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Archenteron posted:I don't remember if this is a Start of Darkness spoiler or not, so I'm spoilering it to be safe: Redcloak's Ritual isn't supposed to control the Snarl to give its (mortal) holders world domination, it's supposed to let The Dark One, God of the Goblins, unmake the world again and use the Snarl as a bargaining chip against the other Gods so that the next world is actually fair to goblinkind Unspoiled version: It's not quite that simple, as entertaining as it may be. Not quite. Plan A is to control the Snarl. What you spoiled is the Plan B which explains why Redcloak is completely unafraid of failure. e: also Plan A is for the Dark One to use the Snarl to make sure the current world is equal. Plan B comes into effect if the ritual fails in which case The Dark One gets a say in the making of the new world. Remember that the Goblin God wasn't one of the original gods who made the world, which is why it sucks for goblinkind. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Dec 12, 2011 |
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Hypocrisy posted:Tarquin is going to die trying to use the Gates and his scheme will collapse. In a few years, there will only be a handful of people who remember him. Sorcerers get so few skill points that, even for a high Intelligence build like Nale's, it's hard to do everything. And we already know he took his Bluff through the roof, so it wouldn't surprise me that he let his Concentration slack a bit. Besides, he's an ego-maniacal super-genius. Why should he need Concentration? His minions should be in front of him to keep him from getting hit in the first place!
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Alchenar posted:Not quite. Plan A is to control the Snarl. What you spoiled is the Plan B which explains why Redcloak is completely unafraid of failure. Technically....the plan isn't to "control it" per say, so much as open a portal for it into the throne rooms of various gods, and let it go to town on them. (The hypothetical example was Thor's.) Then use the fact he could do so again to blackmail the surviving gods into a better position in the world for goblinkind. Plan B is to destroy the world. Of course, now that Xykon's taken the time to have the ritual broken down for him, who knows how far off course the Big X is going to knock the plan off the rails? And let's not forget that as a Divine Theurge, and thus able to cast both divine and arcane magics, it might even be possible for Tsukiko to cast the ritual BY HERSELF, and who knows what would happen then?
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Alchenar posted:Not quite. Plan A is to control the Snarl. What you spoiled is the Plan B which explains why Redcloak is completely unafraid of failure.
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My Lovely Horse posted:I don't want to start off a whole alignment debate, because god there's just nothing more dull, but you could say we have three major players now, Xykon, Tarquin and Nale, who are (arguably, but it's always arguably) chaotic, lawful and neutral evil respectively, so each of the evil cloak guys in the background gets one protege, so to speak. I'm probably missing something that invalidates all this - and in any case there are still Redcloak, Sabine and the Monster - but if it played out that way that'd be a pretty good and subtle way to develop things. Isn't Sabine already reporting to all three cloak guys? http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0380.html
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New comic!
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When you post the comic here, rather than a link, you should also post its title. Just sayin'. (Raiders of the Lost Plot Arc)
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So who the hell did kill Penelope? I doubt Tarquin did and forgot about it. Only way Nale survives is if Malack did it so...?
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Dec 14, 2011 19:33
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I wish Rich would just kill off Nale already. He's by far the least interesting character. So sick of the Linear Guild.
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Yup. You're going to die Tarquin. Even worse, you're going to die in the middle of nowhere so your legend will just end.
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Dec 14, 2011 21:05
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Hang on. Nale didn't kill Penelope, and Tarqun didn't kill her either, so I'm guessing that one of the Draketooths did it. They probably have some kind of anti-scrying alarm that let them know that Penelope was looking for them and decided to take her out instead.
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Toussaint Louverture posted:I wish Rich would just kill off Nale already. He's by far the least interesting character. So sick of the Linear Guild. You do realize now that Nale is going to kill Tarquin and it'll be huge letdown for everyone because instead of being the legendary king taken down by the hero, he'll be the oblivious ruler taken down by his ungreatful son.
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Malack had to be the one to kill Penelope. The way he brushes off the mystery of Tarquin's dead wife tells it all.
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rotinaj posted:Malack had to be the one to kill Penelope. The way he brushes off the mystery of Tarquin's dead wife tells it all. Tarquin has many dead wives
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rotinaj posted:Malack had to be the one to kill Penelope. The way he brushes off the mystery of Tarquin's dead wife tells it all. Why would Malack want to kill Penelope? For all the ominousness surrounding him he seems more concered about his own job than the growing pile of dead wives next to Tarquin.
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So the eyeball we saw in the middle of the desert was Nale's random scrying attempts.
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So it really WAS mysterious circumstances for her death, not a one-off joke. Nice. Also, nice burn on Sabine, Tarquin.
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HKR posted:Tarquin has many dead wives All killed by Malack prehaps? It would create some extra drama and betrayal further down the track. Maybe marriage makes Tarquin go soft and distracts him, while his old aventuring buddy still wants to take over world.
