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Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

OrangeKing posted:

I knew a girl who was really into Sailor Moon when we were in high school. We graduated from high school in 1999. She still posts hundreds of pictures of her cosplay all the time on Facebook. I mean, compared to all the stories in this thread, that's nothing, but...don't most people eventually stop? Isn't nearly 15 years of dressing up like Sailor Moon characters enough?

Is she good at it? Does she win awards at anime cons and such? That'd probably be reason enough for her to stick with it.

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Corridor
Oct 19, 2006

Professional cosplay looks kind of cool. As in, aesthetically. I used to live with a costume maker and the process was always fun to watch. Cosplayers are always bags of crazy and pros even more so, but I can appreciate the artistic value of the uh, 'craft'.

Cassius Belli
May 22, 2010

horny is prohibited

WebDog posted:

Didn't he swear he was going to remove himself from cons and the Internet? We left on such a cliffhanger.

Yep. We were placing charity bets on whether or not he would follow through with it. Fantasmo made a charity bet that he wouldn't change, and then made the donation right after the post because "I can [see?] the future and Bibeau will always be a self-entitled fartweasel wholly incapable of empathy or discipline."

Fascinator
Jan 2, 2011

The four stages of E/N posting.

OrangeKing posted:

I knew a girl who was really into Sailor Moon when we were in high school. We graduated from high school in 1999. She still posts hundreds of pictures of her cosplay all the time on Facebook. I mean, compared to all the stories in this thread, that's nothing, but...don't most people eventually stop? Isn't nearly 15 years of dressing up like Sailor Moon characters enough?

You wouldn't happen to have graduated in Queens, would you? I also know a girl who graduated in 99 and still obsesses over Sailor Moon, though her FB pictures are blocked for me so I have no idea if she posts cosplay or not.

OrangeKing
Dec 5, 2002

They do play in October!

Fascinator posted:

You wouldn't happen to have graduated in Queens, would you? I also know a girl who graduated in 99 and still obsesses over Sailor Moon, though her FB pictures are blocked for me so I have no idea if she posts cosplay or not.

No, can't say I did, sorry! I don't get the impression this is a rare thing, though.

I don't think she wins awards or anything like that - she hasn't mentioned it on Facebook if she has, anyway. It's not what she does professionally, it's just a hobby from what I can tell. I definitely didn't mean to suggest she's anything like any of the people in this thread (in fact, she was very nice and a friend in high school, if not a close one), it's just strange to see someone who is 30, but has well over 90% of their photos s them in costume.

lt_kennedy
Sep 2, 2007
Needs Moar Race
I know a girls who would qualify heavily for this thread but luckily I wasn't that close a friend with them to really see/experience the madness first hand. One girl though who these days is pretty chill and pleasant to be around didn't used to be.

For one she had 'yellow fever' - in a big way - when she and her bff and I were walking around town she'd point to any random Asian man, usually the young uni student type that congregate around the Starbucks in our city's center and yell 'I want to gently caress it'.

She called them it. Having a thing for Asian boys, whatever yeah I have a thing for white boys but I would never refer to other people as 'it' - that was some bizzaro dehumanizing racism right there.

Luckily she mellowed out once she started dating a -shock- white boy, who is a very sweet and nice young dude and seems to bring out the best in her. Which is good, because she's actually a great person.

For a while I knew a certain big name in the Harry Potter fan art world who'd greatest claim to fame was being served a cease and desist from WB for her under aged rape fan art.

Its threads and sagas like this that make me thankfully that I consciously stopped myself from getting too deep into fandom poo poo. I have nerdy friend and my own nerdy pursuits, I too understood how lonely adolescences was but even when I was ten and suicidal I somehow never latched onto something to absorb myself into a healing fantasy world. Probably why I'm so bitter now :):

MadRhetoric
Feb 18, 2011

I POSSESS QUESTIONABLE TASTE IN TOUHOU GAMES
This is from a while back but it is art.

the kawaiiest posted:

You see, apparently, little children getting raped is super kawaii.

[...]

That's why her Christmas box was bigger. It was full of kiddie porn.

I am awed and a little disgusted by the crazy you endured, kawaiiest.

