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Contra Calculus posted:GOON PROJECT: Let's write a satisfying ending to A Song of Ice and Fire. I apologize, but I am too busy not caring if the fucker dies. The last 2 half-books really soured me on the series.
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Fog Tripper posted:I apologize, but I am too busy not caring if the fucker dies. The last 2 half-books really soured me on the series. Is there a scientific term for reverse Stockholm Syndrome? (feeling hostility towards someone you feel has kidnapped you, but really hasn't at all) Joramun fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Dec 29, 2011 |
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Dec 29, 2011 23:22
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Joramun posted:But mostly you're just angry with yourself, for how much you really do care. George Lucas Syndrome.
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Dec 30, 2011 00:10
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goddamn Stannis is awesome. He reminds me of Severus Snape in his ability to make priggish douchebaggery bizarrely compelling (though Snape stood out more because ASOIAF has a higher number of interesting, complicated characters with decent dialogue than HP did). That chapter owned--which isn't surprising given that all the Theon chapters in Dance were loving great.
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Dec 30, 2011 00:20
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Contra Calculus posted:All right let's get this poo poo on the road. Jon Sn0 ponders the Wall, wondering what ancient spells keep the 0therz out.  ARgh-YA! , WhiteWalkar , Jon Sn0 , and BerryDanaery 
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Dec 30, 2011 00:29
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kcroy posted:Jon Sn0 ponders the Wall, wondering what ancient spells keep the 0therz out. Spoiler alert: Ygrith dies.
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Dec 30, 2011 00:34
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Joramun posted:Spoiler alert: Ygrith dies. ha
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Dec 30, 2011 00:38
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Stannis just seems really tired, and he doesn't even seem to want the throne except for the fact it's his duty as heir. Really wish GRRM had explored this side of his story more instead of all the boring eating and making GBS threads everybody else does.
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Dec 30, 2011 00:46
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Maytag posted:he doesn't even seem to want the throne except for the fact it's his duty as heir. That's what makes him great and perfect for the job. He doesn't even want it but he's just that stubborn and dedicated to the rules.
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Dec 30, 2011 00:49
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Well, it means he's not after the throne for his own personal glory, which is better than most of the other contenders. But would he be a good king? I think he's perhaps too stodgy to rule well. Well enough to reassemble the kingdom but not to hold it, I think.
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Dec 30, 2011 00:57
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Intel&Sebastian posted:That's what makes him great and perfect for the job. He doesn't even want it but he's just that stubborn and dedicated to the rules. It has gotten past that point I think.. he has a ridiculous amount of pride, and is bitter about getting passed over/disliked. Dude has issues. There is one line that really seemed out of character - he bitches Jon Snow out about his "Honor" at one point, and its like WTF... He is a doomed character - just a question of how he goes. He and Ramsey seem to be opposites, with a similar pride issue. Both have been passed over - both are laughed at/ridiculed - both are extreme personalities. Stannis has his Righteousness and Ramsay has his Unregulated Desires.
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Dec 30, 2011 00:58
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kcroy posted:There is one line that really seemed out of character - he bitches Jon Snow out about his "Honor" at one point, and its like WTF... There's honor and then there's duty. Remember, Stannis was entirely willing to sacrifice Robert's bastard for his own ends (Ie an innocent child, something that Ned Stark would never do, and he seems to be pretty much the representation of honor in ASOIAF). Honor has it's uses but when it's getting in the way, as it did with Jon Snow not accepting his offer due to his honor and not Stannis's honor, then it's an inconvenience. If that makes sense.
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Dec 30, 2011 01:22
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Joramun posted:But mostly you're just angry with yourself, for how much you really do care. You know what I care about? My signed first editions decreasing in value.
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Dec 30, 2011 01:26
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Fog Tripper posted:You know what I care about? My signed first editions decreasing in value. Uh...I just checked and Dance with Dragons is well over 400k copies sold, and bookscan both undercounts hard copy sales and doesn't factor in ebooks, so the reality is almost certainly over 600k. With sales like that, and NYTimes reviewer quotes like "Martin is the next Balzac or Dickens", I guarantee you any signed first editions you have are worth a helluva lot more now than they were, say, right after Storm was published (i.e. before the "controversial" books started coming out).
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Dec 30, 2011 02:05
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They'll be worth even more when Gurm's heart ruptures from the pressure of compacted pizza grease in the ventricles, and he can't sign any more copies.
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Dec 30, 2011 02:15
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basx posted:They'll be worth even more when Gurm's heart ruptures from the pressure of compacted pizza grease in the ventricles, and he can't sign any more copies. Hasn't stopped the fucker so far. Formulating a scene in my head, possibly involving future POV Gendry Baratheon blitzkrieging a steamtank through thr Riverlands.
