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I do think it is mildly dishonest to mix in zoo footage without telling viewers that you're using zoo footage when you're making a show where a large part of the appeal is "holy poo poo, they really went there and saw that" (kind of like a war doco mixing in a sequence that was shot on Salisbury Plain during an exercise), and it does detract quite a bit from the finished product, but it's hardly a horrific scandal for which the perpetrators should be dragged to the stocks and have rotten vegetables thrown at them.
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A5H posted:Who even gives a poo poo? I noticed it on the front pages yesterday, the only response I could muster was, 'so what?' The right-wing press will report literally anything that meets their anti-BBC agenda. See also:http://www.dailyveil.co.uk/news/article-2072307/How-Europhile-BBC-turned-triumph-Britains-veto-disaster.html
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Dec 13, 2011 18:23
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The comments on the Mail site are hilarious, all the down voted ones spouting crap about how the documentary makers make things to suit their Green agenda. Funny to see Mail readers marking the right comments up for once.
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Dec 13, 2011 18:27
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This should not even be a thing. I hate the private media in this country sometimes.
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Dec 13, 2011 18:58
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I really don't understand what the fuss is about. Wasn't it a bit obvious that it wasn't in the wild? It would be literally impossible to A: get that close to a polar bears den without being ripped apart and B: to frame the camera juuuuuust right so that all the cute little cubs are in shot. People should just be thankful that they got to see it at all. It wouldn't look much different in the wild anyway so yet again another small thing has been blown way out of proportion.
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Also, breaking into a polar bear den with a camera and filming newborn baby polar bears is probably really detrimental to their welfare. I imagine any disturbance at that critical time enormously increases the likelihood that the mother will just eat themquote:I do think it is mildly dishonest to mix in zoo footage without telling viewers that you're using zoo footage when you're making a show where a large part of the appeal is "holy poo poo, they really went there and saw that" (kind of like a war doco mixing in a sequence that was shot on Salisbury Plain during an exercise), and it does detract quite a bit from the finished product, but it's hardly a horrific scandal for which the perpetrators should be dragged to the stocks and have rotten vegetables thrown at them. The funny thing is, this kind of thing has probably occurred in nearly every single nature documentary since the beginning of TV. It's just common practice to the extent it is enough of a non issue that the BBC released a video of it nearly a week ago without thinking twice.
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:Then Lord Patten jumps in and points out the only reason this is being covered is because the BBC themselves explained what they did on a video on their own website, and it's been available since the 7th of December. This is the best thing about it to be honest, lazy journalism at its best
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Dec 13, 2011 19:36
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Fatkraken posted:Also, breaking into a polar bear den with a camera and filming newborn baby polar bears is probably really detrimental to their welfare. I imagine any disturbance at that critical time enormously increases the likelihood that the mother will just eat them Attenborough was on Radio 4 this week (I think PM on Thursday or Friday) saying "If you stick a camera into a nest in the wild, the mother will either kill the cubs or the cameraman". They should have mentioned it on the show itself though, either at the time or in Freeze Frame. The reason it's being reported as a "scandal" is definitely to bash the Beeb though.
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Dec 13, 2011 19:48
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Help, I am watching Victorian Farm Christmas and thoroughly enjoying it, even though the woman with the nose is really quite scary and it's basically three people dressed in tweed trying to make hay and failing. Is this better or worse than my insane obsession with the Great British Bake-Off during the autumn?
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Dec 13, 2011 20:08
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Taff posted:This is the best thing about it to be honest, lazy journalism at its best More importantly, what is Clarkson's opinion on whether they should have used the footage?
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Dec 13, 2011 20:10
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cloudchamber posted:The right-wing press will report literally anything that meets their anti-BBC agenda. There was hilarious one where Nigella Lawson was filmed on a bus going to get something from a store. The Daily mail had an article about how it was faked, and the people on the bus were paid extras. Like this shocking revelation would compromise the integrity of a cooking show. The BBC were all "  Of course it wasn't a real bus, getting everyone to sign releases for the footage would have been a pain in the arse" as the mail tried to create some controversy.