When I was a kid (up until around I turned 13, I'd say) I was dangerously close to prime thread material; your typical friendless nerd who believed in GRORIOUS ZIPANG so much that I wanted to go to Tokyo U. I also spent my formative years on the Internet right when it was turning into the lynchpin of modern life, so I got a healthy dose of weird Internet poo poo; I grew up trawling PoE and spent half my teenage life on early 4chan. You name it, I probably almost became it. For gently caress's sake I almost became a furry because 12-year-old me didn't realize there was something fundamentally wrong with a skunk/zebra/pornstar hybrid with a dildobat, nor did 8-year-old me find anything wrong with really wanting to be a purple skunk for a school play. 21-year-old me is pretty :stonk: looking back on it now; it took having normal friends to realize that this was not normal and I am forever grateful for that.

I had a knack for drawing back then and decided I'd learn how to draw animez. It was standard fare, but I had the urge to improve my craft and looked for critique. I heard from somewhere that a good way to learn figure drawing was from nudes.

Being a stupid weeaboo I though hentai was an acceptable substitute.

Being a stupid underage weeaboo I thought loli was an acceptable substitute.

So in my attempts to become a mangaka, I drew a lot of (kiddie) porn, completely unaware of the implications of being a tweenage boy drawing a lot of (kiddie) porn. :siren:I DO NOT DO THIS NOW:siren:

It took me getting busted twice for having anime titties in my school stuff to put the kibosh on that, which are stories in and of themselves. Now that I'm older, I know that drawing porn is how a couple of mangaka actually got their start so maybe young me was savvier than I thought. :v:

Funnily enough, Something Awful probably saved me from going over the edge; with this site (and it's bastard child) ceaselessly mocking the worst parts of those terrible things, I was able to see how bad they were and pull back. I mean, I'll probably never be a sexhaver because of this, but at least I have a shot at normalcy now.

MadRhetoric fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Jan 2, 2012

SexyBlindfold
Apr 24, 2008
i dont care how much probation i get capital letters are for squares hehe im so laid back an nice please read my low effort shitposts about the arab spring

thanxs!!!
couple of pages back but

the kawaiiest posted:

Realizing that I was disappointed and disgusted, she quickly started telling me all about how society is just repressing the children's sexuality because of the Bible (???) and that she didn't think there was anything wrong with children having sex at all and that Japan, being a superior culture, knew that. This turned into a full on sperg about the glorious nation of Japan and its perfect culture, and how their superiority is illustrated by the existence of wonderful things such as enjo-kosai and lolicon. When she was done sperging, she looked at me with a triumphant expression and said, "do you understand now?"

for some reason, as i read this the slideshow scene from Red Dragon sprung into memory

uglynoodles
May 28, 2009


lt_kennedy posted:

For a while I knew a certain big name in the Harry Potter fan art world who'd greatest claim to fame was being served a cease and desist from WB for her under aged rape fan art.

Snapesnogger? :haw:

Hey guys if I might be very self-serving here for a minute and drop a link to my SA-Mart thread which is about offering my services as a freelance illustrator (or inker, or colourist whatever's needed) here it is. Since I lost my job I'm going through some pretty tough times and I'd like to buy groceries and pay rent and eventually send myself to This Foundation in Game Art Course in order to learn and further my career in art. Any help with contacts or leads for work of that nature would be greatly appreciated.

Of course, I wouldn't ask such a favour of you without something in return!



My CD Player Skips When Dimension Portals are Near

Denise had this portable CD player as so many of us did in middle school as it was before such infernal sorceries as MP3 players. It was black, and the spinning axle thing was propped with duct tape. It was a piece of poo poo. But she continually used it every day, moving her head in slow motion to Enriqué Iglesias songs or whatever back in the Heero days, and just listening to One Winged Angel on repeat later on.

I asked her why she doesn't get a new one -- It's not like they were that expensive and all she'd have to do is not buy an issue of manga for a week and she could get a better one. But no, see, she kept this one because whenever the CD skipped -- which was all the time -- that meant a dimensional rift was nearby that the guys could bust through at any moment. She said it was an 'artifact' meant for detecting weak dimensional walls, and that had been inserted into this CD player by an ancient being.