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Goffer posted:All killed by Malack prehaps? It would create some extra drama and betrayal further down the track. Maybe marriage makes Tarquin go soft and distracts him, while his old aventuring buddy still wants to take over world. No, he killed most of them.
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CommaToes posted:You do realize now that Nale is going to kill Tarquin and it'll be huge letdown for everyone because instead of being the legendary king taken down by the hero, he'll be the oblivious ruler taken down by his ungreatful son. And Tarquin will appreciate the poetic irony in it, and leave this world knowing that despite it all, he finally managed to instill a sense of theatrics on his stupid, bearded son.
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Calaveron posted:And Tarquin will appreciate the poetic irony in it, and leave this world knowing that despite it all, he finally managed to instill a sense of theatrics on his stupid, bearded son. The dude literally cannot lose.
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Aww, Tarquin thinks that he's the Antagonist and not a sideplot. Xykon's going to give us another lesson in power.
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:Why would Malack want to kill Penelope? For all the ominousness surrounding him he seems more concered about his own job than the growing pile of dead wives next to Tarquin. Since Nale is beyond his reach, maybe he just wants to keep Tarquin from being married long enough to reproduce and make more horrible people.
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Nope, not buying it. Malack's got no motive. It was a Draketooth hit squad.
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Is there any possibility that Malack IS Draketooth? How well does Tarquin know him and could his illusion magic work that well?
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Maybe The Empress of Blood is Draketooth.
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Tarquin is Draketooth, he replaced Elan's father years ago.
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Clearly The Monster in the Dark is actually Draketooth
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You are Draketooth. It's a metaphor, man. A metaphor.
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Tarquin's got a Ring of True Sight on at all times. No illusion will work on him. Now granted, Tarquin's got a poo poo-ton of enemies from all over the Southern Continent, so it certainly could be someone we've never heard of. But Conservation of Characters suggests that it should be someone we've heard of, and if it is, I'm going with a Draketooth. We know they're paranoid, willing to steal an infant from her mother, and potent in both scrying and illusion magic. And probably multi-class Fighter/Sorcerers to boot. There are plenty of people who might have been willing to off Penelope to hurt Tarquin (though they obviously don't know him very well if they did since he just shrugs and goes after a new wife, not even bothering to raise the old one, even though Malack's RIGHT THERE) but as far as we know the only ones with motive to kill Penelope were Tarquin, Nale, and the Draketooths. And if Tarquin and Nale didn't do it, then.... EDIT: Though I suppose it's possible that Raise Dead is outlawed in Tarquin's lands. After all Nergal is a God of Death, and it may be part of Malack's faith that dead means DEAD. After all, he didn't raise his own children from the dead after Nale killed them, even though he probably should have been able to. jng2058 fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Dec 16, 2011 |
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jng2058 posted:Tarquin's got a Ring of True Sight on at all times. No illusion will work on him. Epic magic might work on a Ring of True Sight, though I haven't hosed with Epic level stuff much. And his kids might have been just like Roy's brother. Or, some Death Gods need a really, really good reason to return someone from the living rather than outlawing it altogether. Someone like Elan or Tarquin could possibly be raised, but not Joe Blow the janitor.
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seaborgium posted:Epic magic might work on a Ring of True Sight, though I haven't hosed with Epic level stuff much. True, that. Dorukan had Epic Magic on his side, Girard could have it too. And fair point on the child-ghosts bit too. You'd think that the defacto ruler of the realm's wife would be on the To-Be-Raised list, though.
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jng2058 posted:True, that. Dorukan had Epic Magic on his side, Girard could have it too. And fair point on the child-ghosts bit too. A multiclass caster-"anything else" can't throw around the kind of power that an epic singleclass wizard can. People like Dorukan and Zykon are in a whole different league.
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wiegieman posted:A multiclass caster-"anything else" can't throw around the kind of power that an epic singleclass wizard can. People like Dorukan and Zykon are in a whole different league. Are we sure Draketooth was a multi-class caster and not, say, a bard? There are bard PRCs that grant up to 9th level casting, whereupon presumably at epic he could pull out some high end poo poo with illusions.
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Well wasn't the halfling a bard? No party would have two bards.
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Cliff Racer posted:Well wasn't the halfling a bard? No party would have two bards. She was a rogue.
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I just liked it when Nale refused to give his dad the dramatic music. It's just so petty.
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I want to see Tarquin's bedroom, just to know whether or not he has a copy of The Evil Overlord's Handbook sitting on his nightstand. He's almost painfully genre-savvy, I wouldn't doubt it for a moment. He's the best
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Archenteron posted:I want to see Tarquin's bedroom, just to know whether or not he has a copy of The Evil Overlord's Handbook sitting on his nightstand. He's almost painfully genre-savvy, I wouldn't doubt it for a moment. In this world, he WROTE the evil overlord list, then gave it to his minions.
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