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hyper from Pixie Sticks
Sep 28, 2004

1) Stop play. Though you have just denied a clear goal scoring opportunity, so send yourself off.

2) Stop the game until they can stick a fiver in the meter.

3) Put the glasses on, shake his hand, and show the tv audience that you have a sense of humour. Then send a match report so scathing that he'll be banned from the touchline until October.

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Dudley
Feb 24, 2003

Tasty

Yep, that about covers it I think.

Mickolution
Oct 1, 2005

Ballers...I put numbers on the boards
Really straight forward again this week, can't see anything contentious in there at all.

foobardog
Apr 19, 2007

There, now I can tell when you're posting.

-- A friend :)
1. Sorry, stop play, it's just not safe. Mark this down in your report.
2. Sorry, stop play, it's just not safe. Mark this down in your report.
3. Sorry, be pissed, it's just not the game anymore. Mark this down in your report.

Giovanni_Sinclair
Apr 25, 2009

It was on this day that his greatest enemy defeated, the true lord of darkness arose. His name? MARIO.
1)Stop the play and punch the fan and give the away team a direct free kick or penalty kick depending on where the play was stop.
2)Stop the game and if it's not fixed within 10-15 mins call off the game and punch the stadium staff.
3)Take the glasses in good humor and write him up in the match report.

Sonic H
Dec 8, 2004

Me love you long time
1) The ref should send off the player nearest to him as per the rules of the single match of England vs Argentina in the 1966 World cup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52IBiS2iD9U

5:45 onwards.

2) Get some of these fuckers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvfmPT1EMLY

out and play on

3) Tell the oval office you already went to Specsavers.

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

1. Punch the fan in the face.
2. Wait a while for the floodlights to turn back on, if not abandon the match and punch the floodlight in the face.
3. Punch the manager in the face.

pik_d
Feb 24, 2006

follow the white dove





TRP Post of the Month October 2021
Keith Hackett's verdict

1) The fact that this is a clear scoring opportunity does make a difference. If the ball was in a neutral area of the pitch you would stop play immediately, prioritising player safety, and would restart with a dropped ball. But the Laws do allow you to play on "if the outside agent does not interfere with play" – so in these circumstances, it makes sense to wait for the chance to resolve itself. If he scores, restart with a kick-off. If not, stop the game. Daniel Cooper wins the shirt.

2) Playing on with a corner of the pitch in darkness really is not an option – there are broadcasters and a paying crowd who are entitled to be able to see the game. Take the players off and talk to the stadium manager. I was at a live TV game between Braga and Benfica when the floodlights failed three times in the first half. The referee dealt with it brilliantly and patiently – eventually bringing the game to a conclusion after 20 minutes of stoppage time. Thanks to Steve Dighton.

3) I would smile and escort him off the pitch – there's no need to cause a scene. But, as always, you need to apply the Laws: he had no right to enter the field of play and his action with the glasses was insulting – so report him to the authorities. Thanks to Johannah Carroll.

pik_d
Feb 24, 2006

follow the white dove





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1. red
2. goal
3. no

sweek0
May 22, 2006

Let me fall out the window
With confetti in my hair
Deal out jacks or better
On a blanket by the stairs
I'll tell you all my secrets
But I lie about my past
2. Wouldn't he be considered offside given that he was behind the goalline (and the ball) when the kick took place? Or is the rule you can't be offside from a corner no matter what?

pik_d
Feb 24, 2006

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Yeah you can't be offside from a corner.

euroboy
Mar 24, 2004

sweek0 posted:

2. Wouldn't he be considered offside given that he was behind the goalline (and the ball) when the kick took place? Or is the rule you can't be offside from a corner no matter what?

Same as throw-ins, you can't be offside.

Masonity
Dec 31, 2007

What, I wonder, does this hidden face of madness reveal of the makers? These K'Chain Che'Malle?
2) might have an element of unsportsmanship in it though.

Modus Trollens
Sep 12, 2010

I wouldn't allow that second goal

Mickolution
Oct 1, 2005

Ballers...I put numbers on the boards
I think you might have to come back on from the middle of the pitch? Anyway, wouldn't allow the second one.