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Dec 30, 2011 03:11
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Martin Van Buren posted:I liked how this new Theon chapter filled the quota for lemoncakes, 'words are wind', and 'must needs' all in one fell swoop. Also liked seeing Theon slowly returning back to his old self, giggling and smiling at himself and whatnot, though that could just be him going nuts. What's the word on "DARK WINGS, DARK WORDS," i haven't read the chapter yet but I assume that phrase is in there at least 8 times
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Dec 30, 2011 03:37
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Niccy Bones posted:There's honor and then there's duty. Remember, Stannis was entirely willing to sacrifice Robert's bastard for his own ends (Ie an innocent child, something that Ned Stark would never do, and he seems to be pretty much the representation of honor in ASOIAF). Honor has it's uses but when it's getting in the way, as it did with Jon Snow not accepting his offer due to his honor and not Stannis's honor, then it's an inconvenience. hrm yeah - I hadn't thought of that distinction.
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Dec 30, 2011 04:32
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Vertigus posted:What's the word on "DARK WINGS, DARK WORDS," i haven't read the chapter yet but I assume that phrase is in there at least 8 times There's a messenger bird with grave implications
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Dec 30, 2011 05:17
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Vertigus posted:What's the word on "DARK WINGS, DARK WORDS," i haven't read the chapter yet but I assume that phrase is in there at least 8 times It's not exactly in there but roughly half the dialogue is quorked or muttered. There's urination in there too. Anyone else noticed that the page is titled "Wild Cards Sample?"
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Dec 30, 2011 05:22
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Martin Van Buren posted:Anyone else noticed that the page is titled "Wild Cards Sample?" Better believe I noticed that. I skipped to the end of the sample to see if it was gonna end up as an elaborate prank. It was a good chapter though. But it'll be kinda weird if Stannis ends up just listening to Asha about trying to kill Theon in a godswood, even if Bran or Asha somehow saving him would be badass. Theon has a pretty high chance of survival since he didn't actually commit the crime he's being killed for, killing the Stark boys. Bran will do some warging, or Manderly or one of his men will show up and talk about Rickon and Osha or something.
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Dec 30, 2011 05:37
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Koirhor posted:deus ex bran   , but sometimes something must needsIntel&Sebastian posted:That's what makes him great and perfect for the job. He doesn't even want it but he's just that stubborn and dedicated to the rules. If that were the case, as soon as he became aware of a surviving Targ claiming the throne he would jump up at the chance to let the bitter cup pass. Yet I'm pretty sure that if Aegon sent him a letter demanding obedience Stannis would reply with a ton of rationalisations for why he still ought to be king. The guy has at least as much pride as sense of duty. NihilCredo fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Dec 30, 2011 |
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Dec 30, 2011 06:06
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Actually, if it were possible to re-texture the cereal to look like wood chips it'd be the perfect 'shop. e: Metropolis posted:Theon has a pretty high chance of survival since he didn't actually commit the crime he's being killed for, killing the Stark boys. Bran will do some warging, or Manderly or one of his men will show up and talk about Rickon and Osha or something. (I haven't and likely won't read the posted chapters, so this response is solely going off of what's said in the thread) Yeah, but Stannis isn't going to pretend it was all OK because Theon only murdered a peasant family in order to stick the children's heads on a pike. Stannis was willing to execute someone of royal blood, no matter how innocent, but that was because he was the King, saving his Kingdom. He was exercising his rightful dominion, while Theon was attempting to cement his unlawful overthrow of the order of things. Theon also has arguably-royal blood, which is an especially good reason to kill two birds with one stone. Unless Theon is rescued, he will be executed. Stannis cannot do anything else. e2: NihilCredo posted:If that were the case, as soon as he became aware of a surviving Targ claiming the throne he would jump up at the chance to let the bitter cup pass. Yet I'm pretty sure that if Aegon sent him a letter demanding obedience Stannis would reply with a ton of rationalisations for why he still ought to be king. The guy has at least as much pride as sense of duty. While true, Stannis has very good reasons to retain "his" crown. One has to factor in the successful dethroning of the Targaryens, sealed by the execution of as many members of the royal family as the new order could seize. There was then a second affirmation of the Baratheon right to rule during the Greyjoy Rebellion, when the entire Kingdom sent men to assist Robert when he sought to enforce his claim to the entirety of Westeros. Meanwhile, Aegon is just some guy with a mercenary army who looks like he might be a Targaryen. Should Aegon seek to reclaim his throne, he should attempt to do so by the same means by which the Targaryens lost it. whowhatwhere fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Dec 30, 2011 |
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whowhatwhere posted:
One reason I can see Stannis letting Theon live for awhile is that he'll offer to hand him over to Jon Snow if Jon will become the lord of Winterfell. I got the impression from the sample chapter that Gurm may have been dropping more hints about the origins of Ramsay's letter to Jon. The maester from the Dreadfort was there and had Ravens with him(with at least one of them being dispatched after he had been in the town) and we saw in Theon's POV that Theon was blabbing about Mance and the spearwives and everything else that was going on in Winterfell in front of a large group of people when he first saw Asha.
