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Ulio posted:Gatsu isn't that old what's up with him having a bit of grey? It's the result of the trauma his body endured when he used the Berserker Armor for the first time. U-DO Burger fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Dec 13, 2011 |
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Yeah try to think about how much blood loss Guts has endured, and you'll start to get an idea of why his body shows signs of premature aging.
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Dec 13, 2011 02:21
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Oh thanks that explains it, also is there a reason why his helmet shifted into a dog's head(sort of)?
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Dec 13, 2011 03:19
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Ulio posted:Oh thanks that explains it, also is there a reason why his helmet shifted into a dog's head(sort of)? It's representative of the Dog that symbolizes his rage you see over the course of series. The Skeleton Knight / Gaseric had a thing for wearing a skull shaped helmet and presumably had some deeper meaning than that.
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Dec 13, 2011 03:45
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Ah yes but I guess it might be explained why it's a dog out of all the other animals that represents Gats(his rage) later?
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Dec 13, 2011 04:59
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I can't really recall anything. Maybe if Guts were an apostle he'd be a giant demon dog. Or Miura just thought it looked cool.
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Dec 13, 2011 05:07
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Ulio posted:Ah yes but I guess it might be explained why it's a dog out of all the other animals that represents Gats(his rage) later? Did you miss that every time Guts has his conflict with his inner demon, it's a fox-like monster? It's just a representation of his inner rage, his dark side: mindlessly lusting for violence, embracing cruelty and hate in the bloodbath.
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Dec 13, 2011 07:07
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Perhaps he sees the rage and pain that has driven him all his life as a literal dog of war, a reflection of his mercenary existence. Dunno, just my guess.
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Dec 13, 2011 07:30
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I always thought his animal spirit was more jackal like. Guts contemplation, which arises from confronting this dark projection, is kind like Griffith acknowledging the road of bodies that he is building towards his destiny. The things both of them have done create ripples in the world of darkness.
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Dec 13, 2011 08:55
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Maybe it's a puppy. A puppy... of DOOM.
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Dec 13, 2011 10:01
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It's obviously a dingo. Dingoes are evil.
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Dec 13, 2011 10:07
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Rakugoon posted:It's obviously a dingo. Does this mean Guts is going to eat a baby?
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Dec 13, 2011 16:39
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Didn't he get attacked by a pack of wild dogs or wolves when he ran from his first mercenary company? I thought that was why it represented his inner demons.
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Dec 13, 2011 17:51
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A.S.H. posted:Yeah try to think about how much blood loss Guts has endured, and you'll start to get an idea of why his body shows signs of premature aging. Just the amount of stress that Guts must have would turn any man's hair grey.
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Dec 13, 2011 21:37
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Recursive Expanse posted:Didn't he get attacked by a pack of wolves when he ran from his first mercenary company? I thought that was why it represented his inner demons. You know I completely forgot about this and it probably does have significance, since so much about the world of darkness is supposed to be a projection of the human psyche. I think the biggest question would be, is this animus something that exists outside of Fate like Guts does? Is it proof that he is not destined to become an Apostle? They usually don't seem to endure this kind of contemplation that Guts does, they feel quite justified in their actions, even more so after the Godhand comes down, hands them their new sentence on life, and thus 'Do as thou will'. Still his shadow grows in the wake of the killing to carve his chosen path. Besides just being this dog nipping at the heels of his sanity, there could be something much more to why it is a part of the story and impressing itself upon the Berserk Armor.
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Dec 13, 2011 23:47
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All I know, it is so not going to be pretty. We've seen chapters where that armor nearly makes him kill his group. Sure Schierke is there to keep the chains on him, but lets face it. I feel the demon pretty much signifies how Gutts used to be. He didn't really care about others, just killing. I forgot which chapters it was but it was basically goading Gutts to kill everyone because they were holding him back, etc.
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Dec 14, 2011 00:15
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Thinking back on it, was his battle with the wolves the first time he actually went berserk? I think it was also right after he killed Gerald(?)- his abusive adoptive father/owner. So that was quite an emotional time, and a fitting moment to embrace and build upon his rage against a cruel and unfair world.
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Dec 14, 2011 05:02
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I think you mean Gambino, was nothing like a father though.
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Dec 14, 2011 05:06
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Ulio posted:I think you mean Gambino, was nothing like a father though.
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Dec 14, 2011 06:48
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Guts still cries over killing Gambino, he didn't mean to kill him.. It's probably what makes him the very pinnacle of humanity against Griffiths void of compassion.
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Dec 14, 2011 06:56
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Griffith had regret over that kid dying on the battlefield. Griffith sold his body to expedite the hawk's fundraising after the kid died. Griffith isn't a heartless monster and I think he and Guts are pretty on comparable in selfish/selflessness. Griffith was completely broken and targeted by the God Hand to sacrifice. I reread or watch that scene where he is convinced to join the God Hand a lot when I go through the manga/anime every couple of a years. He really doesn't want to be a bloody ruler but his ambition and hopelessly was amplified to the point that he felt he had no other option. Guts and Puck have that behelit and I wonder who it is for and if for Guts, what would make him use it? What would he be asked to sacrifice? temple fucked around with this message at 11:48 on Dec 14, 2011 |
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Dec 14, 2011 11:45
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If Guts uses the behelit it will go against everything he believes in and I don't think he will ever be as broken for it be "activated".
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Dec 14, 2011 18:26
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No apostle is ever going to beat Griffith.
