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LeftistMuslimObama posted:What are your opinions on close fights where the decision could go either way? Should judges score more 10-10s and allow fights to be draws, or is there another way to make the judging system work to make the decision more obviously match what fans see happening in the cage? I think as a whole judges should score some more rounds 10-10 but scoring and criteria they follow and who follows it in what way is the perfect example of beating a dead horse debate wise. Realistically the UFC won't give a poo poo too much. If Dana and co. Think a fighter deserved to win like the Machida Shogun I fight, they'll organise a re-match straight away and talk poo poo about the decision publicly. Alternatively where it was close like Machida / Rampage and it went one way, rather than do a re-match they'll kind of ignore the result of the fight, and give both fighters another match up in the same echelon of competition. If you look at how Machida got his title shot against Bones, apart from being one of the only LHW available it's not like he really "lost" to Rampage so coming off one win is acceptable. The UFC is more about selling tickets and it doesn't matter in their eyes what a fighters recent record is so long as they're bringing in the bacon. Nate Diaz before his fight with Gomi was 3-5 in his last 8 but all of his fights ruled. Same with Akiyama before the Belfort destruction. While I think it's important judges render the correct decision I think business wise it's better to have more close split decisions than it is to have draws. Reason being you can hype the loser as being "hungry to get back in the winner's column" and the winner as the winner. A draw is a let down for the crowd. It's a nothing moment. People booing or cheering for a decision one way or another is better than silence.
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Most judges are poo poo, and most judges will remain poo poo because in most states judging positions are given out at whim by the ACs largely via nepotism and nobody with the power to hold them accountable cares enough to do so. This is why arguing about judging criteria is largely futile.
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The scoring system should be like in figure skating, so like the judge rates how well he thought each fighter did that round from 1-10. This way you would get some real zany scores and it would be a fun time 
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look I don't get the whole prowrestling "thing" can someone explain it to me
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Paul Pot posted:its a great base for mma My understanding was that soccer is the best base for MMA.
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gimpsuitjones posted:look I don't get the whole prowrestling "thing" can someone explain it to me It's a combat sport without the combat edit: or sport
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gimpsuitjones posted:look I don't get the whole prowrestling "thing" can someone explain it to me It's like the jousting at a renaissance fair.
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gimpsuitjones posted:look I don't get the whole prowrestling "thing" can someone explain it to me It's soap opera for boys, with groin pulls and concussions.
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gimpsuitjones posted:look I don't get the whole prowrestling "thing" can someone explain it to me Just going to leave this here.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:My understanding was that soccer is the best base for MMA. it took brock 4 fights to become ufc champion
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Paul Pot posted:it took brock 4 fights to become ufc champion it took aldo 0
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Paul Pot posted:it took brock 4 fights to become ufc champion yes but he was defeated by not eating a vegetable, so clearly the best base for mma is being a grownup who eats real food
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:yes but he was defeated by not eating a vegetable, so clearly the best base for mma is being a grownup who eats real food That implies good judgement, which precludes one from becoming an MMA fighter.
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Is caffeine a banned substance in MMA?
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:Is caffeine a banned substance in MMA? Not as far as I know, in some sports it has to be below a certain limit, and it's a pretty massive limit at that, I've got a friend who competes in high level swimming and he can take 10 no doze tablets before he reaches the limit and he's only around 80kgs, so if it is banned it would only be to a certain point, and even then it's probably massively high. Why do you ask?
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BlindSite posted:Not as far as I know, in some sports it has to be below a certain limit, and it's a pretty massive limit at that, I've got a friend who competes in high level swimming and he can take 10 no doze tablets before he reaches the limit and he's only around 80kgs, so if it is banned it would only be to a certain point, and even then it's probably massively high. I dunno, I was just drinking some coffee and thinking "gee, this stuff makes me pee a lot and also gives me energy" and wondered to myself if fighters could use it to aid in weight-cutting or as a mild performance enhancer directly before a fight.
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Coker was on Inside MMA this week talking about the Cyborg thing and he said caffeine is a banned substance. Dunno which state(s?) he was referring to.
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MysteryNad posted:Coker was on Inside MMA this week talking about the Cyborg thing and he said caffeine is a banned substance. Dunno which state(s?) he was referring to. Doing some reading, it's actually banned in the olympics too, but I still have to wonder if it's at a certain limit.
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Caffeine gets filtered through your system in about 3 or 4 hours so it would be really hard to get caught for Pepsi abuse.