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Dec 30, 2011 09:31
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NihilCredo posted:The two week challenge better be to run around with the superstrength aug, stacking boxes and poo poo so you can non-lethal the gently caress out of your mission. By which I mean warg into Hodor.
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Dec 30, 2011 13:49
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Raisin' Bran is the working title of Catelyn's upcoming autobiography.
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Dec 30, 2011 13:54
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I would be really excited if John Lithgow played Bran from now on.
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Dec 30, 2011 13:59
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literallyincredible posted:Uh...I just checked and Dance with Dragons is well over 400k copies sold, and bookscan both undercounts hard copy sales and doesn't factor in ebooks, so the reality is almost certainly over 600k. With sales like that, and NYTimes reviewer quotes like "Martin is the next Balzac or Dickens", I guarantee you any signed first editions you have are worth a helluva lot more now than they were, say, right after Storm was published (i.e. before the "controversial" books started coming out). heh heh heh heh you said 'ball sac' heh heh heh heh
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Dec 30, 2011 14:10
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savinhill posted:
There is a sample chapter? Good god, I've only got 6 or 10 more years to read Dance with Dragons before the next book comes out! Will someone please do chapter summaries for tower of the hand? http://towerofthehand.com/books/105/003/index.html
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Spermy Smurf posted:Will someone please do chapter summaries for tower of the hand? Here's the entire book: Tyrion whines, Dany shits, Jon gets stabbed, Davos and Theon actually do poo poo.
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Dec 30, 2011 17:53
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Contra Calculus posted:Here's the entire book: Tyrion whines, Dany shits, Jon gets stabbed, Davos and Theon actually do poo poo. You forgot about Quentyn and Bran's excellent adventures.
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Dec 30, 2011 17:58
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Bran turns into a tree hive-mind, and Quentyn fucks everything up and dragons finally do poo poo.
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Dec 30, 2011 19:20
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kcroy posted:He is a doomed character - just a question of how he goes. He and Ramsey seem to be opposites, with a similar pride issue. Both have been passed over - both are laughed at/ridiculed - both are extreme personalities. Stannis has his Righteousness and Ramsay has his Unregulated Desires. Yeah but Ramsay is a bastard who's lucky to have been legitimized. Stannis was stiffed on inheriting Storms End and the whole rightful heir to the throne thing, which are pretty legit complaints. Was there ever a proper explanation for why he ended up not getting Storms End? I feel like there was but I can't remember. NihilCredo posted:If that were the case, as soon as he became aware of a surviving Targ claiming the throne he would jump up at the chance to let the bitter cup pass. Yet I'm pretty sure that if Aegon sent him a letter demanding obedience Stannis would reply with a ton of rationalisations for why he still ought to be king. The guy has at least as much pride as sense of duty. Well the Targs got kicked out via battle and everyone pledged to Robert...which got firmly established over at least 15 years. Selmy, Connington, Aegon, Illyrio, Varys and Dany are the only people in the whole world who still think they have a legit claim to the throne as far as we know. I don't think it's really just a pride issue, his family took the throne about as fairly and squarely as you're going to get in this world. I still think he never initially set out to be a king but when it's either that, some incestual money grubbers, or the Targaryeans he's gonna pick himself. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Dec 30, 2011 |
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Dec 30, 2011 19:24
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Dragonstone is the place that the guy next in line for the throne gets, I think, even though it's crappier than the Baratheon family home. And Robert is kind of a dick so he probably enjoyed following "tradition" and making Stannis mad.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Well the Targs got kicked out via battle and everyone pledged to Robert...which got firmly established over at least 15 years. Selmy, Connington, Aegon, Illyrio, Varys and Dany are the only people in the whole world who still think they have a legit claim to the throne as far as we know. There are quite a few Targaryen loyalists from the civil war who had lands taken and the like. One of those two families Jamie dealt with in ADWD sided with the Targs and would probably side with them again just to gently caress over the other family. I doubt any of the major houses would side with the Targs unless they started getting really lucky, but it's not like only ten people and their allies support the Targ claim.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Well the Targs got kicked out via battle and everyone pledged to Robert...which got firmly established over at least 15 years. Selmy, Connington, Aegon, Illyrio, Varys and Dany are the only people in the whole world who still think they have a legit claim to the throne as far as we know. Dorne would side with the Targs too. Also you're forgetting secret Targs.
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Sophia posted:You forgot about Quentyn and Bran's excellent adventures. Oh yeah, a guy named Quentyn exists and gets killed two seconds after he's introduced. Bran wargs into a tree and will become a gundam tree or something. Also, some guy named Jon Connington is gay, the end.
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Contra Calculus posted:Also, some guy named Jon Connington is gay, the end. 
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I would be really excited if John Lithgow played Bran from now on. Only if Christopher Walken plays Jon.
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Joramun posted:Gay and a badass. It's actually quite refreshing. The way he took back Griffin's Roost was so dashing. Gay Badass and already has his death all planned out. or DOES he???????
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