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MisterBibs posted:Not a General Movie Question as much of a General Movie Forum Question: Absolutely fine. Go ahead.
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Dec 17, 2011 19:02
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I find Matthew Modine's narration in Full Metal Jacket to be very rigid and "off", almost like he's reading the words for the first time as he speaks them. Being that Kubrick has such attention to detail, I figure there must be a reason why the narration is presented this way. Is it just me who finds the narration odd? Is there any explanation for why it's done that way?
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Dec 18, 2011 19:21
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Sand Monster posted:I find Matthew Modine's narration in Full Metal Jacket to be very rigid and "off", almost like he's reading the words for the first time as he speaks them. Being that Kubrick has such attention to detail, I figure there must be a reason why the narration is presented this way. Is it just me who finds the narration odd? Is there any explanation for why it's done that way? Kubrick wasn't really big on his actors being overly emotionally demonstrative in his films. Modines' detached monotone contrasts nicely with the incredibly gory, hosed up stuff he's talking about.
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Dec 18, 2011 23:19
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Also, Matthew Modine's not a very good actor.
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Dec 18, 2011 23:22
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LtKenFrankenstein posted:Also, Matthew Modine's not a very good actor. He loving tanks in Short Cuts.
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Dec 19, 2011 00:14
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BeigeJacket posted:Kubrick wasn't really big on his actors being overly emotionally demonstrative in his films. Modines' detached monotone contrasts nicely with the incredibly gory, hosed up stuff he's talking about.
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Dec 19, 2011 02:40
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SubG posted:And depersonalisation/dehumanisation is one of the film's major narrative arguments. The recruit training sequence that the film opens with goes out of its way to make the marines as interchangeable and indistinguishable as possible. The first images we see involve all the characters literally being made to look as much alike as possible, for example, and in the images at the end we see Joker---who we've been following throughout the film---literally fades into a crowd of his fellow marines. Which is such a crazy thing, because pretty much every other war movie does its best to make the audience know who is who. You can identify pretty much any soldier in a movie like Platoon at a glance, like giving Kevin Dillon a raccoon tail hanging from his helmet or the guys club.
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Dec 19, 2011 06:33
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penismightier posted:He loving tanks in Short Cuts. YES MARIAN WE'RE JUST TALKING He's not that bad but to be fair he's kind of overshadowed by Julianne Moore's vagina.
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Dec 19, 2011 07:06
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Magic Hate Ball posted:YES MARIAN WE'RE JUST TALKING Which is not only super hot, but an incredibly brave piece of acting. gently caress Julianne Moore rules.
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Dec 19, 2011 07:11
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penismightier posted:Which is not only super hot, but an incredibly brave piece of acting. gently caress Julianne Moore rules. I love her. I really need to see more of her, she's excellent in Boogie Nights/The Big Lebowski/Safe especially.
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Dec 19, 2011 07:16
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penismightier posted:Which is not only super hot, but an incredibly brave piece of acting. gently caress Julianne Moore rules. If taking your clothes off equates to brave acting, does this mean Playboy's Hot Co-eds are the bravest actors of all?
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Dec 19, 2011 13:12
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Criminal Minded posted:I really need to see more of her Haven't you seen enough of her already? What are you hoping for, spleen?
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Dec 19, 2011 17:10
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It's sad that you all talked about Matt Modine's acting and didn't mention Pacific Heights.
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Dec 19, 2011 17:20
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cheerfullydrab posted:It's sad that you all talked about Matt Modine's acting and didn't mention Pacific Heights. I forgot he was in that movie. He's kind of a forgettable dude. Good movie, though, Michael Keaton and Melanie Griffith are both great in it.
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Dec 19, 2011 17:53
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FitFortDanga posted:Haven't you seen enough of her already? What are you hoping for, spleen? Daddy wants pancreas.
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Dec 19, 2011 18:27
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Parachute posted:Daddy wants pancreas. "I've often thought we should have beauty contests for the inside of our bodies."