Sonic H
Dec 8, 2004

Me love you long time
1) Crowd control isn't your job. Your job is to police the match. Red Card.
2) No. Not sure if it would be a retake or a goal kick, but it's definitely a yellow for unsportsmanship and/or entering without permission.
3) No. Rule is (I believe) the penalty has to be one smooth action. Running up twice is not one smooth action so the striker can gently caress off. Restart with GK (or is it a drop ball in this circumstance?)

Sonic H fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Jan 6, 2012

Dollas
Sep 16, 2007

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Clapping Larry
1. Red

2. If the ball is dead, he can enter from anywhere. Since he waited until ball was in play, he now has to enter from the touchline. Caution him, IDFK from the six.

3. Let him take the kick. Goal: caution, retake. No goal: caution, IDFK.

Thel
Apr 28, 2010

pik_d posted:



1: Red. Can't avoid it - maybe bring the player in-field a bit (or more toward the centreline?) to get him away from the fans before you issue him the red?

2: Yellow card, free-kick for the defending team.

3: Whistle it dead after he finishes his fake runup, free-kick to the defending team.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

1. Red, then abandon the game. gently caress the crowd if they can't behave themselves and want to act like a bunch of animals.
2. No goal, goal kick probably.
3. Let him kick the ball, but disallow it. Indirect free kick from within the box to the defending team.

Mickolution
Oct 1, 2005

Ballers...I put numbers on the boards
Might the first one be send him off, but don't show a card? I assume it's possible, if the ref doesn't want to incite fans.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
I'm sure the fans will be dumb enough to not notice a player leave the pitch without getting replaced

Mickolution
Oct 1, 2005

Ballers...I put numbers on the boards
Well those that do notice, might not all notice at the one time maybe?

Tsaedje
May 11, 2007

BRAWNY BUTTONS 4 LYFE
Maybe if the crowd was made up entirely of Chris Kamara clones?

The Mash
Feb 17, 2007

You have to say I can open my presents
1. Show him a yellow to avoid getting boo'd massively
2. Allow the goal but send the player off for enterering illegally
3. No, I take it myself. Top left corner. BAM

Masonity
Dec 31, 2007

What, I wonder, does this hidden face of madness reveal of the makers? These K'Chain Che'Malle?

Mickolution posted:

Might the first one be send him off, but don't show a card? I assume it's possible, if the ref doesn't want to incite fans.

It's the last minute of a derby. Call him over, explain the situation, tell him he's being sent off and will be reported as such in the match report, but in the interest of safety you won't be showing the red card. Then blow the whistle.

Report him as sent off.

Might not be "right" according to the LOAF, I don't know. It's certainly the correct thing to do though.

Thel
Apr 28, 2010

Masonity posted:

It's the last minute of a derby. Call him over, explain the situation, tell him he's being sent off and will be reported as such in the match report, but in the interest of safety you won't be showing the red card. Then blow the whistle.

Report him as sent off.

Might not be "right" according to the LOAF, I don't know. It's certainly the correct thing to do though.

Oh, you mean blow the whistle to end the game, thereby avoiding having thousands of rabid fans watching Mr Violent trek over to the showers?

SpaceGirlArt
Mar 29, 2008
1. a. Show a red card.
b. Join the riot.

Masonity
Dec 31, 2007

What, I wonder, does this hidden face of madness reveal of the makers? These K'Chain Che'Malle?

Thel posted:

Oh, you mean blow the whistle to end the game, thereby avoiding having thousands of rabid fans watching Mr Violent trek over to the showers?

Yeah.

"Mr Reckless, I;m sending you off. I'm also blowing for full time. I won't show the card, because hey! don't want a riot here!"

hhhmmm
Jan 1, 2006
...?
If the spectators at some point become a danger to themselves, the players or the police, abandon the match. The answer to number 1 is stop the game, send everybody home and send a scathing match report indicating why.