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I agree with whoever wanted to believe that the bikes were not actually producing energy in Fifteen Million Merits. Oddly enough it's basically almost exactly the same error as in the Matrix. Except worse, since it misses a much more disturbing explanation that's consistent with nearly everything else in the plot. Let me paint a picture here: This is the beautiful future we were all hoping for. Automation has brought about the ability to bring people material wealth they could barely even dream of themselves. Maybe the only resource that has grown more expensive over time is human attention: No matter how much the production of everything else can be amplified, each human only has so many minutes of attention to give each day. In fact, automation has not only made it so that people don't need to work, it has made it so that most just don't. There's always a cost to employing a human being, if not for a minimum wage law then the simple transaction costs of employment. Computer programs and devices just do everything cheaper than people do. Only the most talented and driven are even able to seek work in the first place, let alone get it. We're not savages in this beautiful future, though. We've learned to take care of each other. The government provides for the unemployed - and not just by giving them cheap food and amenities. No, we understand that life is a holistic experience enjoyed through both mind and body... and we also understand that people aren't fully rational about their decisions. So the government provides people both the means and the financial incentive to stay in good physical shape (the means being one that's difficult to fake and easy for the government to keep track of). The unemployed shelter provides both privacy in the bedrooms, and plentiful daily human contact and opportunity for friendship and love. It gives everyone the chance at a stable, safe, secure life. And it does so cheaply. Contracts with major advertisers for the production of human attention allow the welfare system to nearly fund its own operation fully, for the comparatively minor downside of people occasionally having to be distracted. There are, of course, some who have second thoughts about things like TV shows where fat people are force-fed cake. But nobody's disputing the connection between good health and happiness, nor the social incentive that those shows provide. Calls to improve the welfare system fall on deaf ears, mostly because it would make all of the unemployed more wealthy - and the vast majority of the population, those on the bikes, dearly guard their position and don't want society to support the people who have it even worse than they do. (note that this is not all just fake-positive, this explanation does imply some real, honest upsides to this future. For one, the people who actually work likely will have enormously high incomes and live lives of indescribable luxury. Yes, even the porn stars. They spend a couple of hours each week getting degraded on TV and live in big houses overlooking magnificent natural vistas the rest of the time. And even the unemployed do get to have it better, at least materially, than if they had to starve or die of infectious disease or turn to crime or something.)
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Dec 13, 2011 20:19
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Episode 6 of Mongrels has finally been uploaded, and my god it was worth the wait.
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Oh god this woman is terrible. I don't think she's a bad person at all, but she has no idea what effect the stuff she says is having on this poor girl. She's desperate for her daughter to be ashamed of her and be hosed up because of her job (or fishing for the daughter to deny it), but she's just not, the kid is far more damaged by her mum trying to control her than anything to do with the mum's actual lifestyle. gently caress, this kid is ten times as mature as her own mother. I feel bad for the poor woman.
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Maths is gonna have to be put on hold until we can work out what treacologically is. I'm astounded the girl is this lady's daughter! The mother has so many issues and such terrible self esteem it's amazing the daughter's even relatively normal. I feel so sorry for her... "Georgie will probably end up having a boob job one day." "Why? I don't want one" "Why?" Pelican Street fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Dec 13, 2011 |
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A5H posted:Who even gives a poo poo? I noticed it on the front pages yesterday, the only response I could muster was, 'so what?' At least the BBC didn't break into those polar bears' voicemail, which is a lot more than can be said for the gutter press.
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Dec 13, 2011 21:52
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Duke of Straylight posted:Yeah definitely the realistic explanation for the setting is it's an advertising funded workhouse in a situation of high structural employment but I'm glad they didn't make that explicit because it's also a great stand in for the rat-race in general and how constant scrambling to make ends meet destroys people's empathy. Also since we're still discussing subtlety the scary-but-believable thing that's never mentioned is the complete lack of privacy that goes hand in hand with the voyeurism of the reality tv era. From that daily mail guy watching porn in the bike room to everyone's actions showing up on their avatars when they were in their rooms.
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Dec 13, 2011 22:02
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Scraphead Orchestra. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b017zn47/Scrapheap_Orchestra/ A band of professional instrument makers are given 11 weeks to make instruments out of scrap material, so that the BBC Orchestra can play them at the Proms. Early on it suffers a bit from OMG! DRAMA! (in this case, repetition of "Nobody has done this before!" and "Our careers are at stake!") but I found it a diverting 90 minutes.
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Fatkraken posted:holy poo poo do not turn on BBC 3 right now. My jaw is on the floor. First this, now Big Fat Gypsy Christmas, a night of sickeningly trashy TV is complete.
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Dec 13, 2011 22:09
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An economist on Newsnight today said this: "this isn't chart porn, it's chart manga, revealing information and telling stories". She pronounced "manga" correctly too.
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Mr. Squishy posted:An economist on Newsnight today said this: "this isn't chart porn, it's chart manga, revealing information and telling stories". Our Economists are pirating Japanese and Korean comics instead of advising the sinking ship of our economy. You know it makes sense. I bet they are even playing World of Warcraft and getting into Heroin.