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Dec 14, 2011 18:52
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Ulio posted:If Guts uses the behelit it will go against everything he believes in and I don't think he will ever be as broken for it be "activated". The only thing Guts really believes in is FSU'ing as hard as possible. If he comes across an enemy he can't take down I could totally see him going all apostle like to get the job done.
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Dec 14, 2011 20:26
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It may also be used to call the God Hand down and confront them when Guts is ready. Or, since he's so protective of it, it's actually Pucks behelit, and he's the one that's gonna go all apostle one day.
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Dec 14, 2011 21:08
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I do not see Guts using the behelit. However, the behelit is supposed to go towards its owner, so perhaps Guts just has a really tight grip and has been unknowingly pulled towards the person who will use it. I can definitely see Caska using it, and a few others in the party could use it as a means to save the rest of the group. Then there is also the possibility that he is still on his journey to the person that it's meant for.
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Dec 14, 2011 21:16
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Bloodyshinta1 posted:The only thing Guts really believes in is FSU'ing as hard as possible. If he comes across an enemy he can't take down I could totally see him going all apostle like to get the job done. The only one he would even think to use it against would be Griffith, but it would suck to see him eventually become like them. Guts chose to struggle.
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Dec 14, 2011 21:30
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Isn't it a thing that branded sacrifices can't use behelits? The God Hand are big into causality and karma and fate- and as far as the fate of the world is concerned, all branded sacrifices are already dead. Besides, the behelit has already been used by an apostle, the Count. Which wouldn't matter if behelits were just objects, but it's pretty clear they're carefully maneuvered into position for specific individuals in all or most cases. Much like in Hellraiser, it's not the simple act of solving the puzzle box that summons the Cenobites, it's the intent that does it. Now, had those two things been the only things keeping Guts from using the behelit, Miura could easily write his way around it whenever he pleases - but so far Guts' entire character arc post-Eclipse has pretty explicitly been moving him away from that remote possibility. It's not a matter of becoming a monster to kill a monster, Guts is already dealing with being the monster. LordMune fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Dec 14, 2011 |
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Dec 14, 2011 23:33
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On that idea of it being on a journey to its master still-- Could Griffith use another Behelit?
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Dec 15, 2011 02:37
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Rakugoon posted:On that idea of it being on a journey to its master still-- Could Griffith use another Behelit? Miura plays the long game and it's obvious Puck's adopted behelit will wind up somewhere - it's an interesting idea, but I have no idea what Griffith would stand to gain from "using" a behelit again. The God Hand don't exactly have much to offer him at this point. It might be used to draw others through the dimensional layers, into the Interstice and Vortex, I suppose. But post-Fantasia the boundaries are seemingly blurred enough to be non-existent anyway...
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Dec 15, 2011 04:19
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I could see the Behelit activate if only to give a chance to have Guts encounter the Idea and tell it to gently caress off in the grandest case of gently caress YOU CAUSALITY
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Dec 15, 2011 05:48
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Guts sacrifices his vengeance on Griffith to bring back Casca's sanity. Griffith then falls on his sword because Guts don't give a poo poo about him no more.
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Dec 15, 2011 06:18
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Zorak posted:I could see the Behelit activate if only to give a chance to have Guts encounter the Idea and tell it to gently caress off in the grandest case of gently caress YOU CAUSALITY This. This is what is going to happen, I'll bet you, if Guts ever uses the Behelit. It's just too thematically appropriate for Guts not to use the Behelit (one of the major themes being humanity and inhumanity as well as destiny and free will) that I don't see Muira ever recanting on it. Besides, I wonder if Guts even can use the Behelit, born from a corpse as he was. Someone else in his current party might, however.
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Dec 15, 2011 07:02
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Wasn't it revealed a super long time ago that the branded can't escape their fate and can't become apostles or use behelits under any circumstances? Yea Slan and Glasses Godhand make mention of it in volume 3 from what I remember. So the behelit isn't for Guts. It's probably for the siblings (comedy option Azlan).
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Dec 15, 2011 08:25
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ThePhenomenalBaby posted:(comedy option Azlan). Adon should come back as a blue whale apostle
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Dec 15, 2011 09:32
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Guts is so not bound by fate that the rules may not apply to him, and he may be able to call the Godhand due to his raaaaagggeeee due to losing yet another crew of friends. They'd come and say "what the gently caress, this isn't possible, you have a brand," and then he'd kick them all in the face, with his sword. I actually see the outcome as not being not too far removed from that.
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Dec 15, 2011 16:22
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Darko posted:Guts is so not bound by fate that the rules may not apply to him, and he may be able to call the Godhand due to his raaaaagggeeee due to losing yet another crew of friends. They'd come and say "what the gently caress, this isn't possible, you have a brand," and then he'd kick them all in the face, with his sword. I could live with this.
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Dec 15, 2011 20:09
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You lot are way off the mark. Clearly the ending will be the same as The Last Man on Earth. Duh.
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Dec 16, 2011 06:56
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No Guts, you are the apostles. (And then Guts was a fairy)
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ThePhenomenalBaby posted:Wasn't it revealed a super long time ago that the branded can't escape their fate and can't become apostles or use behelits under any circumstances? That's just speculation and the God Hand themselves remark that they cannot forsee all consequences. It may very well be Guts fate to be marked in such manner before becoming an apostle or doing whatever he was fated to be doing. There is no evidence to even think that Guts is outside of the currents of Fate when everything he has done up to this point has appeared to assist Griffith's goal of merging the planes. Hell. The false ceremony that reincarnated Griffith into human form is more proof that Guts is within the currents of fate than anything. The entire event would not have occurred if both Guts and Caska were not there on a full moon night while being branded. Every Apostle that Guts has killed was fated to be killed by him.
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