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KetTarma
Jul 25, 2003

Suffer not the lobbyist to live.

Ryand-Smith posted:

what do you need to do before you leave then, any tips or thins like that?

#1 Get your college degree in an accredited engineering field. Thomas Edison doesnt count as they are not accredited.
#2 Qualify senior in rate and do not lose your NEC
#3 Maintain your security clearance. Renew it early if the opportunity presents itself
#4 Qualify EWS/PPWS/EOOW/TEOOW/PPWO, as applicable.
#5 Don't worry about Quality Assurance quals. I've never heard of anyone getting hired based on these including guys that worked in the QA office trying to get out to do QA. It doesnt seem to translate.
#6 Qualify Master Training Specialist if you get sent to a command that has that available. Currently only NNPTC has an active program due to problems at NPTU.
#7 Save enough money to last you at least one year of unemployment. You might gap your pay holding out for a good nuclear licensing class
#8 Be in charge of people for a resume bullet. Carrier guys get the hookup on this since we have so many people it sounds more impressive. Workcenter supervisor of 20 people sounds better than LPO of 7 since no one knows what WCS/LPO mean in the real world.

The most important ones are obvious. #4 helps but isn't as important as #1 so don't get led astray by chiefs.

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belt
May 12, 2001

by Nyc_Tattoo

KetTarma posted:

There is literally no reason to stay in past 8 6 years.

Sorry, I had to.

MonkeyFit
May 13, 2009
I just got to school and intend to buy an unlocked phone and then go with a monthly plan. Can anyone recommend AT&T or T-Mobile? I hear Verizon works the best, but they have a CDMA network, and I would rather get a GSM phone.

KetTarma
Jul 25, 2003

Suffer not the lobbyist to live.
I.. think you're in the wrong forum.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=192

camino
Feb 23, 2006
gently caress it. Go with AT&T. They're probably going to buy T-Mobile, so you'll wind up with them anyways.

If you are a nuke and not just a drunk that posted in the wrong thread, when you wind up in Toulon or Barcelona or something you can go buy a SIM card for your GSM phone and use it there. Can't do that with CDMA.

EDIT: But if you just got to A-School, don't worry about it and buy the shiniest one. You'll probably buy three cell phones in the next year, as well as $2000 in stuff from Hot Topic, a cowboy hat, and a Mustang.

camino fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Dec 8, 2011

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
Hello, people who are actually involved in Naval Nuclear Operations.

I've gotten the idea that if we started adapting naval techniques and technology into civilian applications we could develop a really robust nuclear grid. The only reason we haven't is because the tech is understandably sensitive.

Does this have any truth to it or is there alot more overlap between civilian and military nuclear tech than I know?

Cousarr
Apr 29, 2008

Only a king can make this face.
Due to the aforementioned sensitive nature of the material I'm going to go with a vague answer here. Yes.

Third World Reagan
May 19, 2008

Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.
What do you mean by robust nuclear grid? More nuclear power plants on our current electrical grid or what?

As far as the technology is concerned, here is the basics. Hot rock boils water, makes steam, turbines go roundy roundy, electricty is made. It is a boiler like conventional power plants, just the heat source is different.

KetTarma
Jul 25, 2003

Suffer not the lobbyist to live.

McDowell posted:

Hello, people who are actually involved in Naval Nuclear Operations.

I've gotten the idea that if we started adapting naval techniques and technology into civilian applications we could develop a really robust nuclear grid. The only reason we haven't is because the tech is understandably sensitive.

Does this have any truth to it or is there alot more overlap between civilian and military nuclear tech than I know?

No, there's no truth to it.

The only reason nuclear isnt more widespread is the public fear of OMGATOMZ.

Third World Reagan
May 19, 2008

Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.
I've seen civilian reactors more advanced than the naval ones I've worked with.

Also they just do 100% power all the time where in the navy, you don't do that.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
Ah the constant energy demands would be an issue.

I was also considering how the reactors used on subs must be very durable and easily maintained. I know the general public fear of atomic energy is a big hurdle but I was also considering if there was a state secrets element too (we don't want to make it easier for the Chinese to build a nuclear fleet)

Thanks for the info.

Third World Reagan
May 19, 2008

Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.

McDowell posted:

Ah the constant energy demands would be an issue.

I was also considering how the reactors used on subs must be very durable and easily maintained. I know the general public fear of atomic energy is a big hurdle but I was also considering if there was a state secrets element too (we don't want to make it easier for the Chinese to build a nuclear fleet)

Thanks for the info.