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Dec 19, 2011 18:32
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Here's a fun question: who's the worse actor, Modine or D'Onofrio?
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Dec 19, 2011 18:41
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Here's a fun question: who's the worse actor, Modine or D'Onofrio? D'Onofrio was great in Men in Black. "Sugar... in water"
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Dec 19, 2011 18:45
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Here's a fun question: who's the worse actor, Modine or D'Onofrio? After watching too much L&O: Criminal Intent in the past year, I'd have to say without a doubt D'Onofrio. There's just something about his speaking patterns and mannerisms that really bug me, but I've never been able to put my finger on it.
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Dec 19, 2011 18:50
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Here's a fun question: who's the worse actor, Modine or D'Onofrio? D'Onofrio equates accents, weight gain, and body piercings to acting. Modine was the captain of the Memphis Belle, piloting the greatest crew of 80s "oh yeah, he was in that too" actors to ever fly a B-17. D'Onofrio is therefor the worst actor. He would have been a waist gunner in Modine's acting vessel, standing right next to Courtney Gains.
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Dec 19, 2011 18:55
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Yeah, I am thinking specifically of Criminal Intent. Sometimes I watch him on that show and have no idea what he's trying to do with that character. Sometimes it seems like a twitchy Nic Cage thing but other times it seems like he's trying to be Dexter, or something?
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Dec 19, 2011 18:55
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Yeah, I am thinking specifically of Criminal Intent. Sometimes I watch him on that show and have no idea what he's trying to do with that character. Sometimes it seems like a twitchy Nic Cage thing but other times it seems like he's trying to be Dexter, or something? The character's supposed to have an ASD, probably Asperger's if I recall. Granted, I'm an Aspie and I hope I'm not that twitchy.
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Dec 19, 2011 18:56
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Dude seriously did rule in Men in Black, though. "I put mah hands... on mah head."
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Dec 19, 2011 18:58
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Here's a movie question. When I was trying to think of a role Vincent D'Onofrio played very well, the first one that popped into my head was actually a character played by Tom Sizemore. Which character and what movie was I thinking of?
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Dec 19, 2011 19:08
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D'Onofrio does a decent Orson Welles impersonation, at least. Edit: Well, him and Maurice LaMarche. morestuff fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Dec 19, 2011 |
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Dec 19, 2011 19:10
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morestuff posted:D'Onofrio does a decent Orson Welles impersonation, at least. Watch 5 Minutes Mr. Welles to see him do it without the dubbed voice. It is far less impressive.
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Dec 19, 2011 19:18
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SubG posted:And depersonalisation/dehumanisation is one of the film's major narrative arguments. The recruit training sequence that the film opens with goes out of its way to make the marines as interchangeable and indistinguishable as possible. The first images we see involve all the characters literally being made to look as much alike as possible, for example, and in the images at the end we see Joker---who we've been following throughout the film---literally fades into a crowd of his fellow marines. This makes some sense to me and I suppose could explain it, but Joker's narration is... I don't know the proper term for it, but it seems like it is taking place in conjunction with what the audience is seeing on screen, and isn't reflecting back on events that took place in the past. His character really doesn't seem all that depersonalized or dehumanized for the majority of the film, and the narration is consistent throughout, both before and after Parris Island and before and after the Vietnam sequences. He really hasn't "seen anything" in country until that scene with the mass grave and the brief encounter where the base is attacked.
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Dec 19, 2011 19:42
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morestuff posted:D'Onofrio does a decent Orson Welles impersonation, at least. Is he actually doing that impression? Because I've always thought he did the physical performance and someone else ADR'ed the lines. And yeah he is hilarious in MIB.
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Dec 19, 2011 20:21
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Is he actually doing that impression? Because I've always thought he did the physical performance and someone else ADR'ed the lines. Corrected myself a little - Maurice LaMarche was doing the voice. The guy basically made a living doing Welles, so that makes sense.
