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Rorac posted:Are there any, and I mean *any* otherkin people out there that are not pants on head retarded? For context's purposes I'll admit I'm otherkin and even from my perspective I see this poo poo and I just think You seem pretty down-to-earth for someone who believes in something associated purely with internet crazies, would you be willing to talk about it more? It would be interesting to hear this stuff from a more sober perspective.  Do you see it as a faulty wiring in your brain you just have to deal with or do you believe that people really can have the spirit of a non-human thing? If so, how does that work? I've always wondered why otherkin think they have the spirit of an animal while they clearly have human thoughts, emotions, behaviour and so on. I understand identifying with an animal or having animal-like urges but I have yet to hear of someone with a dog's soul trying to eat his own poop, puke it up and eat it again. They always choose the more romantic animals/mythical beings and their cooler characteristics to identify themselves with, which is a thoroughly human behaviour.
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la_fausse_tortue posted:Wow, 12 kids? I think that's crazy enough on its own. Summer's marriage with Piccolo and their 12 children Actually, I can't remember how many she had. It was at least 12. Or 18. I remember we joked that she for sure had enough for a baseball team. Since Summer had Namekian and Saiyan blood from all those blood transfusions she had to get from Piccolo and Goku whenever she fought an enemy and almost died, she was part Namek and Saiyan, which meant that her pregnancies went super fast, of course! Unlike Denise, Summer didn't have any morning sickness or any of the normal pregnancy symptoms that tend to interfere with life. Except for her Super Babies kicking her and causing enormous pain every time, because that's what she thought kicking babies felt like. Her "labor" also went super fast, like maybe a half hour. Summer also had several adopted children because every time she read a fanfic, Piccolo's kids in the story became GAs in real life. And she had to adopt them. This happened even with media that had nothing to do with Piccolo or even anime; after she saw A.I., the kid in the movie (I guess his name was David?) was her GA and she adopted him. I only remember 4 of her many, many children, and that's because as soon as she had them she almost never mentioned them again. Since I really believe that she thought this stuff was real, she made a pretty terrible mom. And I actually thought this at the time and sometimes asked her what her children were up to. But then, she told me that I had Astral Babies too, and I didn't spent much time with them either so who was I to judge? EDIT: Took her art down. I realized that this made her pretty easy to find online given that there's not a ton of Piccolo fanart out there. Snapdragon750 fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Dec 14, 2011 |
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PiratePing posted:You seem pretty down-to-earth for someone who believes in something associated purely with internet crazies, would you be willing to talk about it more? It would be interesting to hear this stuff from a more sober perspective. I could be cheap about it and say 'it depends on the person' and to a point that's an honest answer but I'll not cop out about it. One thing I should make clear first off though is the otherkin/furry divide. Or rather those that associate one with the other and don't see a divide. While a lot of the former are involved with the latter in some manner, otherkin are NOT inherently furries. Otherkin actually believe(either due to legitimate soul searching or insanity) what they say. Furries just like anthro-animals and/or dressing up as one, maybe inventing a character-porn is optional. With that out of the way, I have to admit that yes, I do believe it's possible for a human to have a non-human soul. Most any religion that believes in reincarnation would agree with it, and while not all otherkin believe in reincarnation or souls, most do. Otherkin is not a religion though, and otherkin have all sorts of religious beliefs, and just as many have none. The reason(or at least one) for the question of one that acts like a human without a human soul, is that in literally every single otherkin's story I've ever heard, the person in question did not know about it from birth. Nobody ever told them they were otherkin(and the standard advice is that if anybody does, call BS). The person in question had to figure it out themselves. Between the time of birth and age whatever they figure it out(if they do, it's likely there's many that simply never came to the conclusion) they've been raised as a human, in a human body. I think it's perfectly reasonable for any person to act like a human when they've been raised as one. Even animals can take on human mannerisms if they've been trained to. In a more personal example, I had an 'awakening'* in my freshman high school year. I considered it for a few months although