The secret is uranium, or thorium, or something. Look up where you can find dense radioactive things.

Also lol on the easily maintained bit.

Huge_Midget
Jun 6, 2002

I don't like the look of it...
So I just happened to stumble into GiP on a whim looking for a thread about the supposed UAV that Iran has captured, and I saw this thread. My younger brother is at Goose Creek in the nuclear program now. He's a pretty smart kid, and it would be a pretty hilariously small world if the OP knew him or was one of his instructors. I'd post his real name but I don't know if that would be kosher. I know he says it is the toughest thing he's ever done, and I hope he makes it.

Third World Reagan
May 19, 2008

Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.
When your brother gets through school and gets to the fleet, save this for him.

"I always knew you were a smart kid, then you joined the nuke program and now I know better."

Huge_Midget
Jun 6, 2002

I don't like the look of it...
I also find his enrollment in the nuke program hilariously ironic. I was the uber-nerd in school and he was the cool jock. While I never had to study and pulled straight A's he had to buckle down and actually work at good grades. In third grade, I won a state science fair contest because I built a model of a nuclear power plant and could explain what neutron flux and void coefficients were. I took every science class I could in high school and double majored in chemistry and computer science at Purdue. My brother was the typical cool kid jock, and downplayed the intelligence in order to maintain his image. Now I work as a network admin and he is in nuke school, I never thought I'd see that day.

1337_ScriptKiddie
Mar 21, 2009

What is going on in here?

Huge_Midget posted:

I also find his enrollment in the nuke program hilariously ironic. I was the uber-nerd in school and he was the cool jock. While I never had to study and pulled straight A's he had to buckle down and actually work at good grades. In third grade, I won a state science fair contest because I built a model of a nuclear power plant and could explain what neutron flux and void coefficients were. I took every science class I could in high school and double majored in chemistry and computer science at Purdue. My brother was the typical cool kid jock, and downplayed the intelligence in order to maintain his image. Now I work as a network admin and he is in nuke school, I never thought I'd see that day.

Get a commission and boss your brother around.

KetTarma
Jul 25, 2003

Suffer not the lobbyist to live.

McDowell posted:

Ah the constant energy demands would be an issue.

I was also considering how the reactors used on subs must be very durable and easily maintained. I know the general public fear of atomic energy is a big hurdle but I was also considering if there was a state secrets element too (we don't want to make it easier for the Chinese to build a nuclear fleet)

Thanks for the info.

Constant energy is what reactors do. As far as goon students: id make sure he wasn't assigned to my crew. I don't want to deal with drama from special treatment accusations :P

Mad Dragon
Feb 29, 2004

KetTarma posted:

As far as goon students: id make sure he wasn't assigned to my crew. I don't want to deal with drama from special treatment accusations :P

:qq: but... but.. I have stairs in my house :qq:

Huge_Midget
Jun 6, 2002

I don't like the look of it...

KetTarma posted:

Constant energy is what reactors do. As far as goon students: id make sure he wasn't assigned to my crew. I don't want to deal with drama from special treatment accusations :P

FYI my brother at nuke school is not a goon, nor do I think he even knows what SA is.

KetTarma I sent you a PM.

KetTarma
Jul 25, 2003

Suffer not the lobbyist to live.
I sent a reply. The end got cut off because I'm in bed on my laptop. If you have any concerns, let me know and I can probably figure something out.

Fraternization sucks. We get training on it pretty often and people still get nailed for it.

RCK-101
Feb 19, 2008

If a recruiter asks you to become a nuclear sailor.. you say no

KetTarma posted:

I sent a reply. The end got cut off because I'm in bed on my laptop. If you have any concerns, let me know and I can probably figure something out.

Fraternization sucks. We get training on it pretty often and people still get nailed for it.

When I hit Prototype if you are still here I'll PM you so we can be put away from each other or something?

MonkeyFit
May 13, 2009

camino posted:

gently caress it. Go with AT&T...Can't do that with CDMA.

Thank you. I just found out I'm stuck in indoc for a while longer, so this is the best time to get all my poo poo in order. It's uhh, interesting here. Any good advice other than develop good study habits and keep my uniforms in order?

SpaceJustice
Jan 4, 2010

MonkeyFit posted:

Thank you. I just found out I'm stuck in indoc for a while longer, so this is the best time to get all my poo poo in order. It's uhh, interesting here. Any good advice other than develop good study habits and keep my uniforms in order?