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Tezcatlipoca posted:Caffeine gets filtered through your system in about 3 or 4 hours so it would be really hard to get caught for Pepsi abuse. I was more imagining a fighter drinking an espresso immediately before the fight or something as a bit of a performance enhancer. I've heard of runners and other athletes using coffee to improve performance and wondered if MMA fighters do it. I thought MMA might be stricter about it since most of these rules seem arbitrarily set by Keith "Give me the pee" Kizer.
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Reminder that keith kizer is the man who said smoking weed made nick diaz impervious to pain
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It looks like at least in Nevada caffeine is most likely not banned but it's a bit confusing. They have a blanket ban on all stimulants, but they also say that they use the WADA list (anything on that list is banned by NSAC), and WADA specifically defines caffeine as fine in competition.quote:The following substances included in the 2012 Monitoring Program (bupropion, caffeine, nicotine, phenylephrine, phenylpropanolamine, pipradol, synephrine) are not considered as Prohibited Substances.
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Dangersim posted:Reminder that keith kizer is the man who said smoking weed made nick diaz impervious to pain That's not exactly what he said. I still don't understand why Kizer has become some drug Nazi to posters on here. He gave Overeem a month's lee way to provide the NSAC with the required test, and provided Lesnar an extra day or two as well.
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I looked it up it was tony alamo who said he thought it helped him win...my apologies
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MassRayPer posted:That's not exactly what he said. I tend to agree with this, he's yet to hand down a suspension that I would deem unfair. He's pretty lenient when leniency is required.
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He's an idiot who has absolutely no interest in enforcing anti-doping policies in his state. he's so far the opposite of being hard on the athletes its actually hosed up
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I don't think Kizer is in favor of leniency on doping or in favor of stringency on doping; he's just in favor of whatever involves him doing as little work as possible.
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fatherdog posted:I don't think Kizer is in favor of leniency on doping or in favor of stringency on doping; he's just in favor of whatever involves him doing as little work as possible. I would say he's in favor of what makes the state the most money.
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MassRayPer posted:I would say he's in favor of what makes the state the most money. Whatever he's in favor of he doesn't give a gently caress about safety or fairness
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Bundt Cake posted:Whatever he's in favor of he doesn't give a gently caress about safety or fairness Can't disagree with that.
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Bundt Cake posted:Whatever he's in favor of he doesn't give a gently caress about safety or fairness Can you elaborate I don't know too much about his history overall?
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BlindSite posted:Can you elaborate I don't know too much about his history overall? I'd have to actually research this more because the retardation of the California and Nevada state athletic commission is all together as one in my memory but Zach Arnold is a good source for this stuff and he beat this poo poo out of Kizer last week http://www.fightopinion.com/2011/12/14/keith-kizer-urine-blood-testing/
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Bundt Cake posted:I'd have to actually research this more because the retardation of the California and Nevada state athletic commission is all together as one in my memory but Zach Arnold is a good source for this stuff and he beat this poo poo out of Kizer last week http://www.fightopinion.com/2011/12/14/keith-kizer-urine-blood-testing/ "urine, a thing composed of non-proteins (which steroids frequently bind to) filtered from the blood and mixed with foreign liquids, is better to test than unfiltered blood" - a man whose job it is to do this poo poo
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Save Russian Jews posted:"urine, a thing composed of non-proteins (which steroids frequently bind to) filtered from the blood and mixed with foreign liquids, is better to test than unfiltered blood" - a man whose job it is to do this poo poo counterpoint: piss tests are much easier to cheat 
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So in Mir/Nog 2, why did Mir's kimura break Nog's arm instead of dislocating it from the shoulder? Does Nog suffer from osteoporosis as well?
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His arm broke before his shoulder popped, something has to go to relieve the pressure, if the arm hadnt gone then the shoulder would have
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Street Horrrsing posted:So in Mir/Nog 2, why did Mir's kimura break Nog's arm instead of dislocating it from the shoulder? Does Nog suffer from osteoporosis as well? I get pain in the part of my arm where his broke LONG before my shoulder even begins to hurt when I'm getting Kimura'd. Also, it should be noted that "the gracie hunter" Sakuraba broke arms in the same spot with the Kimura, Helio Gracie had his radius and ulna broken by the dude the move is named after. I could be wrong but I think it might have something to do with his joint flexibility? I'm flexible as all get out and I've never had it hurt my shoulder more my arm like the bone is going to break.
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So how did Muay Thai end up in Brazil anyway. It's from Thailand, right? Why do basically all Brazillian fighters seem to specialize in it?
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