I was rather unsure about what I felt. It seemed right but imperfectly so. A few months later I had a sort of second awakening which enlightened me into what type of otherkin I was; I felt like everything clicked then. I'm 22 now and I've spent a fair bit of my time soul searching and pondering what being an otherkin actually means to me; including rejecting things about myself that don't feel right. It has been painful at times and now and then I missed what I was. On the other hand; opposable thumbs are bitchin'. One thing I've learned is that being otherkin isn't really about trying to be more like what one was or trying to subvert their humanity, and anybody that does this is Doing It Wrong. Rather, it's about perspective. Rather than being something that I once was, I've learned instead to appreciate what I am now. And hell; if it turns out to be untrue and I've been leading myself wrong I don't really see the harm in it. Before I discovered otherkin I was borderline suicidal. I'm not going to bore you with some sob story, but my awakening helped give me a fail-safe; being otherkin was at the time a source of personal strength and at the time I felt it would be betraying that to commit suicide. Even if all of otherkin is utter BS and we're ALL misguided I dare anybody to say this aspect was a bad thing for me. *Awakening; I loathe this term and from what I've heard I'm not the only one. Sadly, the otherkin communities don't really seem to have anything better so it's just what we use to describe when somebody discovered their otherkin-ness. Rorac fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Dec 13, 2011 |
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Rorac posted:I do believe it's possible for a human to have a non-human soul. Most any religion that believes in reincarnation would agree with it This is basically entirely wrong. Most religions that believe in reincarnation believe in a soul. The soul is eternal and can take on many forms. When a person dies and is reincarnated as a cow or a worm, they are not a person trapped in the body of a cow or a worm. They are a cow or a worm with an eternal soul that has lived many lives.
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In the context of just religion you are correct; I should've been more clear. Much of the time I read about otherkin they describe X-animal soul. My understanding is that while the soul is(maybe) understood to be eternal, it can also be imprinted on or the person may feel much more strongly about one life than another. In my case I may well have had untold numbers of lives but I only feel strongly about two; one of them being the here and now life.
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I'm super curious as to what animal or whatever you identify with and how that affects you but if you don't want to tell us because of internet detectiving I understand. Can you maybe explain in what way it affects your day to day life? I've read about wolf otherkin people running around in the forest while howling at the full moon, do you sometimes do stuff that's in the spirit of your otherkin soulbond spiritanimal whatever-the-term? I was raised believing in reincarnation and all that stuff so I can kind of relate, even though I think it's all bullshit now. I can almost hear my grandmother tell you "Well, remembering your past lives is great but that one's dead as a doornail and this is the one you're living now so let that poo poo go and deal with it!" though. For hippies my family is pretty no-nonsense 
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Is it a wolf? It's always a wolf.
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Don't leave us hanging, Rorac, the internet wants to know: what sort of otherkin are you? Dog? Cat? Bat? Rat? Dragon? Pigpen McKernan? Edit: so beaten
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Rorac I know it seems harmless and even helpful to you now, but pretending you're really an animal on the inside is only putting a band-aid on a deep scar. Sure it feels better for now, but when you one day realize that you're not really a wolf, you will still have all those issues to deal with on top of the new shame spiral you'll go through from having believed you were a wolf all those years. Trust me on this one and get real therapy. I'm not kidding.
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la_fausse_tortue posted:Denise Wants a Lolita Wedding Dress for an Anime Con A pity that pictures would lead to internet detectivery because that sounds gloriously bad.
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Snapdragon750 posted:Rorac I know it seems harmless and even helpful to you now, but pretending you're really an animal on the inside is only putting a band-aid on a deep scar. Sure it feels better for now, but when you one day realize that you're not really a wolf, you will still have all those issues to deal with on top of the new shame spiral you'll go through from having believed you were a wolf all those years. Trust me on this one and get real therapy. I'm not kidding. How can you be so insensitive? We don't even know if he's a wolf yet.