I'm pretty thoroughly convinced that Denise really believed all this poo poo.

Fascinator
Jan 2, 2011

The four stages of E/N posting.

OrangeKing posted:

No, can't say I did, sorry! I don't get the impression this is a rare thing, though.

I don't think she wins awards or anything like that - she hasn't mentioned it on Facebook if she has, anyway. It's not what she does professionally, it's just a hobby from what I can tell. I definitely didn't mean to suggest she's anything like any of the people in this thread (in fact, she was very nice and a friend in high school, if not a close one), it's just strange to see someone who is 30, but has well over 90% of their photos s them in costume.

Yeah, I don't think there's anything really horrible about it, but I think it's extremely strange to maintain an incredibly high level of interest in a particular aspect of entertainment for so long. I mean, I wouldn't bat an eye if I ran into my junior-year chemistry partner and found out he still liked to watch wrestling on the weekends, but I'd be extremely weirded out if he still wore shirts with the Rock on them every day and never talked about anything else. There's something about that level of interest in an aspect of mass media that is incredibly off-putting and inappropriate in an adult.

RoeCocoa
Oct 23, 2010

uglynoodles posted:

My CD Player Skips When Dimension Portals are Near

Those times when Kat made special mention of Denise wearing headphones, make so much more sense now.

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

Fascinator posted:

Yeah, I don't think there's anything really horrible about it, but I think it's extremely strange to maintain an incredibly high level of interest in a particular aspect of entertainment for so long. I mean, I wouldn't bat an eye if I ran into my junior-year chemistry partner and found out he still liked to watch wrestling on the weekends, but I'd be extremely weirded out if he still wore shirts with the Rock on them every day and never talked about anything else. There's something about that level of interest in an aspect of mass media that is incredibly off-putting and inappropriate in an adult.
To be fair, in the case OrangeKing mentions, it might just be a case of selective Facebook posting -- not to get too devil's-advocate-y, but I can see a situation where she's comfortable posting cosplay photos but considers photos from her everyday life too personal to post publicly. (Or maybe her everyday life just isn't photographically documented.) If her Facebook feed is mostly normal stuff, I'd be inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt, but if it's all about her every-weekend con schedule and her costuming, that kind of sets off warning bells.

Also, holy crap, Denise's Magical CD Player is amazing. On one hand, it's another sad example of her using her fantasy life to compensate for an unsatisfying reality, but on the other it's really compellingly odd. (Besides, like uglynoodles said, replacing a portable CD player wasn't exactly outside of her power.)

Haquer
Nov 15, 2009

That windswept look...

Antivehicular posted:

(Besides, like uglynoodles said, replacing a portable CD player wasn't exactly outside of her power.)

But then how could the guys break through the dimensional rift???

the kawaiiest
Dec 22, 2010

Uguuuu ~

MadRhetoric posted:

skunk/zebra/pornstar hybrid
Oh God I think I know this character, mr. Furry had several of her comics. Is she friends with a skunk girl who wears no pants by any chance?

Fascinator posted:

Yeah, I don't think there's anything really horrible about it, but I think it's extremely strange to maintain an incredibly high level of interest in a particular aspect of entertainment for so long. I mean, I wouldn't bat an eye if I ran into my junior-year chemistry partner and found out he still liked to watch wrestling on the weekends, but I'd be extremely weirded out if he still wore shirts with the Rock on them every day and never talked about anything else. There's something about that level of interest in an aspect of mass media that is incredibly off-putting and inappropriate in an adult.
Yeah, I think there's a big difference between a healthy interest and, you know, insanity. I'm an artist, and I've loved animation since I was a little kid. I love everything about the process of making an animated film, and really wish that I could work in the industry (my dream is to be a story artist at Disney). I don't, however, think that life is a Disney movie, or dress up like a Disney Princess, or think that Goofy is my astral husband or anything like that. On the other hand, :nws: there are people like Dolphy :nws: out there who are, well... just completely broken.