Make sure to try and fall in with people who study and are pretty squared away. This way you can keep each other honest, and the more sat you are...typically the less bullshit gets thrown your way. I would recommend taking one of each uniform to get pressed and tuck them away for inspections. As for studying, just make sure that you find something that works for you and keep with it. If you have questions, don't be afraid to ask.

There's a whole lot of poo poo to deal with at NNPTC, taking the extra time to get decent grades and having a good uniform/BEQ room will save you from a lot of the other bullshit that they could potentially throw at you.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Third World Reggin posted:

The secret is uranium, or thorium, or something. Look up where you can find dense radioactive things.

Also lol on the easily maintained bit.

I'm talking about reactor design. As in, are there elements of modern naval reactor designs that have significant advantages in size and safety compared to privately owned reactors.

http://www.hyperionpowergeneration.com/

Is Hyperion already drawing on naval expertise? If they aren't would it help them?

I'm just curious because I think Nuclear is the only real solution to the energy crisis, and as an Eisenhower Conservative I'm hoping we can one day start building these new reactors right here with our military secret recipe.

Third World Reagan
May 19, 2008

Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.
I think you need to be asking if the navy is pulling from civilian expertise.

Cause no, really.

KetTarma
Jul 25, 2003

Suffer not the lobbyist to live.

KetTarma posted:

There will only be discussion of non-technical aspects of the job in this thread. Generalities, trivia, and UNCLASS discussion only. If it isn't on wikipedia, it probably won't be in this thread either.

belt
May 12, 2001

by Nyc_Tattoo

McDowell posted:

I'm talking about reactor design. As in, are there elements of modern naval reactor designs that have significant advantages in size and safety compared to privately owned reactors.

You're comparing apples and oranges really. I think the best analogy I've heard is navy reactors are like a Dodge Viper and civilian reactors are like a freight train. One has to go 0-60 in 4 seconds and the other has to go 100% pulling a million tons as long as possible. It's two different applications which require two different designs. I work at a civilian plant now and I can tell you that if I operated my plant like I did a navy reactor I'd be shutdown in about 1 hour and I'd be going to jail. On the other hand if I would have operated my navy reactor like I do my civilian reactor, well lets just say there wouldn't be navy reactors because the program would be more than even our government is willing to pay.

If you want to get into the actual differences in safety at each one well I could talk to you for days about why I'd rather live next to a civilian plant than a navy plant.

belt
May 12, 2001

by Nyc_Tattoo
Oops, double post

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

belt posted:

You're comparing apples and oranges really. I think the best analogy I've heard is navy reactors are like a Dodge Viper and civilian reactors are like a freight train. One has to go 0-60 in 4 seconds and the other has to go 100% pulling a million tons as long as possible. It's two different applications which require two different designs. I work at a civilian plant now and I can tell you that if I operated my plant like I did a navy reactor I'd be shutdown in about 1 hour and I'd be going to jail. On the other hand if I would have operated my navy reactor like I do my civilian reactor, well lets just say there wouldn't be navy reactors because the program would be more than even our government is willing to pay.

If you want to get into the actual differences in safety at each one well I could talk to you for days about why I'd rather live next to a civilian plant than a navy plant.

Thanks, this has been an idea I've been kicking around but it's dumb to say it without talking to people who actually know what they're talking about. This thread seemed like a great chance to do so. Sorry for not listening to the OP though.

Just one more thought, can I still have hope that one day we'll see sub style reactors powering manned space missions?

KetTarma
Jul 25, 2003

Suffer not the lobbyist to live.
What would be used as a heat sink in outer space? A more realistic power source would be radioisotope thermoelectric generators.

Third World Reagan
May 19, 2008

Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.
Look if space station 13 has taught me anything, you use the vast emptyness of space, and "plasma" to make a reactor work.

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.

KetTarma posted:

What would be used as a heat sink in outer space? A more realistic power source would be radioisotope thermoelectric generators.

Such generators are already used on longterm missions such as the Voyager probes. However they are extremely inefficient and low-powered. Spacecraft typically use a mix of heat exchangers and radiating fins to cool down. It would be possible to scale up the radiating surface area to allow the use of a small fission system. Alternatively, the heat energy could be converted into a high-efficiency infrared beam or ion field that is then emitted into space. Another alternative would be simply attempting to extract as much energy out of that heat as possible, converting the excess energy into hydrogen that can be used or periodically vented.