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I seriously am eating this thread up. Like some other people in this thread I use to be a flaming weeaboo. I don't have many stories but I only showered on Saturdays, smeared deodorant on the walls in protest of puberty because "only popular girls go through puberty", and I "believed" (I think... I don't know, I was pretty psychotic) that Kaworu from Pita-ten was my guardian angel and talked to me through the wind. I also brought a manga to a hibachi restaurant for my birthday and had the staff sign it. I wore a kimono to church on Christmas once. I really sympathize with my parents. During the time that I only showered once a week I had hair down to my butt. Even when I ran it was pin straight and still from all the grease weighing it down. e: capitalized X-mas
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Want to learn martial arts? How about now? That's right, Dog Boy of National Enquirer fame wants YOU to discover your inner chi. Welcome to the world of Shaolin-do. quote:Grandmaster Su Kong Tai Djin was born in the Fukien province of China in 1849 with a rare genetic condition which resulted in his entire body being covered with hair. His parents, convinced they had given birth to a demon, abandoned the infant into a nearby forest. A group of passing monks heard the baby's cries, and being educated, realized he was human, and brought him to the Shaolin Temple. Given the child's appearance, the monks knew he would not be adopted by any family and decided to raise the child themselves. There's your origin story. Note that although Hypertrichosis is a well-understood medical condition that many people exhibit worldwide, it is never referred to directly in any official materials. http://www.shaolingrandmaster.com/ ^Current Grandmaster! He is a practitioner of Flash Intro Page and Flash Pop-Under styles!  Join us, won't you? Wikipedia provides the truth in short form: quote:1967 – Sin Kwang The', [...] begins teaching martial arts at the University of Kentucky's recreation program. Basically a guy needed to make money in a college town, so he started teaching Kung Fu and Tai Chi to the kids, but that's okay because back then the lessons were "harder". He needed a gimmick to draw people in, so sometime around the 80s he started promising to teach people hundreds of styles, whereas at most martial arts schools you only learn more than can ever be practical. But that's not what the practitioners say! From a story over at Bullshido.net quote:After "teaching us the form", Sin The' sat us all down in front of him and some cameras were set up. For the next TWO HOURS Sin The' basically gave us his entire martial arts past. That's right! You too can learn to melt a loving baby with you Kung-Fu! e: Do I need to explain how this relates to my delusional friend, or does everyone see the connection?
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PiratePing posted:I've read about wolf otherkin people running around in the forest while howling at the full moon, Funniest thing about this is, wolves don't howl at the full moon. I looked it up after one too many otherkin claimed to feel that urge because they were a wolf inside. It's a part of wolf behaviour that has become part of popular culture but has no basis in real biology, kind of like ostriches burying their heads or lemmings jumping off cliffs. Wolves actually howl to maintain pack cohesion and communicate over long distances, and are no more or less likely to howl at the full moon or with no moon at all. You would think that if you found you were having unusually "feral" urges and thought it might be because you used to be a wolf, you would read EVERYTHING you could find about real wolf behaviour to better understand yourself and yout soul. But nope, just accept any old claptrap popular culture throws at you, don't bother to find out about actual wolves, and if you get called on it, well your soul is a MAGICAL wolf from another dimension where they do happen to howl at the moon and the people writing wrong things about wolves actually got inspired by some sort of interdimensional leakage.
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I kind of hope mr. weird otherkin guy doesn't take over the thread despite my morbid curiosity about why he decided to walk into a thread full of stories about people's experience with hosed-up people and go "hey maybe seriously believing you're a dragon isn't so bad stop stereotyping!!!!!"
