girl because it was better than going to the bike. Well, my reading was that it wasn't so much the judge and their lame-rear end argument, but the entire massive audience shouting at her to do it do it do it.
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Dec 12, 2011 14:52
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That and she was drugged to be compliant.
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Dec 12, 2011 14:59
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cloudchamber posted:Light, heartwarming drama isn't really Shane Meadows' thing. If I remember right there was a clip of Lol and Combo sharing a laugh so I hope they allow him to redeem himself fully at least before more incestual rape 
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Dec 12, 2011 15:02
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I probably preferred that episode to the first one overall, but I'm surprised it hasn't got anywhere near the amount of criticism for being heavy-handed considering it was laid on much, much thicker this time round. Also the last few minutes owed way too much to Network. The overall aesthetic and tone was once again great, though, and it contained a ton of good dystopian ideas.
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Dec 12, 2011 15:08
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I am not convinced by the Cupliance drink. It drugged Abi, but how compliant did it make her? She didn't get her tits out when requested and she wasn't all that into the idea of doing porn, reluctantly agreeing with a feeble "I suppose so". Bing didn't drink it and he complied, apparently a little more readily too. I think the cupliance was a (pretty goofy) metaphor for what I could imagine Konnie describing when she sees people who have a potential taste of fame - a loss of rationality and a giddy "this is it! fame! riches! adoration!" feeling. It must make them more susceptible to doing anything they are told, especially when you have a huge audience cheering for you to do something they want to see you do when you're not sure about it. edit: Also Abi as a near zombie being humiliated doing porn is what Charlie sees when Konnie Huq, and not his Kanak Huq is on TV presenting some bullshit show. Or maybe its how she feels herself. DaWolfey fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Dec 12, 2011 |
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Dec 12, 2011 15:25
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I read it as a metaphor for a release form. Basically something you have to agree to before appearing ensuring that what happens, and the choices that you make, are your own and cannot be attributed to or blamed on the execs. It was just changed to compliance for the purpose of dehumanising the contestants even more and the effect that occurred was the transition to contestant where you feel out of your depth and no longer in control. Edit: Oh, yes, Nathan Barley. Must re-watch that sometime soon, it's been way too long and I totally agree with what was said regarding it.
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Dec 12, 2011 15:36
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Pablo Bluth posted:It took me a while to realise the reason I wasn't seeing adverts was because I was using Ad-Block. I instantly removed it from the Ad-block list; in a Murdoch world, I don't want to deprive C4 of the money it needs. Advertisements don't work like that, you spastic.
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Dec 12, 2011 15:36
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Oh my God; I just finished watching 15 Million Credits. It was incredible. The guy playing the main character should get some sort of award for that speech, that was an incredible piece of acting. The content of the speech was a little trite and heavy handed I suppose but it doesn't make the argument any less valid. Plus it works for the character, of course he's going to do an angry rant. It would have been a million times worse if he'd come on with a constructivist discourse on the nature of man as imagined by Derrida or something. I don't think I've ever willed a character to commit suicide before. That 1984 ending. 'He had won the victory over himself. He loved Hot Shots.' 
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Dec 12, 2011 15:41
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So, female judge? Amanda Holden or Dannii Minogue? From having a partner who loves x-factor type shows I'd guess Amanda Holden. She does that teary eye'd wipe every third act.
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Dec 12, 2011 15:47
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It was the little things that did it for me. Things like the name of the drink, the fact that the shooting game he was playing had him shoot fat cleaners, the reactions from all his various "co-workers" and the ambiguity about whether he escaped.
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Dec 12, 2011 15:50
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Kuno posted:'He had won the victory over himself. He loved Hot Shots.' The penguin makes it bittersweet rather than completely cynical. He's sold out but he hasn't bought into the poo poo he's surrounded by. He knows it's better than the alternative but he doesn't LOVE it; he's given up fighting but he hasn't lost the part of himself that knows it's all poo poo. OK, in some ways that's a worse ending.
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Dec 12, 2011 15:50
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I used to know how to make those origami penguins but now I don't. The most tragic part of the show.
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Dec 12, 2011 15:52
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I like that instead of working out what he was going to say when he got to the judges, he spent all his spare time practising his crazy dance moves.