Kaal fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Dec 10, 2011

KetTarma
Jul 25, 2003

Suffer not the lobbyist to live.

Kaal posted:

Such generators are already used on longterm missions such as the Voyager probes. However they are extremely inefficient and low-powered. Spacecraft typically use a mix of heat exchangers and radiating fins to cool down. It would be possible to scale up the radiating surface area to allow the use of a small fission system. Alternatively, the heat energy could be converted into a high-efficiency infrared beam or ion field that is then emitted into space. Another alternative would be simply attempting to extract as much energy out of that heat as possible, converting the excess energy into hydrogen that can be used or periodically vented.

Here's the problem restated: a small nuclear reactor still produces a lot of heat. In space, there is no method of heat transfer other than radiation which is extremely inefficient. Spacecraft already have enough trouble shedding heat from solar gain. I can't imagine how they would shed heat that is produced from a thermal reactor. Trying to "convert energy into hydrogen" runs into the problem of running out of reactants to expend energy on since, well, you're in space.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

KetTarma posted:

Here's the problem restated: a small nuclear reactor still produces a lot of heat. In space, there is no method of heat transfer other than radiation which is extremely inefficient. Spacecraft already have enough trouble shedding heat from solar gain. I can't imagine how they would shed heat that is produced from a thermal reactor. Trying to "convert energy into hydrogen" runs into the problem of running out of reactants to expend energy on since, well, you're in space.

The surrounding ocean is a much better heat sink than space, but it would be cool to see some real study of nuclear powered manned flight (it's an underdiscussed subject).

The OPSEC implications make it tricky though, since such manned flight has some overlap with running nuclear subs.

KetTarma
Jul 25, 2003

Suffer not the lobbyist to live.

McDowell posted:

The surrounding ocean is a much better heat sink than space, but it would be cool to see some real study of nuclear powered manned flight (it's an underdiscussed subject).

The OPSEC implications make it tricky though, since such manned flight has some overlap with running nuclear subs.

Space isn't worth poo poo as far as acting as a heat sink on the scale we're talking.

On a related note, look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_X-6 which is what I thought your post was originally refering to.

Third World Reagan
May 19, 2008

Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.
I can't wait to put a sub in space so we can test the effects of no gravity on a sub.

itsrobbiej
Oct 23, 2010
GOD only like 5 weeks left of Power School. And thanks to an instructor error, I failed a test on Friday, only to come in yesterday to find that they swapped the grades....sweet.

1337_ScriptKiddie
Mar 21, 2009

What is going on in here?
At Nuke school will I be permitted to live off base with my wife? If not how often will I be allowed to head into town to see her?

She has a phone interview coming up for an engineering job for the Navy in a civilian capacity located in Goose Creek. We were wondering if it would be worth her making the move out to South Carolina.

RCK-101
Feb 19, 2008

If a recruiter asks you to become a nuclear sailor.. you say no

1337_ScriptKiddie posted:

At Nuke school will I be permitted to live off base with my wife? If not how often will I be allowed to head into town to see her?

She has a phone interview coming up for an engineering job for the Navy in a civilian capacity located in Goose Creek. We were wondering if it would be worth her making the move out to South Carolina.

Dude, they give you married guys a house and money to pay for the move. You want the house and to not live in the beq. Trust me on this.

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KetTarma
Jul 25, 2003

Suffer not the lobbyist to live.

1337_ScriptKiddie posted:

At Nuke school will I be permitted to live off base with my wife? If not how often will I be allowed to head into town to see her?

She has a phone interview coming up for an engineering job for the Navy in a civilian capacity located in Goose Creek. We were wondering if it would be worth her making the move out to South Carolina.

You'll both reside in enlisted housing. After power school, you'll either move to New York or stay in Charleston. Either way, you'll get BAH to live out in town.


You'll live in Charleston for a year, year and a half max. After that, you'll be stationed a minimum of 214 miles away best case scenario. While you are in Charleston, you will spend the majority of your life in a secure classroom. Once you go to NPTU, you'll be on "12s" your whole time there, more than likely.

What I'm saying is that it's best for her to move with you but that you won't see her very much. Also, unless you want to geobachelor (ie get divorced within a year) she'll be quitting her job pretty soon after settling in. There's still a pretty good chance of getting divorced while in nuke school so ymmv. I say this as a nuke school instructor that sees about a thousand students a year.

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