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Snapdragon750 posted:Unfortunately I'm no artist nor did I ever pretend to be, but guess who is and posted all her art online? I'm fascinated by her complete lack of knowledge regarding the anatomy of wings.  Edit: I just have to say this. I really, really hate that anime drawing convention with the sweat drop. More precisely, I hate how lovely fan artists use it as a substitute for emotional expression, or just use it at random with no actual meaning or context. RalAegidius fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Dec 13, 2011 |
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Guesticles posted:I can maybe see the connection, but go ahead and clarify. I mean first of all, you've got your going to the gym everyday and staring at a picture of a wolfman for inspiration. Which to me, seems like something to watch out for. Then whenever you're around them they'll explain to you this devastating new thing they're learning. Which, as you might imagine, is a rehearsed set of nonsense. One exercise might be block, claw out the attacker's throat with one hand, blind them with the other, break their neck, stomp on their body. They're really surprised they were allowed to learn such a technique so early, because it's "so deadly". The moral is that you have to pay more money and buy more belts to learn the other ones. Then there's the wax-on wax-off drills. They were just trying to explain to me how alternating a shrugging gesture and signifying intestinal distress teaches you how to "block, attack, block, attack." Because you might have trouble remembering how that goes. There's also a poem to recite with gibberish like "Tree protects water, water protects earth, earth protects metal". Which is a lot easier to remember than "alternate blocking and attacking". Master Bob sounds like an awful human being. When they were filing their online reviews they repeatedly mentioned and told lengthy stories about how Master Bob don't broke no sass. If they were to tell him they saw the listing on Google and hadn't reviewed yet, he would probably ask to "spar" with them and beat them senseless until the entire class swore to go online and review the dojo. Remember that this is what they're telling me, as though it were a good thing. Near as I can tell he's the classic cult enforcer. If you break any of the cult's mores, you're taught that punishment is prostrating yourself before the enforcer and accepting the abuse he doles out. Remember that both of these people claim to be powerful warriors in The Other Realm, fighters in whom the fate of the entire world is entrusted. To these supreme warriors, rehearsing pre-fab kung fu drills is the height of human excellence. I think they own four yellow belts, because there was a mix-up switching between classes and they kept having to purchase new ones instead of just wearing the same one to the new class. Fatkraken posted:otherkin Does anyone else smell day-old meat left to fester in a sink when they come across that word?
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Rorac posted:Hey, I'm sorry, but you're crazy.  What animal soul do you think you have? Why do you believe you are that animal, does the animal's spirit make you do stuff (bark at people, meow at people, hiss, HOWL AT THE MOON)? Why do you feel other otherkin are ALL SO CRAAAAZY but you're totally okay and normal for believing this? Thanks and please don't run away, I am very curious!
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Fatkraken posted:Funniest thing about this is, wolves don't howl at the full moon. I looked it up after one too many otherkin claimed to feel that urge because they were a wolf inside. It's a part of wolf behaviour that has become part of popular culture but has no basis in real biology, kind of like ostriches burying their heads or lemmings jumping off cliffs. Wolves actually howl to maintain pack cohesion and communicate over long distances, and are no more or less likely to howl at the full moon or with no moon at all. As far as I can see being an otherkin is a form of escapism. Everyone in that community is batshit crazy and/or has a crappy life which they cope with by retreating into a fantasy that a)enables them to not be that person anymore because being a human adult is hard and b)can offer them a positive self-image even though their real lives are messed up. If Denise would ever let go of her sexy anime prince(ss) fantasy she would have to face the fact that she's an ugly loser who treats even the few people who love her so bad that it's a miracle she's even loved at all. Rorac was suicidal when he "awakened" and it gave him the strength he needed to keep going. That's also probably why they only pick the cool animals/creatures/characters, like people who believe in reincarnaton were never the guys who collected piss to dye cloth with but always king Arthur or Tutankhamun How Rorac can apparently see that everyone who thinks they have a non-human soul is crazy and not conclude that only crazy people think they have a non-human soul is beyond me but if it kept him from suicide then eh, whatever works right? V  V
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Some therians are pretty ok I guess. Like, a former pal of mine thought he had a ~*fox soul*~, but apparently the only way it manifests is in his normal personality traits and him drawing a lot of tribal-style pictures of foxes, and I wouldn't've found it out unless I was good-heartedly badgering him for being a furry about it. But the crazy ones are the only interesting ones. I really wish I'd saved that no-longer-on-the-net article "Do Dragons Walk Among Us?" about the pathetic lifestyle a cult of unemployed fat closeted dudes who all thought they were hermaphrodite dragons superior to puny hyoomans, and how they kept losing members to suicide.
