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Octy posted:Next you'll be saying Daenerys' chapters are interesting to read. Only as inspiration for a vigorous session of  Although I like the general idea behind Dany being an incompetent teenage ruler, it's excruciating to read. On the other hand: "She was aroused by their arousal" is possibly one of the funniest sentences he ever wrote.
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IRQ posted:Technically there should be 3 more movies. Exactly. The X-Wings in the OT looked more realistic, because they WERE real, compared to the ADD lightshow of the prequels. I'd rather a sequel trilogy not be made, because the Expanded Universe has Kevin J Anderson and most of it blows. Edit: Disregarding the technical aspects of the films, even The Hero's Journey is more interesting that esoteric and inexplicable trade disputes. bigmcgaffney fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Jan 6, 2012 |
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bigmcgaffney posted:even The Hero's Journey is more interesting that esoteric and inexplicable trade disputes. Dammit I want someone to make a blockbuster about the passage of NAFTA. Al Gore literally curbstomping some union leaders in an epic ten-minute-long fight scene while Jean Chretien holds off the loggers.
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Jan 6, 2012 10:05
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whowhatwhere posted:He murdered an entire family in order to cut off the heads of their sons so that he could pretend that he had murdered Bran and Rickon. Thank God I'm not the only one who thinks this. There is no 'suffering enough' for murderers of Theon's calibre, and if Stannis is true to his principles Theon does deserve to die.
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I don't think suffering is in any way relevant to Theon's forgiveness. I don't think he deserves suffering, just that as a legal matter Theon has done nothing to expiate his murders. e: legal because Stannis is Judge Dredd. whowhatwhere fucked around with this message at 10:50 on Jan 6, 2012 |
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Jan 6, 2012 10:45
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whowhatwhere posted:I don't think suffering is in any way relevant to Theon's forgiveness. I don't think he deserves suffering, just that as a legal matter Theon has done nothing to expiate his murders. Except for regularly engaging in adultery.
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Jan 6, 2012 11:57
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whowhatwhere posted:Dammit I want someone to make a blockbuster about the passage of NAFTA. Al Gore literally curbstomping some union leaders in an epic ten-minute-long fight scene while Jean Chretien holds off the loggers.
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Jan 6, 2012 12:56
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Joramun posted:The Iron Bank's involvement is one of my favorite ongoing storylines (plus surprisingly accurate and relevant/insightful from an economics perspective, GRRM must have studied the field out of a personal interest), I can't wait to see where it's headed. They might even be the true victors (with some crony sock puppet on the throne) when all is said and done. He may have studied the Mediterranean states of the middle ages but I assure you no economics study went into this novel.
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Jan 6, 2012 14:39
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Neurosis posted:Except for regularly engaging in adultery. I think other characters were assuming he's plowing Melisande but I personally don't think he is until either he or she confirm it.
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Jan 6, 2012 15:11
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I think Melisandre said something about sharing his bed in one of her POVs. Or...someone said that. But it was never specifically stated they had sex.
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Jan 6, 2012 15:21
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whowhatwhere posted:And? They're still interesting to read.
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Dietrich posted:I think other characters were assuming he's plowing Melisande but I personally don't think he is until either he or she confirm it. She said her bed doesn't have much use since Stannis left. This may be some shadow magic going on which would expunge the stain from his record, of course. I thought the same when I first read it so you could be right.
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Jan 6, 2012 15:27
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Joramun posted:I disagree. Her chapters were the only ones in ADWD I didn't care for at all. Wasn't there only one?
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Jan 6, 2012 15:36
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Junkenstein posted:Wasn't there only one?
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Oh yeah, for some reason I thought the poisoning happened in Feast. I enjoyed them anyway. A training montage and an assassination. More fun than most of Tyrion and Dany's chapters.
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Joramun posted:The Iron Bank's involvement is one of my favorite ongoing storylines (plus surprisingly accurate and relevant/insightful from an economics perspective, GRRM must have studied the field out of a personal interest), I can't wait to see where it's headed. They might even be the true victors (with some crony sock puppet on the throne) when all is said and done. I agree that the Iron Bank is an interesting development, and considering how late it comes up, it really shows how there's just no way that Stannis has been destroyed yet. Also cmon Theon is gonna be sacrificed because Mel needs the blood of a king or what have you.
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my cat is norris posted:I think Melisandre said something about sharing his bed in one of her POVs. Or...someone said that. But it was never specifically stated they had sex. There is her giving birth to a shadow!Stannis in order to assassinate Renly/the Castellan. And she basically told Davos that sex was required to produce one. So it happened at least twice. Whether it continued to happen is debatable.  incomingAnyway, we're assuming that male infidelity is illegal, which it clearly isn't (at least for the nobility). Dishonorable, yes, but not illegal. Adultery is illegal (witness the punishment for Cersei and her children should the adultery be recognized, entirely apart from the incest), but adultery proper is sex by a married/betrothed woman with a man not her husband. Bastards, however, are common, and no male seems to be prosecuted for their production. So it seems that the double standard is actually legal, and not merely customary. So Stannis being Judge Dredd and also being unfaithful to his wife are not mutually exclusive.
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whowhatwhere posted:There is her giving birth to a shadow!Stannis in order to assassinate Renly/the Castellan. And she basically told Davos that sex was required to produce one. So it happened at least twice. Whether it continued to happen is debatable. whowhatwhere posted:So Stannis being Judge Dredd and also being unfaithful to his wife are not mutually exclusive.
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Jan 6, 2012 16:26
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Stannis is a giant douchebag who tried to sacrifice his own nephew for some poo poo Mel told him. He's no saint either.