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Dec 19, 2011 20:30
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He can do an Orson impression without Maurice LaMarche, it's just not as perfect. Edit: Oh gently caress, beaten to it already. Instead I'll agree that MIB is his best role. "OHHHHHHYOU IDIOTS!"
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Dec 19, 2011 20:34
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morestuff posted:Corrected myself a little - Maurice LaMarche was doing the voice. The guy basically made a living doing Welles, so that makes sense. Ah okay. There's something really off about that scene and that's definitely what it is.
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Dec 19, 2011 20:42
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D'Onofrio was fantastic in The Salton Sea.
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Dec 19, 2011 23:37
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I enjoyed him in that and also he gets an instant lifetime pass from me simply for even doing a voice on the TV show Xavier: Renegade Angel. His episode had him as a weather scientist who learned how to control the weather and by control the weather I mean he made small tornadoes which he then enslaved. Complete with plantation, lynching tree and him making one of the slave tornadoes pregnant.
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Dec 20, 2011 01:48
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morestuff posted:Corrected myself a little - Maurice LaMarche was doing the voice. The guy basically made a living doing Welles, so that makes sense. I raise you him on the Critic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i7ycxiog40 Oh they're even better when you're dead!
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Dec 20, 2011 04:27
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Sand Monster posted:This makes some sense to me and I suppose could explain it, but Joker's narration is... I don't know the proper term for it, but it seems like it is taking place in conjunction with what the audience is seeing on screen, and isn't reflecting back on events that took place in the past. His character really doesn't seem all that depersonalized or dehumanized for the majority of the film, and the narration is consistent throughout, both before and after Parris Island and before and after the Vietnam sequences. He really hasn't "seen anything" in country until that scene with the mass grave and the brief encounter where the base is attacked. That's kinda central to the main argument of the film---we're seeing a bunch of guys who are little more than kids stripped of their individuality, trained to fight---to want to fight---and then dumped into a giant shitstorm. Joker is supposed to be the stereotypical all-American boy who gets put through this process. He's not aware of what's going on---he eventually becomes explicitly complicit in it, buying into the idea that he's a killer, at which point he says he's no longer afraid and simultaneously becomes literally indistinguishable from all the other marines---so when he's telling the audience about his experiences, they sound like a `what I did this summer' story that's been recited many times before.
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Dec 20, 2011 05:17
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That's a great observation which I've never heard before. FMJ is shockingly under-analysized.
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Dec 20, 2011 05:41
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penismightier posted:That's a great observation which I've never heard before. FMJ is shockingly under-analysized. The guy who wrote this http://www.collativelearning.com/FMJ%20contents.html also did a 6 or 7 part video analysis that has since disappeared, probably from a cease and desist no doubt, that was really in depth and interesting.
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Dec 20, 2011 06:09
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Nutsngum posted:The guy who wrote this http://www.collativelearning.com/FMJ%20contents.html also did a 6 or 7 part video analysis that has since disappeared, probably from a cease and desist no doubt, that was really in depth and interesting. Yeah, I've seen that and it's great - and it's also what made me realize how little there is on the subject.
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Dec 20, 2011 06:10
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That's also directly in line with the book, where a big portion of the narrative follows their training and brainwashing from naive high school aged kids into naive marines. They leave boot camp feeling like ten foot tall killers 'ready to eat their own guts and ask for seconds', only to arrive in Viet Nam and realize that the line they've been fed was utter bullshit. They're then picked off and killed one by one by a faceless killer who turns out to be a girl even younger than they are, who is also a victim of propaganda. One thing that doesn't get pointed out often is that the marines make a huge show out of being hardcore killers, even if they aren't yet, as a coping mechanism. The entire argument over who had been in The poo poo could be easily compared to high school kids in the locker room bragging about who had gotten to third base with a girl.
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Dec 20, 2011 11:55
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Speaking of Short Cuts, I was wondering, are we supposed to believe that Bill and especially the girl who was walking with him decided to cover up seeing Jerry commit murder since the news report at the end said the one fatality was from falling rocks? Maybe I missed something, but I have a hard time seeing that happen.
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