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TheVertigoOfBliss posted:So apparently This is England '88 starts tomorrow night. This crept up on me, a bit. The last 4 parter was pretty good and really built towards the end so im looking foward to it It was okay last night, not much happened but I guess the function was to set stuff up. I think it'll be depressing by the end or it wouldn't be Shane Meadows!
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Dec 14, 2011 18:59
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One thing I don't understand on the This is England series is why the gang tolerates the moustached guy and the guy with the flat clap and glasses hanging around still. They both attended the Nation Front meeting, robbed the Asian guy's shop, popped the Asian Kid's football and they were both present for Combo beating up Milky and did nothing to stop it. Despite all this, the rest of the non-racist characters have no problem with them hanging around, even Milky doesn't. They seem to be completely different characters in the series and are just comedy relief, whereas they were set up in the film as being racists.
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Dec 14, 2011 21:55
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In general the series has very little resemblance to the film except for the characters obviously. I'm still a bit confused as to why it made the move to TV, as a self contained unit it worked well. Also this week's episode was horribly awkward.
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Dec 14, 2011 22:16
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SeanBeansShako posted:Him And Her, was seven episodes comissions or eight? Your post reminded me I haven't seen this weeks episode. Jesus loving Christ, was that hard to watch. And it just kept getting worse.
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FAT WORM OF ERROR posted:One thing I don't understand on the This is England series is why the gang tolerates the moustached guy and the guy with the flat clap and glasses hanging around still. I imagine they were shocked into reforming their ways after witnessing what happened with Combo and Milky. Combo had a cult of personality amongst that group and they were more conforming with what he was doing than actually believing in it. Though they have less of an excuse than Shaun and Gadget since they were just kids.
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You're thinking about it too hard. They shoe horned pretty much every character they could from the film into the TV show whether they fit or not.
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Anyone else been watching Masterchef? It's been pretty amazing this series. Ash is obviously going to win but I've got a soft spot for  .
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SeanBeansShako posted:Him And Her, was seven episodes comissions or eight? Seven, but Tovey hinted a third series has been commissioned already. It was actually my favourite episode of the series.
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Akuma posted:Didn't the one with the glasses die in the last series? No, he had a heart attack on the toilet and they go to see him in hospital at some point during '86 The character consistency is iffy as gently caress though, from the film anyway. I think the logic is, Woody used to be in a gang with Combo who goes inside, then rejoins the gang, and uh they don't mind the two racist old bastards on the wrong end of 40 hanging around with the kids because they're part of the gang man!!! Yeah I have no idea, I only like Woody now. And the bloke who takes the piss out of everything (isn't he Harvey? Isn't he Shaun's mortal enemy in the film?)
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Well now because she's pregnant. Before... Yeah if you don't know of couples like Paul and Laura then, well, they do exist.
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This is England '88: gently caress Shaun. I know he's pretty much the main character and I really felt for him in the movie, but he's such a whiny unlikable little poo poo in this series. gently caress you Shaun.
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incredible bear posted:Well now because she's pregnant. Before... Yeah if you don't know of couples like Paul and Laura then, well, they do exist. I know Laura is a horrible character, but I have a morbid feeling at the way things are going it'll end up in a Crimewatch situation. Also, while channel surfing to Military History I caught an add break when they started playing one of the trailers for their 'Geee, lets look at this old stuff it is history right?' shows when I saw Rory McGrath. Looking into the history of the local pubs and the beer in the country. Lucky sod.
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Mowglis Haircut posted:This is England '88: gently caress Shaun. I know he's pretty much the main character and I really felt for him in the movie, but he's such a whiny unlikable little poo poo in this series. gently caress you Shaun. Yeah he is the most miserable oval office ever. He's even miserable when he's trading in gonky Smell for a better model. I laughed riotously at his misery after the sex scene. He worked this way in the film as he was a young lad coping badly with the loss of his dad in a new town but he's just a petulant brat now. Considering his mum has had her shopkeeper boyfriend for two years he's still narky over it? Is he a racist after all? Never cracking a smile in general? We're supposed to think he's doing well in drama college when he only shows one emotion and it happens to be "sulky"? Get to gently caress, son! I'm not finding Lol that likeable either but at least in last night's episode she said nice things about her little boy, she seemed cold to him in the first one. She sure doesn't care about what Combo did to Milky, does she? As long as you understand her you can beat one of her best mates / love interests / father of her child half to death. Hopefully Woody spends all of tonight's episode calling people cunts too, because most of them would deserve it.
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