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I used to like Stannis since I also have a very black-and-white sense of morality, but he compromises a lot for weak reasons then refuses to break his code for compelling reason. So gently caress him. Davos is one of the few out and out good characters, though. He will probably be perforated by the giant throbbing horn of a goat-unicorn.
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Jan 6, 2012 16:53
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Junkenstein posted:Oh yeah, for some reason I thought the poisoning happened in Feast. I enjoyed them in a vacuum, but in all seriousness there was no good reason why those chapters couldn't have been in AFfC and felt very perfunctory for all the fans waiting 6 years to find out if Arya was blind or not.
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Joramun posted:Maybe not legally, but psychologically it would still be quite the disconnect given how strung up he is about honor. But since we only learn about his personality and motivations from others as he is not a POV character, it's hard to tell whether he really feels any cognitive dissonance or not. He's strung up about duty and obligation. Honor is Ned's bag.
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I don't care how red hot you are I'm not touching any vaginas that produce murderous shadowmen with a ten foot lemon cake.
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whowhatwhere posted:
Cersei was punished by the church, who until she herself allowed them to become powerful, had functionally no ability to enforce their apparent dislike of adultery before that point. There doesn't seem to be any codified law or anything in Westeros anyway beyond "don't desert from the Wall."
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IRQ posted:There doesn't seem to be any codified law or anything in Westeros anyway beyond "don't desert from the Wall."
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Joramun posted:Guest right says hi. None of the Freys got their heads chopped off by a sanctioned entity or went to jail for flaunting guest right; everyone was just like "man, what a bunch of assholes those guys are" and made jokes about how dishonorable they were at their expense. That was more of a custom than a law. A better example would be that their justice system where they are required to allow a champion to fight for a prisoner to prove their innocence, if they request.
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Which in essence is just a really fancy way of codifying "might makes right"
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And every time the champion thing was invoked, it was agreed to by the person who held all the cards only because they were completely confident that it would go their way. If Lyssa had for even a second thought Tyrion could win in a fight/could find a champion at all she would have just tossed him out that door anyway.
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Sophia posted:None of the Freys got their heads chopped off by a sanctioned entity or went to jail for flaunting guest right; everyone was just like "man, what a bunch of assholes those guys are" and made jokes about how dishonorable they were at their expense. That was more of a custom than a law.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Which in essence is just a really fancy way of codifying "might makes right" I agree with this. There are lots of laws and guidelines in this world but time and time again if an individual who breaks them has enough force behind them they do not get consequenced. Kinslaying is probably the greatest offense there is in the eyes of the people. The punishment for any broken law seems to be based on either A) how much the person with the ability to hand out the sentence was effected by the act, or B) how the punishment may or may not benefit the future of the person handing out the consequence. I like that the church now has it's own muscle which can act as a new force that previously untouchable individuals will have to reckon with (i.e. Cersei)
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I don't care how red hot you are I'm not touching any vaginas that produce murderous shadowmen with a ten foot lemon cake. Lemon cake shadow queefs: The cake farts of Westeros?
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Giving the church teeth and a leader with balls was probably the funnest item to come out of AFFC. It has so much potential for screwing things up.
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lifts cats over head posted:I agree with this. There are lots of laws and guidelines in this world but time and time again if an individual who breaks them has enough force behind them they do not get consequenced. Almost like the laws and guidelines in the US! What a coincidence!
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Lenin Stimpy posted:Almost like the laws and guidelines in the US! What a coincidence!
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That's the law everywhere. If the offender has an army that can hold off law enforcement, they can get away with anything. We've seen laws against theft, murder, rape, treason, and many other common crimes enforced to various extents, but always depending on the capability of the enforcer as well as the actual law itself. Notice how the Freys are slowly starting to get their comeuppance as the war ends and relations normalize. Lord Manderly cooked two of them into pies and served them to Lord Bolton. I fully expect the nearly complete downfall of House Frey before the end of the series.
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Neurosis posted:Thank God I'm not the only one who thinks this. There is no 'suffering enough' for murderers of Theon's calibre, and if Stannis is true to his principles Theon does deserve to die. Oh man, enough with the underlined responses. While the latter two books have bought to light the suffering of The Common Peoples, never have we seen Stannis champion that cause. His duty obsession hasn't been about that at all, as far as I know. This is the king willing to burn a child to death in order to obtain some of that sweet sweet good god luck. I'd be so surprised if anyone gave a poo poo about the commoners Theon killed in place of Bran and Rickon.
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Ashrik posted:Oh man, enough with the underlined responses. While the latter two books have bought to light the suffering of The Common Peoples, never have we seen Stannis champion that cause. His duty obsession hasn't been about that at all, as far as I know. This is the king willing to burn a child to death in order to obtain some of that sweet sweet good god luck. I'd be so surprised if anyone gave a poo poo about the commoners Theon killed in place of Bran and Rickon. Last I checked Stannis was pretty unwilling to burn a child to death. In fact, he's spent the last two (three?) books not burning children.
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Octy posted:Last I checked Stannis was pretty unwilling to burn a child to death. In fact, he's spent the last two (three?) books not burning children. Except when he got lovely at Davos for spiriting away his brother's bastard because then that meant he couldn't burn the child. Basically, I think Stannis works on the logic of "Whatever works for Stannis". It's just that in his case, it's whatever needs to be done to fulfill his duty, rather than to satisfy his own personal gains (like Cersei, for example).
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Niccy Bones posted:Except when he got lovely at Davos for spiriting away his brother's bastard because then that meant he couldn't burn the child. So you're saying that Stannis isn't the most righteous king to grace Westeros? I know who's gonna burn tonight...
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