Dolphy is an especially interesting kind of crazy because she is actually talented and not bad-looking at all (or wasn't, a few years ago when I saw a photo of her). I often wonder what made her brain snap and turned her into this sad creature. Oh well. :(

The Bible
May 8, 2010

I knew a few people like this in high school. Being a weird gently caress myself, I ended up hanging out with them sometimes. I've never met one who wasn't fat and covered in acne with greasy hair.

The younger me had even less tact than I do now, so I ended up asking them why these anime/video game characters who, in comparison with reality, would have beyond superhuman powers and would rank among the most powerful forces in the universe, would be spending their time with a bunch of fat, greasy do-nothings, let alone falling in love with them.

There were no satisfactory answers, I'm afraid.

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



I think I know that skunk/zebra/pornstar thing too, wasn't it an old furry comic way back in the 90s? I remember reading some webcomic review which pointed it out as one of the primary culprits for creating :lol: strong female characters :lol: by giving them a past full of rape, incest and nasty poo poo. That's why she grew up to be a nymphomaniac and bisexual and a pornstar! :downs:

YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007

WASP CREW
I think it's called Sabrina Online, and I'm pretty sure it's still going.

fork bomb
Apr 26, 2010

:shroom::shroom:

the kawaiiest posted:

Is she friends with a skunk girl who wears no pants by any chance?

Been following since the beginning. I just want to check everyone involved (poster and lurker alike) when this question becomes involved.

Is she a skunk girl who wears no pants?

John Liver
May 4, 2009

YggiDee posted:

I think it's called Sabrina Online, and I'm pretty sure it's still going.

A cursory Google search reveals that this poo poo has been going for over 15 years.

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

inconspicuous
Hey, the kawaiiest, nice to see other BRgoons around. I assume you're from Sao Paulo? There are some crazy stories from there that make it to the news like that Gunbound account death threats debacle.

I don't have that many stories to tell, my city isn't very large and neither is the nerd community, but there are the staple crazies like the rabid yaoi fangirl who wanted to be a boy or some poo poo and the smelly neckbeard otaku types. Might add a little more later, but it's pretty run-of-the-mill stuff.

Anyway, thanks for the stories people, looking back now i see that i could have very easily slided into this kind of poo poo, so it's a little sad to read about those who didn't make it :smith:

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

Goddammit, I had almost managed to purge the part of my brain that remembers Sabrina Online! Goddammit!

... and now another part of my brain chooses to remind me that I know a dude who owned a skunk-themed fursuit. Welp, guess it's time to weep silently for my generation.

Corridor
Oct 19, 2006

uglynoodles posted:

Snapesnogger? :haw:

She needs a whole thread devoted to her. The ED page is ridiculously long. Back when I was on DA I wrote a single news post saying "So Snapesnogger is pretty drat crazy" and in less than a day she shot me a rambling PM demanding to know why and crying about something unrelated I dunno.

MadRhetoric posted:

looking back on it now; it took having normal friends to realize that this was not normal and I am forever grateful for that.

--

Funnily enough, Something Awful probably saved me from going over the edge; with this site (and it's bastard child) ceaselessly mocking the worst parts of those terrible things, I was able to see how bad they were and pull back. I mean, I'll probably never be a sexhaver because of this, but at least I have a shot at normalcy now.


See, our mockery and bubble-bursting of internet crazies is theraputic. We are only trying to save them from themselves.

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



Well I'm just glad I never read Sabrina Online. 15 years, bloody hell. And it looks like his art never improved.

My favourite thing about Snapesnogger was her going to conceptart asking for crits. I mean, asking for praise. So she uploaded a picture of a pregnant snake woman with no nose breastfeeding two kids or something insipid. What a glorious trainwreck that was.

Making Snape pregnant and eradicating his nose all the time, not so much.

Heresiarch
Oct 6, 2005

Literature is not exhaustible, for the sufficient and simple reason that no single book is. A book is not an isolated being: it is a relationship, an axis of innumerable relationships.

The Saddest Rhino posted:

Well I'm just glad I never read Sabrina Online. 15 years, bloody hell. And it looks like his art never improved.

This happens a lot with artists in any kind of fandom ghetto. Furry, animu, whatever. They just stop improving after a certain point because you don't actually have to be very good to get loving worshiped as long as you're pandering to the right fans.

YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007

WASP CREW
No dude, it wasn't a snake-woman, it was exactly 60% female and 40% male! Conceptart tore Snapesnogger apart.

the kawaiiest
Dec 22, 2010

Uguuuu ~
Oh God yes it is Sabrina Online. :gonk:

Danilh posted:

Hey, the kawaiiest, nice to see other BRgoons around. I assume you're from Sao Paulo? There are some crazy stories from there that make it to the news like that Gunbound account death threats debacle.
Indeed I am. Very, very glad to be out of there, too.

Heresiarch posted:

This happens a lot with artists in any kind of fandom ghetto. Furry, animu, whatever. They just stop improving after a certain point because you don't actually have to be very good to get loving worshiped as long as you're pandering to the right fans.
Correct. And also many of them have a bad case of Dunning-Kruger to begin with, so they don't think they need to improve or anything.

Edit: afaik that wasn't actually Snapesnogger, it was a troll.

Friends Are Evil
Oct 25, 2010

cats cats cats



The Saddest Rhino posted:

Well I'm just glad I never read Sabrina Online. 15 years, bloody hell. And it looks like his art never improved.

My favourite thing about Snapesnogger was her going to conceptart asking for crits. I mean, asking for praise. So she uploaded a picture of a pregnant snake woman with no nose breastfeeding two kids or something insipid. What a glorious trainwreck that was.

Making Snape pregnant and eradicating his nose all the time, not so much.
That thread is really worth reading. ConceptArt trainwrecks are the best trainwrecks.
"the snake part does NOT LOOK LUMPY!!!"

Friends Are Evil fucked around with this message at 08:01 on Jan 3, 2012

Rabbi Vole
Jul 19, 2003

muppet buttock

The Saddest Rhino posted:

Well I'm just glad I never read Sabrina Online. 15 years, bloody hell. And it looks like his art never improved.

My favourite thing about Snapesnogger was her going to conceptart asking for crits. I mean, asking for praise. So she uploaded a picture of a pregnant snake woman with no nose breastfeeding two kids or something insipid. What a glorious trainwreck that was.

Making Snape pregnant and eradicating his nose all the time, not so much.

If I'm not mistaken, she's now in the TF2 fandom and also drawing joke art of somebody's fursona being raped because said person had the audacity to post about being raped one time.

She's a classy person.

hallo spacedog
Apr 3, 2007

this chaos is killing me
💫🐕🔪😱😱

Friends Are Evil posted:

That thread is really worth reading. ConceptArt trainwrecks are the best trainwrecks.
"the snake part does NOT LOOK LUMPY!!!"

That thread will always be one of my favorite things in the history of the internet. The dramatic meltdown is glorious and never ceases to make me laugh.

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

Rabbi Vole posted:

If I'm not mistaken, she's now in the TF2 fandom and also drawing joke art of somebody's fursona being raped because said person had the audacity to post about being raped one time.
I'm sorry, I can't even process the rape-shaming because I'm picturing the noseless pregnant Heavy Weapons Nagas. oh god oh man oh god

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe
Doesn't the Sabrina Online person still use an Amiga like 17 years after they stopped being made?

lt_kennedy
Sep 2, 2007
Needs Moar Race

uglynoodles posted:

Snapesnogger? :haw:




Should have clarified that she was Australian, ah gently caress it, she went by 'vikingcarrot'

Party Spock
Feb 16, 2011

Everybody have a logical time
Whenever I read the word "naga" my brain always tries to replace it with "nigga" for some reason so reading about Snapesnogger is all kinds of weird.

Antivehicular posted:

To be fair, in the case OrangeKing mentions, it might just be a case of selective Facebook posting -- not to get too devil's-advocate-y, but I can see a situation where she's comfortable posting cosplay photos but considers photos from her everyday life too personal to post publicly. (Or maybe her everyday life just isn't photographically documented.)

This is a good point. I LARP about four or five times a year, but the majority of my Facebook photos are of me in costume, because I don't tend to get pictures taken at other times (I've never really got the whole "hey it's a social event, let's spend the whole time taking pictures of each other" thing, and anyway I tend to avoid cameras).