Masonity
Dec 31, 2007

What, I wonder, does this hidden face of madness reveal of the makers? These K'Chain Che'Malle?

hhhmmm posted:

If the spectators at some point become a danger to themselves, the players or the police, abandon the match. The answer to number 1 is stop the game, send everybody home and send a scathing match report indicating why.

Would you seriously abandon a game in the last minute of injury time? Why not just blow the whistle and call it a day?

hyper from Pixie Sticks
Sep 28, 2004

Masonity posted:

Would you seriously abandon a game in the last minute of injury time?
Absolutely. Watch the media and the clubs go apeshit, then point out in your report (and the inevitable personal hearing) that under the rules you had to abandon the game for reasons of safety. Anyone who then tries to censure you can be accused of disregarding the safety of fans.

Basically, if it would make you seem like an officious heel ref from the world of wrestling, then you should probably do it.

Giovanni_Sinclair
Apr 25, 2009

It was on this day that his greatest enemy defeated, the true lord of darkness arose. His name? MARIO.

pik_d posted:



1)Red card and then punch as many people in the riot that going to follow.
2)No goal and yellow for unsportsmanship
3)No goal since the kick has to be in one motion.

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

Was just thinking about this situation: Say there's a penalty shoot-out and a guy hits the post. He gets frustrated so he kicks the ball again and it flies into orbit. Is that a yellow card offence for time-wasting?

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

Vegetable posted:

Was just thinking about this situation: Say there's a penalty shoot-out and a guy hits the post. He gets frustrated so he kicks the ball again and it flies into orbit. Is that a yellow card offence for time-wasting?

I think it's a yellow under any circumstance to kick the ball out of play during a stoppage?

Sonic H
Dec 8, 2004

Me love you long time

Luigi Thirty posted:

I think it's a yellow under any circumstance to kick the ball out of play during a stoppage?

Yep - for dissent I believe.

Psybro
May 12, 2002

Thel posted:

1: Red. Can't avoid it - maybe bring the player in-field a bit (or more toward the centreline?) to get him away from the fans before you issue him the red?.

Yeah, I think stalling for time and getting away from that corner would be Ref 101 stuff.

Dollas
Sep 16, 2007

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Clapping Larry
Keith Hackett's verdict

1) You cannot let an intimidating atmosphere put you off applying the laws in a consistent and fair way. Show the courage of your convictions, trust the police and stewards, and send the captain off. If it provokes serious trouble in the crowd you have the option of abandoning the game. Either way, report everything that happened to the authorities.
Thanks to Mick Whyte.

2) He's trying to be clever, but he hasn't read the Laws. He is allowed to return to the field of play on your signal from any position – including from behind the goalline – when the ball is out of play. But when it's in play, he can only return from the touchline. So disallow the goal, caution the player for re-entering the field of play without permission, and re-start with an indirect free-kick from where the ball was when play was stopped. Christopher McQuade wins the shirt.

3) No. It's clearly unsporting behaviour: show him a yellow card, making it very clear that a penalty run-up needs to be one uninterrupted movement. Restart with the original penalty kick. Thanks to Jon Pople.


:smug:

sweek0
May 22, 2006

Let me fall out the window
With confetti in my hair
Deal out jacks or better
On a blanket by the stairs
I'll tell you all my secrets
But I lie about my past
If you trip and fall in the run-up to the penalty and don't touch the ball you're not allowed a re-take then, as it wouldn't be one fluid motion?

Mewcenary
Jan 9, 2004

sweek0 posted:

If you trip and fall in the run-up to the penalty and don't touch the ball you're not allowed a re-take then, as it wouldn't be one fluid motion?

If you've genuinely tripped and fallen then that's not unsporting behaviour, and therefore it can be taken 'again' as required.

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Bea Nanner
Oct 20, 2003

Je suis excité!
Well, from the verdict, unsporting behavior at the run-up just means a penalty retake. I guess this makes sense, because it's not like a free kick is given for dissent, or time wasting (right?). So while it sucks for the goalkeeper, I don't think the pentalty taker has done enough "wrong" to justify not taking the penalty.

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