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Snapdragon750 posted:Rorac I know it seems harmless and even helpful to you now, but pretending you're really an animal on the inside is only putting a band-aid on a deep scar. Sure it feels better for now, but when you one day realize that you're not really a wolf, you will still have all those issues to deal with on top of the new shame spiral you'll go through from having believed you were a wolf all those years. Trust me on this one and get real therapy. I'm not kidding. You really have no right to criticize his beliefs on this level unless you have definitive proof that they are directly harming another human being. I believe Christianity and all other religions are basically nonsense. Since I'm most familiar with Christianity, let me be specific. I think Catholics doctrine is draconian, hypocritical, ignorant, and discriminatory, and that their guilt obsession is unhealthy. I also think they have some beautiful churches and that teaching real forgiveness is something amazing. I think Evangelicals are poor imitations of genuine human beings, who replace real self-evident values with crying and shrill rhetoric. I also think some people need religion to function. I think Mormons are without exception misguided, ignorant, and gullible. I also think their devotion to family is admirable. I think that all these groups treat women and minorities like poo poo, and that if there were a hell then they'd find out about it in the worst way possible. But none of this means that I get to walk up to Christians and tell them that they need therapy and they are personally wrong. I can argue specific points. I can personally think that they are wasting their time. But neither you nor I have the right to get in Rorac's internet face over their religious beliefs. If you disagree with Rorac, go right ahead. I don't believe in the Great Spirit any more than I believe in Jesus the Son of Yaweh or Horus the Son of Osirus. But don't act like you can advise him to "GO GET HELP YOU SPERGLORD", unless you really waste all your time walking to Temples, Synagogues, and Churches, holding up a sign and telling everyone they are idiots on a personal level.
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Action_Bastard posted:But don't act like you can advise him to "GO GET HELP YOU SPERGLORD", unless you really waste all your time walking to Temples, Synagogues, and Churches, holding up a sign and telling everyone they are idiots on a personal level. Yup, thinking I have a wolf soul is exactly as valid of a belief as belonging to a religious tradition that contains a narrative, a code of ethics, and an attempt to instill kindness and sense into the universe.
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Thinking you have a wolf soul presumes that not only souls are real, but also that people can have the wrong soul. It's basically going one step crazier than most religion.
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Rorac posted:... imprinted... Been enjoying Twilight a bit too much? Action_Bastard posted:But don't act like you can advise him to "GO GET HELP YOU SPERGLORD", unless you really waste all your time walking to Temples, Synagogues, and Churches, holding up a sign and telling everyone they are idiots on a personal level. Also, don't donate to just one charity unless you're able to donate money to ALL charities.