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Dec 12, 2011 15:55
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Fatkraken posted:The penguin makes it bittersweet rather than completely cynical. He's sold out but he hasn't bought into the poo poo he's surrounded by. He knows it's better than the alternative but he doesn't LOVE it; he's given up fighting but he hasn't lost the part of himself that knows it's all poo poo. Nah, if he kept the origami penguin then that'd be something. Instead he's replaced it. He's busy in denial.
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Dec 12, 2011 16:01
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Also the shard of glass is just a prop now
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Dec 12, 2011 16:03
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Local Group Bus posted:Also the shard of glass is just a prop now Just rewatched the last scene. The ginger kid's Doppel has it's own glass shard and slashing motion. Nice touch.
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Dec 12, 2011 16:06
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Fangz posted:Nah, if he kept the origami penguin then that'd be something. Instead he's replaced it. He's busy in denial. I took it as he couldn't have kept the penguin even if he'd wanted to, and he bought the real one as a reminder of his failure.
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Dec 12, 2011 16:10
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Just rewatched the last scene. The ginger kid's Doppel has it's own glass shard and slashing motion. Nice touch. They should put them up on the xbox marketplace for our avatars. Really get into the whole Doppel thing.
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Ferrosol posted:It was the little things that did it for me. Things like the name of the drink, the fact that the shooting game he was playing had him shoot fat cleaners, the reactions from all his various "co-workers" and the ambiguity about whether he escaped. Also, there were rolling headlines on some of the shows, which were just people's opinons. I guess there was no actual news in that world. I loved the messed up logic that the punishment for a person getting fat was to take them away from the exercise bikes and if they got really fat then it appeared that they were force fed cakes on a gameshow.
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Dec 12, 2011 16:14
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Szmitten posted:Wait, are all three episodes going to feature sexual degradation in some form?
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Dec 12, 2011 17:18
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Charlie Brooker is the Clarkson of the left.
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Dec 12, 2011 17:21
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iPlayer no longer going to block streaming over 3G. That's cool. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2011/12/iplayer_bbciplayer_iphone_android.html quote:BBC iPlayer: iPhone app and 3G streaming across all mobile networks
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Dec 12, 2011 17:21
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Leyburn posted:Charlie Brooker is the Clarkson of the left. Okay, whoa, let's not talk crazy here
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Dec 12, 2011 18:16
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Leyburn posted:Charlie Brooker is the Clarkson of the left. Hmm yes he's certainly a massively popular figure despite saying things that are a bit silly for a living and is globally recognisable so, oh wait.
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Dec 12, 2011 18:38
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cloudchamber posted:[Twilight Zone] had voice over narration to explain the conclusions of every episode to the audience, so Black Mirror might actually be more subtle in comparison. Just wanna go back to this because it's a good example of how subtlety/show don't tell isn't synonymous with smart or good. The voiceover at the end of the twilight zone doesn't just explain the episode it introduces an external judgement, which prevents episodes like The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street from sliding into nihilism - yeah everyone in it is poo poo but the narrator turns that into a possible behaviour pattern that we, like him, can reject. Whereas The National Anthem is just "people are poo poo" with no avenue of escape. Anyway I bring this up because 15 thousand merits was brilliant partly because it was viciously unsubtle - it doesn't pull any punches. (What would the point of a subtle dystopia anyway, surely the point is to draw attention to banal evils by turning up the volume). The "can't turn off the adverts" stuff was one of the most scarily plausible things I've seen in a dystopia.
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So do you think it was a budgetary or creative reason to have only like four things to do in that world? Watch that one porn channel, watch Hot Shots (or ads for Hot Shots), watch fat people be degraded, or shoot virtual fatties. Unless you're on the bike, then you can also look at a rolling road. For people saying it was too overt with it's message, do you not think that's the point? It's supposed to be a very direct parallel with our society? If it were hidden a few layers deep you could easily ignore it, but putting it all out there you can't help but stop and think about your choices. What I'm trying to say is if you watch the X Factor you're an idiot.
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If Brazil was the 1984 for 1984, 15 Million Merits is the 1984 for, er, 2011.
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