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NosmoKing posted:So very English. Were they terribly unreliable though, that's a cornerstone of English engineering.
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Chantilly Say posted:Would anyone be interested in my posting excerpts from In Retrospect, McNamara's book on the failures in US foreign policy and military decisionmaking that led to our involvement in Vietnam? I'm reading it now and finding it an interesting read, and though there's not much "AIRPOWER" in it there is plenty of "Cold War." The airpower-related bits have to do with the decisionmaking on the use of strategic bombing. The failures in US foreign policy and military decision making that let to our involvement in Vietnam included "letting McNamara have any input in foreign policy and military decision making." I hope to God that man is spending eternity burning in hell.
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Boomerjinks posted:Thanks guys! I dont think you understood. You are a childish excuse for a human being; an attention-starved waste of flesh whose value as a person is so vastly negative that it defies accurate measure. If a man is to be judged by the character of his actions, you are fundamentally worse than about 95% of the populace. Your pursuit of reinforcement for your insignificant, goony cars is possibly the saddest thing I've seen on these forums in years, and its consistency and unending presence in abjectly unrelated situations would be worthy of pity if you weren't such an unlikable, contemptible creature. I wasnt kidding. You are a horrible stain of a person and no one would miss you if you disappeared; least of all these forums. Leave TFR now, but leave SA as a whole as fast as possible thereafter. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Gtab posted:Whether he deserves it or not, Helldump was closed for a reason.
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priznat posted:What the what?
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Oh no, he's been a giant piece of poo poo for waaaay longer than that.
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But this is the Cold War thread, not the internet slapfightery thread! GENTLEMEN YOU CAN'T FIGHT IN HERE, THIS IS THE WAR ROOM! 
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Gtab posted:I dont think you understood. You are a childish excuse for a human being; an attention-starved waste of flesh whose value as a person is so vastly negative that it defies accurate measure. If a man is to be judged by the character of his actions, you are fundamentally worse than about 95% of the populace. Your pursuit of reinforcement for your insignificant, goony cars is possibly the saddest thing I've seen on these forums in years, and its consistency and unending presence in abjectly unrelated situations would be worthy of pity if you weren't such an unlikable, contemptible creature. Give it to me straight, Gtab: Better or worse than Bob McNamara?
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Gtab posted:You are a horrible stain of a person and no one would miss you if you disappeared; least of all these forums. Leave TFR now, but leave SA as a whole as fast as possible thereafter. Oh come off it. You guys have been really great - you have the best North Korea thread on the loving planet, TFR goons helped me in a pinch when I needed to find M1s to give as wedding gifts, and this thread right here is probably my favorite thing on the boards next to the Aeronautical Insanity thread. Moving ahead, I posted this in the aeronautical thread and there seems to be some debate. quote:I've had this little guy sitting on my nerdy knickknack shelf for fifteen years. I got it at Oskosh '97, when my CAP squadron was given the opportunity to ride a Wyoming air guard C-130 to the fly-in. TFR is undoubtedly a greater knowledge base regarding munitions, you guys are really loving smart, I've been meaning to ask if you could me what it is?
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Boomerjinks posted:Oh come off it. You guys have been really great I'm aware that TFR is great. You are not. I'm sure you see the problem with that.
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Flikken posted:Looks like a practice round of some sort of cannon. lovely plastic ruler says 2.5cm. I don't have anything more precise at the moment.
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Boomerjinks posted:lovely plastic ruler says 2.5cm. I don't have anything more precise at the moment. Might be out of a 25mm Bushmaster from a M2/3 Bradley, or a 25mm round out of a GAU-12 from a Harrier/AC-130.
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Boomerjinks posted:Oh come off it. You guys have been really great - you have the best North Korea thread on the loving planet, TFR goons helped me in a pinch when I needed to find M1s to give as wedding gifts, and this thread right here is probably my favorite thing on the boards next to the Aeronautical Insanity thread. I don't know who you are but I want to point out that this isn't actually a response to what Gtab is saying.
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Chantilly Say posted:Would anyone be interested in my posting excerpts from In Retrospect, McNamara's book on the failures in US foreign policy and military decisionmaking that led to our involvement in Vietnam? I'm reading it now and finding it an interesting read, and though there's not much "AIRPOWER" in it there is plenty of "Cold War." The airpower-related bits have to do with the decisionmaking on the use of strategic bombing. In a similar vein, Fog of War is a great documentary that I think has been posted before. Link e- better quality Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Jan 11, 2012 |
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I enjoyed that doc a lot and found Mcnamara to be a sympathetic figure.
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The period dealing with WWII is especially telling of how he changed as he got older. You can tell he's really bothered by his role in it.
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priznat posted:I enjoyed that doc a lot and found Mcnamara to be a sympathetic figure. I found him still razor sharp as an old man, keenly aware of the fact that he was playing real, no-bullshit "If I make the wrong choices here, I could literally end the civilized world, perhaps within the next hour" politics. The part about Castro was chilling.
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priznat posted:Were they terribly unreliable though, that's a cornerstone of English engineering. My dad owned a BSA motorcycle. Beautiful, but a maintenance whore who barely ever worked right.
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Yeah he was a very smart dude, although some of his clever plans didn't translate as well into the real world as they looked on paper (TFX/F-111 for one - Interesting we're re-living that shitshow with the F-35 now!). The brits can either make gorgeous stuff that is tempermental as hell (Jaguars, MGs, Concorde (avec les francais)) or ugly as poo poo stuff that works great (London Cabs, Land Rover Defender, English Electric Lightning). The only well engineered good looking thing I can think of is the Supermarine Spitfire. priznat fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Jan 11, 2012 |
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Would there be interest, then? The book covers the period leading up to his appointment as SecDef all the way through his tenure in that office. As with any primary source the words of the writer must be taken in context but I feel he makes an honest effort to give fair treatment to the subject. Like the documentary (which I'm also making my way through, in segments) he is up-front and apologetic about his role in the conflict and the mistakes he made which worsened the situation.
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For sure! More interesting info is always good. Does it specify what he put on his hair to get that marvelous sheen? I'm guessing pomade.
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Gtab posted:Oh no, he's been a giant piece of poo poo for waaaay longer than that. Jesus gently caress gtab, calm down. He paid his  and been banned a gently caress of a lot less than you have.
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slidebite posted:Jesus gently caress gtab, calm down. He paid his
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slidebite posted:Jesus gently caress gtab, calm down. He paid his I agree, we need to tighten signup restrictions around here, or just ban idiots more.
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Gtab posted:I agree, we need to tighten signup restrictions around here, or just ban idiots more. I agree. Goodbye, gtab.
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Do you mean to say that instead of making a hundred thousand bad posts in one night we should have made a lesser number, or none, and have our posters cross the beaches of TFR and banned in the tens of thousands? Is that what you're proposing? Is that moral? Is that wise?
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Lincoln`s Wax posted:I agree. Goodbye, gtab. 
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Lincoln`s Wax posted:I agree. Goodbye, gtab. When you look too long into the abyss, you run the danger of falling into it
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atomicthumbs posted:When you look too long into the abyss, you run the danger of falling into it He who fights monsters~~~~~~~
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Apropos of nothing whatsoever here is a picture of an overrated plane that was canceled, leaving behind nothing but legions of fanboys who gaze upon its negligible impact and history with the desperate rose-tinted lenses of nostalgia.
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