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The Triumphant posted:Yup, thinking I have a wolf soul is exactly as valid of a belief as belonging to a religious tradition that contains a narrative, a code of ethics, and an attempt to instill kindness and sense into the universe. Does this Otherkin stuff have anything going for it pre-Internet? It sounds like a mismash of ideas taken from reincarnation and Native American folklore. Ok, so you've decided that you're a wolf in human form? What do you do now? I'm a Christian, and while I know that not everyone shares my beliefs (I come from a pretty liberal Christian background, have no issues with gays/evolution/other cultures etc.) - I don't get mad about that. I use them to inspire me to try and be the best I can be - trying to live the vaules of tolerance, enlightment, friendship, forgiveness and progress. I don't always succeed granted, but my beliefs enrich my life. "Treat minorities like poo poo"? I come from a nearly all black Church, despite being white - I think that's only done me good. What does going "yep. I'm a wolf spirit now." do? I don't want to give the immpression that I'm pissing on someone else's beliefs or ideas, but this otherkin stuff baffles me. I'm interested in what these posters have to say - if you could clue us in, that would be nice. This thread is the best thread. OldMemes fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Dec 13, 2011 |
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quote:I'm super curious as to what animal or whatever you identify with and how that affects you but if you don't want to tell us because of internet detectiving I understand. Can you maybe explain in what way it affects your day to day life? I've read about wolf otherkin people running around in the forest while howling at the full moon, do you sometimes do stuff that's in the spirit of your otherkin soulbond spiritanimal whatever-the-term? I'd actually rather answer this last, because I want to clarify some terminology at the same time. quote:Rorac I know it seems harmless and even helpful to you now, but pretending you're really an animal on the inside is only putting a band-aid on a deep scar. Sure it feels better for now, but when you one day realize that you're not really a wolf, you will still have all those issues to deal with on top of the new shame spiral you'll go through from having believed you were a wolf all those years. Trust me on this one and get real therapy. I'm not kidding. I'm not broken, or hurting. The 'failsafe' I mentioned might as well no longer be there, because I have no need of it anymore. My depression, when I was old enough to look back on it, was just standard teenage angst. My childhood and teenage years really were not actually bad, I thought it was worse at the time than it was. quote:Hey, I'm sorry, but you're crazy. Trust me, I'm not offended at being called crazy. I have, over and over again entertained the idea that I could very well be wrong; I was under the impression that those that absolutely, 101% believe everything they think were insane. I know there's no way to prove spirituality and because of that I have only my personal feelings to make judgement calls. And, just in case, I have actually seen psychiatrist about this. His opinion that a spirituality belief, like religion, is not something that is subject to sane/insane judgement calls. Since I'm not hurting myself or others, and infact it was a source of personal mental and emotional strength he saw no harm in it. quote:As far as I can see being an otherkin is a form of escapism. Everyone in that community is batshit crazy and/or has a crappy life which they cope with by retreating into a fantasy that a)enables them to not be that person anymore because being a human adult is hard and b)can offer them a positive self-image even though their real lives are messed up. (and stuff) I always got rather confused on the escapism argument. I fail to really see how being otherkin or even thinking you are helps you escape problems; daydreams don't feed you or pay the bills last I heard. My life wasn't bad by any stretch; I lived with my grandparents as a child and they did an excellent job raising me, I don't do drugs or anything, I don't get in trouble with the law beyond the odd speeding ticket. I don't look bad, maybe I could lose a few pounds but 185 at 6 ft 1 isn't unreasonable, and a few friends have found me attractive on my own merits. Being otherkin doesn't make my life any more interesting and I cannot use it as a shield to make my life better or keep out life problems in any meaningful way. As I said earlier, it's something that is just there in the background. It's an aspect of myself, like my eye color or my height. I've never tried it, but I can't imagine 'gently caress You I'm A Dragon' would do anything against say, bill collectors. Actually somebody go try that, I think that would be loving hilarious. quote:what otherkin type are you? Dragon. However, I feel the need to qualify that. I personally have very little sense of respect to those that claim they even used to be able to poo poo lightning and breathe skittles(old in-joke) and are like 600 feet tall. I have no problem calling bullshit on 'otherkin' that I think are indeed bullshit, or treat it like some sort of game. As a dragon I feel that I was not any better or more advanced than any normal animal beyond maybe being clever. Set what I was against a lion, I would expect the lion to win more often than not. Set what I was against a human with a gun, no chance in hell. quote:internet detectiving Feel free. You'll only really find a few various game accounts scattered here and there and some art accounts I virtually never post on because I can't do normal art and what I can do sucks, and an LJ.