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Install Gentoo posted:

Doesn't the Sabrina Online person still use an Amiga like 17 years after they stopped being made?
There's been several compatible machines made since the official end of production and the AmigaOS's most recent update was only like two weeks ago. :colbert:

Count Chocula
Dec 25, 2011

WE HAVE TO CONTROL OUR ENVIRONMENT
IF YOU SEE ME POSTING OUTSIDE OF THE AUSPOL THREAD PLEASE TELL ME THAT I'M MISSED AND TO START POSTING AGAIN

Antivehicular posted:

To be fair, in the case OrangeKing mentions, it might just be a case of selective Facebook posting -- not to get too devil's-advocate-y, but I can see a situation where she's comfortable posting cosplay photos but considers photos from her everyday life too personal to post publicly. (Or maybe her everyday life just isn't photographically documented.) If her Facebook feed is mostly normal stuff, I'd be inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt, but if it's all about her every-weekend con schedule and her costuming, that kind of sets off warning bells.

Also, holy crap, Denise's Magical CD Player is amazing. On one hand, it's another sad example of her using her fantasy life to compensate for an unsatisfying reality, but on the other it's really compellingly odd. (Besides, like uglynoodles said, replacing a portable CD player wasn't exactly outside of her power.)

Unknown Armies artifact.

Stottie Kyek
Apr 26, 2008

fuckin egg in a bun

The Saddest Rhino posted:

I think I know that skunk/zebra/pornstar thing too, wasn't it an old furry comic way back in the 90s? I remember reading some webcomic review which pointed it out as one of the primary culprits for creating :lol: strong female characters :lol: by giving them a past full of rape, incest and nasty poo poo. That's why she grew up to be a nymphomaniac and bisexual and a pornstar! :downs:

I think there were at least two characters like that in Better Days as well. One was a hyena and one was a cat, there may have been more. My furry friend sent me a link to it a while ago. He's actually not a bad guy, he just, well, likes to pretend he's a panda sometimes when he's alone or on Skype with his long-distance girlfriend. It's bloody weird, but he doesn't go on about it in his everyday life or anything, so it's never been a big deal. Though I did think it was funny that he gets his rocks off by identifying as a species that's dying out because it never has sex.

Konstantin
Jun 20, 2005
And the Lord said, "Look, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do; nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.
Better Days is one of the worst webcomics out there. Before I read it, I never thought that you could be both a neoconservative and a furry, but the author pulls it off. Highlights include underage sex, incest, rape, characters getting on a soapbox to spout the author's political views, worship of the US Military, and hilarious jabs at liberals. Luckily I've never met any Republican furries in real life, but they must be the most conflicted individuals ever.

Ichabod Sexbeast
Dec 5, 2011

Giving 'em the old razzle-dazzle
My God.

This thread needs a new emoticon. A :stonk:, frozen in horror, as the camera zooms in on it's pupil to reveal that it is, in fact, another :stonk:, while violins are plucked.

Solefald
Jun 9, 2010

sleepy~capy


One of the worst things to happen as an artist is to wake up one day and suddenly realise your art always had been and always will be as bad as someone like Snapesnogger/Buckley. The weird thing is though that the mentality of "I don't need to improve" isn't there, I am constantly trying to improve myself but I just seem to be doing the same horrific poo poo over and over again.

I can't figure out if I am an artist trainwreck in denial or what and I wonder if these genuine trainwrecks ever go through this too and just decide to give up.

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GenericOverusedName
Nov 24, 2009

KUVA TEAM EPIC

Solefald posted:

One of the worst things to happen as an artist is to wake up one day and suddenly realise your art always had been and always will be as bad as someone like Snapesnogger/Buckley. The weird thing is though that the mentality of "I don't need to improve" isn't there, I am constantly trying to improve myself but I just seem to be doing the same horrific poo poo over and over again.

I can't figure out if I am an artist trainwreck in denial or what and I wonder if these genuine trainwrecks ever go through this too and just decide to give up.

You are self-aware. You are trying to improve yourself. That makes you countless magnitudes greater than any of those talentless hacks.

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