(protip: I only use Rorac here. Have fun!) edit: heh, more questions... quote:Been enjoying Twilight a bit too much? Yeah, no. I read like 5 pages of a twilight book once without realizing it(broken cover) and found it to be utter poo poo. quote:Does this Otherkin stuff have anything going for it pre-Internet? It sounds like a mismash of ideas taken from reincarnation and Native American folklore. It depends on the person really. Some are crazy about it obviously. Myself, I see it as a chance to see things from a new perspective, and I enjoy and appreciate being human because of the things I could not do before. I think I used this before, but look at your thumbs. Opposible thumbs are awesome when you can see it from the perspective of not having them. AC systems rock when your only alternative used to be shade and if you're lucky a river. Technology kicks rear end when you come from a perspective of not having it. In short: being a human is loving awesome, and being otherkin makes me appreciate this life all the more. Rorac fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Dec 13, 2011 |
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I assume these people don't think they have the wrong soul, they think they have the wrong body. How is that different then the belief that your life in heaven will be eternal, and you'll have a perfect body there? Who gives a gently caress. It's not the point. All religion is crazy if you get rational about it. That's not the point. A wise man once said "I am certainly not going to bash the president, 'cause he is right here." That's the point. I'm not going to bash on Rorac, because he's right here. Telling us how he feels. He hasn't said anything to indicate he's a morally reprehensible person inherently, so I'm not gonna be a dick to him. That said, I'm still going to laugh my rear end off at how hosed up Denise is. If she were in this thread posting, I'd ask her if she realizes that she's been lovely to her friends, but I wouldn't waste my time telling her her beliefs are stupid. Laughing in someone's face isn't funny. Making fun of a hosed up person can be plenty of fun though, when you're not being mean spirited. Being a dick right to them is mean spirited. Derail over! When I was in first grade I told my after-school daycare teacher that I 'scientists had discovered I was directly descended from deinonychus'. I'm pretty sure I believed it for most of first grade. Edit: Derail clearly not over. Looks like we got us a legitimate ask/tell here again. Action_Bastard fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Dec 13, 2011 |
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Deciding you have a animal/mythical/fictional being soul and trying to justify it by roping religion into it doesn't mean that his internet syndrome is the same as a real religion. Reincarnation doesn't even work that way, even if you really were a wolf in a past life at the most you might have some residual memories from that but you will still be 100% human.
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Dec 13, 2011 21:20
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Wait, so not only do you think you have an animal soul, you think you have the soul of a creature that never existed? How on earth do you qualify that?
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Dec 13, 2011 21:22
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Rorac posted:Dragon. However, I feel the need to qualify that. I personally have very little sense of respect to those that claim they even used to be able to poo poo lightning and breathe skittles(old in-joke) and are like 600 feet tall. I have no problem calling bullshit on 'otherkin' that I think are indeed bullshit, or treat it like some sort of game. As a dragon I feel that I was not any better or more advanced than any normal animal beyond maybe being clever. Set what I was against a lion, I would expect the lion to win more often than not. Set what I was against a human with a gun, no chance in hell. Wow, your dragon soul is so much more believable and realistic than all those assholes' dragon souls.
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Dec 13, 2011 21:36
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quote:Deciding you have a animal/mythical/fictional being soul and trying to justify it by roping religion into it doesn't mean that his internet syndrome is the same as a real religion. Reincarnation doesn't even work that way, even if you really were a wolf in a past life at the most you might have some residual memories from that but you will still be 100% human. I understand and recognize fully that I am, biologically, 100% human. I've NEVER been under any delusion of that. As I said before, being otherkin means I appreciate this life and this body more than I may have before. quote:Wait, so not only do you think you have an animal soul, you think you have the soul of a creature that never existed? How on earth do you qualify that? This is an excellent question, one that really gets a lot of dragonkin. Personally, I do not believe I was from Earth at any point in time but instead an earth-like planet *somewhere* out there in space, probably one with less gravity and a thicker atmosphere, because I don't think anything but very small bird-sized dragons would even work on Earth. I'm not going to try to pinpoint a star or anything because I have no idea where it would be and even if somehow I ended up being correct it amounts to jack and poo poo due to the distances involved. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Dec 13, 2011 21:37
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OldMemes posted:Does this Otherkin stuff have anything going for it pre-Internet? Yes of course. I mean soul-bonding poo poo has precedent in literature as this thread taught me so otherkin can't not have a precedent.
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Dec 13, 2011 21:38
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If you don't do anything or get anything from being otherkin, what's the point? So you just go "I was a alien dragon. Ok." then do....nothing?
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Dec 13, 2011 21:39
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Just once can't someone have a Dung Beetle or Hagfish soul? Why is always wolves and loving dragons. Hell, I'd even accept Hyena or Turkey Vulture.
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Dec 13, 2011 21:40
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What made you realise you are a dragon? Tell me about dragons. Do dragons exist but humanity never found them, or did they all die out and only their souls live on in human bodies or something. Tell me about dragon biology and stuff like that, why would a lion be able to defeat a dragon? How big are dragons? Tell me about the planet, what was it like? Does being a dragon affect your day-to-day life in any way. Do you go around going all "rawr" and stuff. Also poo poo like this is escapism because it makes you feel you're special, you're different. You have this world where you were once this beautiful mythical animal and your life only sucks because you're trapped in this lovely body that's clearly not you!
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Dec 13, 2011 21:41
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Rorac posted:This is an excellent question, one that really gets a lot of dragonkin. Personally, I do not believe I was from Earth at any point in time but instead an earth-like planet *somewhere* out there in space, probably one with less gravity and a thicker atmosphere, because I don't think anything but very small bird-sized dragons would even work on Earth. I'm not going to try to pinpoint a star or anything because I have no idea where it would be and even if somehow I ended up being correct it amounts to jack and poo poo due to the distances involved. So how does thinking that your soul used to be in an alien dragon from space make you less "pants on head retarded" than all those other otherkin? Was your space-dragon a professor of Dragon economics or something?
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Dec 13, 2011 21:44
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Tell me how many people have been persecuted, opressed, tortured, jailed or ecuted for having otherkin beliefs - then I'll agreed that it's a proper religon. How many otherkins have been killed simply for having their faith? I'm guessing the number isn't very high. EDIT: We should take the chance for a bit of Ask/Tell, but let's not derail the thread too much  I love this thread too much for it to become awful.
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Dec 13, 2011 21:49
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Rorac posted:I do not believe I was from Earth at any point in time but instead an earth-like planet *somewhere* out there in space, probably one with less gravity and a thicker atmosphere, because I don't think anything but very small bird-sized dragons would even work on Earth. Ok you have to admit that's pretty funny though. Why bother rationalizing it with a hypothetical 'real' planet? If you feel like a dargon then can I ask you, why not just come up with some ideas about the aspects that you idealize - maybe courage and cleverness - and idealize those with the icon of a dragon. Why does it have to be a real planet that was real somewhere sometime? A lot a Christians are willing to admit that Maybe Jesus Didn't do all those things, but that he probably said some really great things for us to think about. I think you should just have your Soul of Dragon, and not bother creating the planet of Pern, the home of the Dragonriders. Seriously have you read about Pern it's basically what you described with low gravity and all.
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Rorac posted:This is an excellent question, one that really gets a lot of dragonkin. Personally, I do not believe I was from Earth at any point in time but instead an earth-like planet *somewhere* out there in space, probably one with less gravity and a thicker atmosphere, because I don't think anything but very small bird-sized dragons would even work on Earth. I'm not going to try to pinpoint a star or anything because I have no idea where it would be and even if somehow I ended up being correct it amounts to jack and poo poo due to the distances involved. This is literally the first time in the entire thread where I've read something that caused my head to instantly seek out my desk. And this is with my having a handle that involves Japanese AND dragons in the same word. I almost want to call troll on this, with the build-up about how you're not as bad or crazy as most otherkin and then..."Oh yeah I'm a space-dragon". I mean, poo poo. You couldn't even just be a Komodo Dragon? Those are badass, and even give an excuse for having bad breath. I have to second some other questions, if this is legit, how is this not escapism? You're claiming to be a space-dragon, it's kind of hard to escape much harder then that.
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